> The Tories claim the figure demonstrates behavioural change caused by higher income tax rates in Scotland, although it is not clear why staff take decisions to live in England.
A great. So they’ve got the figures from before and after the new tax band announcements, as well as data showing these 280 people are actually affected by those bands?
I think the new tax plans are stupid. They raise almost nothing after behavioural changes, and just push the people who are already well off to lock more money away in long term investments pre-tax. However, this claim is nonsense, even for the Tories.
Pertinent detail: How many people who work for the Scottish government primarily reside in England?
There will absolutely be some folk ripping the piss but surely a non-zero number of them will legitimately be obliged to pay tax in England.
>Around 1.7% of those working for the Government reside in England, and pay taxes to the UK Government, figures show.
okay, that’s not a big %
And who are these people ? What government body do they work for ? where is their workplace ?
When house prices are so high in Edinburgh, why shouldn’t people commute by rail ? 45 minutes from Edinburgh to Berwick is not unreasonable for a daily commute, and the service is pretty frequent.
This all seems a pretty silly thing to make a political argument about.
Sometimes it can take a few months for the tax code to be updated if you move from England to Scotland. Also there is a transfer time, so you might not pay the new code until the next tax year.
It’s a good point to make, but of course the rules are set by HMRC rather than the SG itself.
And how many UK government staff taxes in Scotland?
And why does that mean anything?
1.7%. not seeing the issue.
How many recruited for remote posts and stayed put, or those on secondments from UK departments, or those on placement as part of UK wide development schemes. You’re not going to uplift your entire life if you don’t have to. Especially when the median civil servant salary is just over 30k. Then there’s the 14 people (or 5% of the total) who are based at the SG office in London https://www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-international-network-annual-report-2022-23/pages/4/
Also, What’s the problem, not like these people are eligible for the zero tuition fee , or universal prescriptions or whatever the additional taxes cover.
Rather a slippery slope for the country to restrict job opportunities based on residency for shared citizenship.
Just seems such a worthless point to make.
I mean, .if it was hundreds of senior civil servants (which there aren’t that many) on higher salaries all recently said , we’re packing up and moving to Berwick sure, I can maybe see the sense of interest.
It does not matter at all, we live in a new world where remote working is quite normal depending on the position you can live in Glasgow work for a London company, live in Aberdeen and work for an American company the most important thing is are they good at the job
Tax is based on residence not where your workplace is based. With the advent of home working it is very easy for people to live quite long distances from work. In SG office attendance once or twice a month is pretty common – making the occasional fairly lengthy commute quite easily doable.
I work in SG and have had multiple colleagues who are based in NE England – where taxes are lower and property cheaper.
Who fucking cares. We’re one nation.
Spotted that in 2019 (ie pre-pandemic , pre-working from home becoming a normal, regular occurrence) 118 out 10035 SG employees were resident in rUK, So 1%
That seems unremarkable given the move to remote working becoming more prevalent post pandemic, (UK wide going from 12% workers in 2019 working hybrid up to 22% in 2022, and from 5% up to 13% exclusive at home https://post.parliament.uk/research-briefings/post-pb-0049/ )
They are bashing people living in England working for the Scottish government. That doesn’t seem like its respecting the “unity” they cry they want between the countries.
Also the tories don’t seem bothered that hundreds of English residents couldn’t find employment in their own country and had to seek employment with a foreign government.
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> The Tories claim the figure demonstrates behavioural change caused by higher income tax rates in Scotland, although it is not clear why staff take decisions to live in England.
A great. So they’ve got the figures from before and after the new tax band announcements, as well as data showing these 280 people are actually affected by those bands?
I think the new tax plans are stupid. They raise almost nothing after behavioural changes, and just push the people who are already well off to lock more money away in long term investments pre-tax. However, this claim is nonsense, even for the Tories.
Pertinent detail: How many people who work for the Scottish government primarily reside in England?
There will absolutely be some folk ripping the piss but surely a non-zero number of them will legitimately be obliged to pay tax in England.
>Around 1.7% of those working for the Government reside in England, and pay taxes to the UK Government, figures show.
okay, that’s not a big %
And who are these people ? What government body do they work for ? where is their workplace ?
When house prices are so high in Edinburgh, why shouldn’t people commute by rail ? 45 minutes from Edinburgh to Berwick is not unreasonable for a daily commute, and the service is pretty frequent.
This all seems a pretty silly thing to make a political argument about.
Sometimes it can take a few months for the tax code to be updated if you move from England to Scotland. Also there is a transfer time, so you might not pay the new code until the next tax year.
It’s a good point to make, but of course the rules are set by HMRC rather than the SG itself.
And how many UK government staff taxes in Scotland?
And why does that mean anything?
1.7%. not seeing the issue.
How many recruited for remote posts and stayed put, or those on secondments from UK departments, or those on placement as part of UK wide development schemes. You’re not going to uplift your entire life if you don’t have to. Especially when the median civil servant salary is just over 30k. Then there’s the 14 people (or 5% of the total) who are based at the SG office in London
https://www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-international-network-annual-report-2022-23/pages/4/
Also, What’s the problem, not like these people are eligible for the zero tuition fee , or universal prescriptions or whatever the additional taxes cover.
Rather a slippery slope for the country to restrict job opportunities based on residency for shared citizenship.
Just seems such a worthless point to make.
I mean, .if it was hundreds of senior civil servants (which there aren’t that many) on higher salaries all recently said , we’re packing up and moving to Berwick sure, I can maybe see the sense of interest.
It does not matter at all, we live in a new world where remote working is quite normal depending on the position you can live in Glasgow work for a London company, live in Aberdeen and work for an American company the most important thing is are they good at the job
Tax is based on residence not where your workplace is based. With the advent of home working it is very easy for people to live quite long distances from work. In SG office attendance once or twice a month is pretty common – making the occasional fairly lengthy commute quite easily doable.
I work in SG and have had multiple colleagues who are based in NE England – where taxes are lower and property cheaper.
Who fucking cares. We’re one nation.
Spotted that in 2019 (ie pre-pandemic , pre-working from home becoming a normal, regular occurrence) 118 out 10035 SG employees were resident in rUK, So 1%
https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-201900008563/
So it’s increased by 0.7%
That seems unremarkable given the move to remote working becoming more prevalent post pandemic, (UK wide going from 12% workers in 2019 working hybrid up to 22% in 2022, and from 5% up to 13% exclusive at home https://post.parliament.uk/research-briefings/post-pb-0049/ )
They are bashing people living in England working for the Scottish government. That doesn’t seem like its respecting the “unity” they cry they want between the countries.
Also the tories don’t seem bothered that hundreds of English residents couldn’t find employment in their own country and had to seek employment with a foreign government.