I find it literally impossible to read this map… Is it just me?
Jabal Shammar mentioned!
Obviously this blue part here is the land
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So except for Balkans which are a part of Europe, why is this on r/europe?
Not enough shades of red.
Crazy that even then the Ottoman empire was far bigger than the Byzantine Empire ever was even at its peak
Seems more like the sick man of middle east-ish. Wasn’t Germany the sick man of Europe? Or were there different sick men of Europe throughout time? A bit like dr Who?
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Wasn’t Nejd a nominal vassal too?
Shouldve propped them up it’s only gone downhill in that area of the world ever since
No doctors?
Net negative empire.
The relative stability the Ottoman rule brought to the Balkans, North Africa and the Middle East at the height of its power is known as “Pax Ottomana”, or Ottoman Peace.
Once the stabilizing effect of the Ottomans were removed, the entire region went down to the shit. No thanks in large part to Britain, France and the US either.
That’s sick
Without the British bailing them out they would have collapse far earlier.
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You should’ve used something else than shades of red
But except that I like this map 👍
On the plus side the Russian Empire had a lot of fun dealing with that.
On the other hand everyone else didn’t…..
*its
When half that ’empire’ is directly administered by Britain… The map is not the full story.
🇹🇷
If they had kept the empire together they would be a top superpower.
Just look at all the oilfields camps under their direct control or influence.
how come ottomans failed to conquer greece or arabia?
Ionian sea took a little walk?
In your wildest dreams
Current Iraq İran border is exact same border.
Real Empires tend to leave something other than a trail of destruction.
Vicky 3!
A Turkish guy wrote a book that the core Turks of the Empire is an illusive concept. For one thing they weren’t singled out by census. The records show only “Muslims”, but no Turks or Arabs. In short Turks are Turkish speaking Ottomans. The original Seljuks got mixed with the general population of the Empire
Do note this map exaggerates control from the Ottoman perspective. While technically correct that the Ottomans had vilayets in Romania, by this point the state was fully independent and if anything Russian oriented. Meanwhile the Senussi, while closely cooperating with the Ottoman state, were certainly not vassals, I don’t even see this perspective in contemporary Ottoman maps. Showing the Senussi with a shade of red falsely implies Ottoman control that did not exist
Ottomans lost their demographic advantage against Europe.
They didnt have the population surplus to keep the empire strong while Europe had a baby boom in the early 1900s.
For Fucking 500 years.
I wonder how many years will the US be the most powerful country
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Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Eastern_Crisis#/media/File:Ottomans_1875.png
I find it literally impossible to read this map… Is it just me?
Jabal Shammar mentioned!
Obviously this blue part here is the land
[deleted]
[deleted]
So except for Balkans which are a part of Europe, why is this on r/europe?
Not enough shades of red.
Crazy that even then the Ottoman empire was far bigger than the Byzantine Empire ever was even at its peak
Seems more like the sick man of middle east-ish. Wasn’t Germany the sick man of Europe? Or were there different sick men of Europe throughout time? A bit like dr Who?
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Wasn’t Nejd a nominal vassal too?
Shouldve propped them up it’s only gone downhill in that area of the world ever since
No doctors?
Net negative empire.
The relative stability the Ottoman rule brought to the Balkans, North Africa and the Middle East at the height of its power is known as “Pax Ottomana”, or Ottoman Peace.
Once the stabilizing effect of the Ottomans were removed, the entire region went down to the shit. No thanks in large part to Britain, France and the US either.
That’s sick
Without the British bailing them out they would have collapse far earlier.
[deleted]
You should’ve used something else than shades of red
But except that I like this map 👍
On the plus side the Russian Empire had a lot of fun dealing with that.
On the other hand everyone else didn’t…..
*its
When half that ’empire’ is directly administered by Britain… The map is not the full story.
🇹🇷
If they had kept the empire together they would be a top superpower.
Just look at all the oilfields camps under their direct control or influence.
how come ottomans failed to conquer greece or arabia?
Ionian sea took a little walk?
In your wildest dreams
Current Iraq İran border is exact same border.
Real Empires tend to leave something other than a trail of destruction.
Vicky 3!
A Turkish guy wrote a book that the core Turks of the Empire is an illusive concept. For one thing they weren’t singled out by census. The records show only “Muslims”, but no Turks or Arabs. In short Turks are Turkish speaking Ottomans. The original Seljuks got mixed with the general population of the Empire
Do note this map exaggerates control from the Ottoman perspective. While technically correct that the Ottomans had vilayets in Romania, by this point the state was fully independent and if anything Russian oriented. Meanwhile the Senussi, while closely cooperating with the Ottoman state, were certainly not vassals, I don’t even see this perspective in contemporary Ottoman maps. Showing the Senussi with a shade of red falsely implies Ottoman control that did not exist
Ottomans lost their demographic advantage against Europe.
They didnt have the population surplus to keep the empire strong while Europe had a baby boom in the early 1900s.
For Fucking 500 years.
I wonder how many years will the US be the most powerful country