UK nightlife and hospitality ‘teetering on brink’ of collapse as intervention urged

by tylerthe-theatre

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  1. >because of young people no longer being able to afford a night out

    Is that the reason? We keep being told that young people aren’t into binge drinking and they have apps for meeting people. Is it possibly the case that generic nightclubs just don’t fill a need for as many people as they used to.

  2. I personally think that Gen Z are the least social generation of people to have existed. This demographic grew up with text messaging, video calling and social media.

    Half of them don’t even want to talk on the phone – just want to send a text.

    I was born in the 80s and one of the best things about going on a night out was meeting new people and socialising with randoms. I just don’t think Gen Z care for it.

    In my home city all the nightclubs I used to go to in the 10s were packed every night of the week and now they’ve all been demolished. I think cost of living has something to do with it – but 18 year olds typically still live at home and have way more disposable income than older people.

  3. In 2011 most bars round here did 2-4-1 offers or a free shot with a drink type promotions. There were a couple of bars doing a weekly night where all bottles were £1 and it’s was always busy. The only offers I’ve seen lately is 2 cocktails (off a small list) for £12 between 7pm-10pm Sun to Thurs and another bar that does a 5 for a fiver but it’s shots and bottles that never sell that well, so it’s not popular.

    There was also more diverse music, we had a couple of indie/rock/emo bars, a 70s/80s bar, sometimes there would be live bands on midweek as well as at weekends and I remember that there was a bi-monthly country night somewhere (never went to it, but it was a popular one). now my local town is mainly dance or chart hits and karaoke.

    My bestie’s eldest son was 20 last week and he hardly ever goes out unless it’s a special occasion like a birthday. He says it’s too expensive (he gets an apprenticeship wage) and there’s nothing to get him in certain bars.

  4. Not all that surprising. Nightclubs, bars and pubs are toxic after a certain time in the day. No single thing is to blame, it’s just unfortunately there are so many factors which feed off each other that it’s slowly been killing off the industry.

    Take the experience of even going for starters, and remove the cost factor of drinks etc.

    The culture surrounding the nightlife experience is gross, almost as if everyone is charged and ready for a fight or to commit some type of crime, which explains why customers are treated with contempt before even entering the premises by the bouncers.

    Bouncers are part of the issue, prepared for a fight and will treat anyone entering on the assumption that they are scum, but then again given how bad punters are with and without alcohol you can hardly blame them, which are the second issue. You always hear of someone getting drugged, hit or beaten, or worse, whether it’s in the papers or through word of mouth.

    Nightlife just generally attracts the worst. Why go out to feel like something bad is going to happen when you can experience better times from the comfort of your home, at a restaurant, or any other controlled social experience? You can hardly blame younger generations.

  5. As a Gen z person most people I know just think nightclubs are a bit shit. Who wants to spend £100+ on a night out just to not remember anything and feel sick the next day.

    Just doesn’t seem appealing

  6. If people aren’t going to nightclubs, then what’s the harm in there just being one night club in every town instead of the uncountable number that there are now?

    I don’t mind giving out for a drink, but it’s really expensive and at best I get a cramped table to sit at and loud music that makes conversation near impossible.

    Most of the time, I’d rather pay less money and just have people over at my house. I can buy a bottle of vodka and some orange juice if I really want cocktails that badly

  7. Times are hard, so do as we did as kids. £2.50 bottle of Special Red, White Lightning or Old Deadly down the park in the sleet. Gen Z just aren’t willing to put in the hard miles of alcoholism nowadays. 😉

  8. some factors behind the decline of nightclubs among gen-z:

    ° rising costs and less disposable income

    ° gen-z more inclined towards meeting/interacting online

    ° media reports of spikings etc. contributing to gen-z feeling less safe

    ° gen-z reaching 18yo during/after covid when clubs were filled with far fewer people thus kind of ‘underwhelming’

    ° gen-z are seemingly less mature for their age than previous generations so the thought of being around men potentially 25yo+ can be intimating/off-putting

    source – 3 younger siblings aged 18, 20 and 21

  9. Obviously loss of jobs isn’t ideal, but a part of me has always been a little uncomfortable with the culture of binge drinking in this country. Maybe this has a silver lining if it means we’re not drinking so much.

  10. Why does it need intervention? If there’s no market for it, that’s capitalism.

  11. People don’t have any money.

    Intervention? How about paying people their true worth instead of poverty wages. Pricks.

  12. Maybe if a night out didn’t cost £100+ they’d do it more.

  13. Human Greed Crisis slaps everyone equally from the middle to the bottom.

  14. Priced themselves out of the market.

    Also, a lack of places in clubs where you can just chill without a lot of loud music.

    Here’s an idea, why don’t clubs run a transport service to get people home that’s safe and cheap.

  15. Speaking for Belfast, one of our problems is the complete lack of public transport after about 10pm. Even for me living minutes from the city centre, trying to get a taxi to come out my way is very difficult, and that’s just for going out to begin with earlier in the night. I manage with the bus going in but even that is unreliable here in the evenings.

    If I did find myself out late, say 1-2am, there’s no chance of me finding a free taxi, and no local buses either. This has definitely shifted my own habits when it comes to going out, in terms of what I do and where I go.

    And for those who live further out, taxis are even more extortionate. The same taxi that would have cost 20 quid back to my parents house when I was younger now costs at least 2 or 3 times that. That’s going maybe 10 miles out of town.

    People will say that it’s because younger people aren’t going out, but quite frankly I don’t blame them. They’re being pushed and pulled in all directions financially, and in our case here if you can’t find a safe route home at the end of the night, I don’t blame you for staying in.

    The combination of older taxi drivers either taking early retirement over Covid, or others having to move away because of Brexit, has decimated our taxis here. And by all accounts, the red tape required for it is impossible to navigate. One family controls our entire taxi network around Belfast now, so the prices just get hiked higher because there’s no competition.

  16. No shit.

    I’m in my mid 30’s with an alright paying job (high 40k). Same goes for my wife.

    We cannot justify the cost of getting bang on it every weekend.

    If I find a pint under a £5 I think that’s cheap now.

  17. Iv never been one for clubs when I was young. Was much more of a pub + gig sort of person.

    But now, I dont really drink. However I really want to support great local pubs and brewers in my area, but the economics of it just are not good. Even here in Yorkshire. Go to a good independent pub or such, your talking £6/7 per pint, sometimes more. Or I can go to Morrisons and get 3 good or great local beers for the same price and drink in the comfort of my own or a friends home. Without the cost of bus, waiting around to get into town etc

    I want pubs and local traditional brewing to survive otherwise all that’s going to be left is the massive mass producing brewers that i really don’t like. But im not sure how pubs and smaller brewers survive with costs and peoples bills being as they are.

  18. I can’t be arsed dodging coked-up bellends who think they’re hard, thanks.

  19. Requesting to binge drink from the government’s tit

  20. As a person in my 30’s, it’s very obvious why. It’s simple really. It’s expensive as shit. Even getting into a club is now around £20-25.

    At uni getting into most places was between £7-12 and pints were somewhere around £4 each, with many places offering deals like 2 beers for a fiver.

    Nowadays, after work drinks are no longer appealing knowing a pint can be between £6-8 and it’s going to cost £30-40 for a single round between 4-5 people.

    I can’t justify spending that amount of money for getting into a club and drinking alcohol.

  21. Hahahaha at some of these comments.

    Some may be a tad too young, but people need to ask why so many places were SHUT down, not closed down.

    Early 00s in Kingston like The Works and Oceana were great… Then there was a fight every night.. then the stabbings.. then before you know it, you’re going through airport style security just to get for a £7pint.

    People got fucked off with the “culture” shift before the prices.

    How many times did Fabric get shut over the years, largely because as a society we went to shit.

  22. I used to be able to go out with about £30 on a Saturday night, get pissed, get a pizza, taxi home.

    Nowadays £30 would barely last the first hour, people have been priced out by greedy companies who’ve finally pushed their prices too far.

  23. As others have said, its the overall ‘cost’ of a night out, both financial and physical, which people find unappealing now.

    Best approach has always been to load up at pre drinks to save money, then head to the club and only buy drinks to stay at a good level of drunk. If you had a good crowd, often the pres were more fun the club itself. So makes sense to cut out the latter and save money on entry fees, cabs to and from, or drink prices.

    Plus you hang out and chat to people you like, with your own music, and none of inevitable big blokes crashing into you and trying to start something. So way less pain, likely better sleep, cheaper… whats not to like?

  24. More raves required

    Play less Jess Glynn and more drum and bass and people will actually show up

  25. don’t worry i’ll be out next week.

    i’ll bring it back guys

  26. If your business model hinges on the fact that Britain has an epidemic of binge drinking then you need to rethink your business.

  27. I’d love to go out more. But the cost is simply not worth it unless it’s been a long time or for a special occasion. No point spunking £100 for a few hours when I can get high at home for basically free.

  28. That’s capitalism baby, no free handouts for those money laundering snakes.

    Worked in clubs for years and most of the profits are not put through the books.

  29. I have a theory that gen z don’t go out as much because every little cringe thing they do gets put onto Snapchat.

  30. 20 years ago so many places did drinks for like £1 – 2 and you could share a taxi home after a kebab that was £3. Times change, unfortunately.

  31. Direct intervention is dumb. If the industry is out of fashion, let it die.

    If the younger generations (basically those under 40, honestly) don’t typically want to engage in that type of night life, support them in making places, spaces, and activities they do want to engage with.

    You can keep that industry on life support or you can help build something new that can sustain itself.

  32. The last time that I went to a nightclub was before COVID-19. When totalling up entry, drinks, taxi etc, the night cost me £150. For that, I got a night in dark and dinghy club with loud music that made me partially lose my hearing for 3 days. Just like every other club I have ever been too since I was 16, except paying through the nose for it.

    I have no doubt there are good clubs, and there are people that like this kind of thing. But its a bit rich to complain that the government should be helping (translation: give tax breaks) when the service you provide is largely rubbish and expensive.

  33. Pay people more money and they’ll have the funds to spend on leisure activities. It’s not fucking rocket science.

    If people are struggling to afford necessities they’re not going to splash out on luxuries.

    I’m willing to bet that most of the cunts running pubs and clubs pay their staff minimum wage.

  34. I think I am a ‘late millennial’ (I don’t take the generational labels too seriously), and I did a bit of clubbing at University but personally never enjoyed it. The only interest I had in it was the potential to meet women (I was optimistic once).

    The music was rarely to my taste, the places where dingy and sticky, they stank of sweat after a time and the drinks were expensive even back then. I’m not surprised that they are declining in popularity.

    Always preferred a bar, where I could drink in greater comfort, and enjoy some conversation where I didn’t have to invite the other person to yell into my ear.

    I hope there continues to be venues for those who love the experience, but I think people are more willing nowadays to pursue experiences they actually want. Tabletop roleplaying seems to be more popular than ever, for instance. And I’m sure other alternative social activities have sprung up.

  35. Not surprised when every venue has shite music expensive drinks, cheaper and much better to go to a rave.

  36. One of the most popular breweries (and associated bars) in Leeds is about to enter administration, even though their bars are rammed every weekend (and most evenings)

    It’s absolutely bizarre the amount of places that have gone under recently despite being very very popular

  37. Im gen z and I, and all my friends work a part time job on top of our 9-5. There is no time or energy, or money left after the 60 hour week.

    A drinks an hours wage. Rents half the income.

  38. Why should our tax’s go to propping up unpopular businesses? Let them fail. This is a capitalism after all. If a business isn’t filling a need anymore, they either need to improve, innovate or shut down.

  39. Obviously nightclubs are dying – Local councils have been trying to kill them off for the last 30 years. I suspect they’ll miss the cash cow when it’s gone, but councils have never been that forward thinking.

  40. This is mainly down to the cost.

    Massive nightlife venues such as Drumsheds and Warehouse Project will sell out events to thousands of people multiple times a year and you don’t mind paying for drinks as you have good artists playing. Who the heck is going to spend 10 pounds on single spirits at Revs when we are being fully stretched financially with all our bills.

    I used to go out for food and drinks multiple times per week, cant afford this now with static pay massive increases in council tax, rent, service charge, phone, internet, water, gas, electricity.

    I now save money for holidays and big music events.

    Brits will always love a night out but push them
    to their financial limits and it is the first thing that is sacrificed.

    Why they are calling for government help when the situation is never going to improve.

  41. Inevitable following the lack of initially and then delay of support for the industry during the pandemic alongside the continual springing-up of super-clubs like Drumsheds alongside Mayfield in Manchester.

  42. Yep already 1 huge nightclub in Birmingham has entered administration

  43. I remember going to Wigan pier in my early 20s quite regularly, couldn’t think of anything worse now, definitely a young persons game, but with rent so high, and general cost of living I’m not surprised why the younger ones don’t bother.

  44. You must be joking. Leeds town centre is fucking packed all weekend, £5-£10 a pint depending where you go, they’re raking it in.

  45. I just don’t see the appeal of going out and hanging out with a bunch of drunk people just to get drunk myself and feel like shit the next morning. I only ever got properly drunk once and it was shit. I much prefer to stay in and have a glass of whiskey or brandy while doing some gaming. Personally, I think that the death of the destructive drinking culture is well deserved.

  46. Meh, I wouldn’t shed a tear.

    I used to go to lots of night clubs when I was younger. I hated them. Disgusting, overpriced, overcrowded, smelly drug dens is what they are in my opinion.

    Why I went? Well there were women there. Lots of women. If the women were congregating in the sewers I would’ve gone down there too.

    Never did understand why would anybody other than a straight single male go to a nightclub. Gay men are basically 3 texts away from a hook-up and so are women.

    I guess women go for the free drinks?

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