USA schätzen, dass weniger als ein Drittel der Hamas-Truppen im Krieg getötet wurden, heißt es in einem Bericht

by inntaxapt

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  1. Jesus, that is catastrophic. I’m not sure if the headline is trying to minimize that, or if this just does not translate well to traditional military conflict.

  4. Tell me you haven’t served in the military without saying you havent served in the military.

    Units become combat ineffective very quickly after loosing 10-30% of their force.

  6. Well its been 3 months. US needed 6 years to destroy ISIS. If this war ends this year I’d say it’s better than I expected

  7. Hamas is not an army, they dress in civilian clothing and fight then blend back into the crowds and there families, how could you eradicate something like that.

  8. This seems to only tell some of the picture.

    30% of hamas militants gone.

    Presumably >50% eliminated or injured

    What percent of their military infrastructure has been destroyed? Suspect 80%

    What percent of their tunnel infrastructure has been destroyed?

  9. So they’re getting their asses handed to them. How is this being spun as a failure?

  10. Who signed off on the headline? Losing 1/3 of your combat force is a total loss for a conventional army and still devastating for an insurgent group. They aren’t broken yet, but those numbers are getting close. 9000 KIA, 1000 killed on 7/10, another 1500 captured is massive againt a fighting force of 40k (hamas and PIJ) *and* importantly acts as independent confirmation of Israel’s combat statistics. No shit eliminating 40k enemy combatants from 500 miles of underground fortress takes more than 3 months, there’s a reason Israel said from the start this is likely a full year operation.

  12. The fact that the report claims they are still combat effective is much more worrisome then the actual number.

    I think the main reason is that the hostages are still holding Israel back and their need to pivot the conflict from high intensity to more long term low intensity.

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    Rooting out Hamas was always going to being ineffective and a long term project. Even after there is new security perimeter and some semblance of normalcy returns Gaza, Israel will be hunting and killing its leadership for years to come, both in Gaza and frankly in the wider world.

  13. For a force like Hamas those numbers are easily replaced, they are not a conventional military. No military solution to Hamas exists outside of full blown occupation and ethnic cleansing because the younger kids will simply grow up to do the same thing like what happened in Afghanistan.

    Hamas views this as the existential war they’ve been preparing for so they won’t surrender and Israel is controlled by opportunists and extremists who want to perform said ethnic cleansing. No peace as long as both of these factions remain in power.

    For America’s part since I’ve ignored them, Biden needs to stop going out of his way to protect Netanyahu, there’s been many reports of how Biden has long since held a very strong stance towards Israel and its now showing up at the worst possible time as he’s protecting someone who is more than willing to drag the US into a quagmire war to protect his own power.

  14. This is both good and bad.
    Good in that in general, a fighting force tends to lose its capacity to effectively fight once it crosses the 30% threshold.
    Bad in that in reality, these losses are specific to specific Hamas battalions. The Battalions in North Gaza are largely ,well, dead.Aside from stragglers in Beit Lahaya, North Gaza is largely clear of Hamas terrorists. All except one battalion in Gaza city are also mostly dead. There is still some work to be done in parts of Gaza city because the Al Furkhan battalion is still a bit active. The rest are now mostly stragglers, dispersed or dead.
    However, those in Central Gaza retain the ability to fight(and the IDF has not gotten over the shock of how large the scale of Hamas’s rocket production and tunnels is in Central Gaza) and the three battalions in Rafah have largely remained untouched except for select assassinations.

    What the IDF needs to do is to raise this past 50% and ensure that all battalions are at least degraded. They are actually degrading the 5 battalions in Khan Younis to the point of combat ineffectiveness but that will take at least another 2 months.
    I honestly do not know what will be done to the ones in Rafah, though to be honest, population density is the main barrier. Compared to other batallions, they are severely under resourced, even lacking the rocket firepower those in Gaza city, North Gaza and Central Gaza have/had. The problem is that they now have a million human shields there.

  15. US pulls figures from out their rear end.

    Love to see their estimate of dead in Gaza especially since they conveniently said the Palestinian Health Authority is now inaccurate

  16. Makes sense.

    But they are concentrated in a smaller area now.

  17. And all it took was the lives of tens of thousands of civilians!

  18. Can we get an estimate on the number of civilians killed as well to get to that figure

  19. How do they know. These terrorists don’t wear uniforms and blend in and out of the civilian population.

  20. So the IDF just killed a lot of civilians for not much at all.

  22. Its hard to say that when Hamas will simply walk around unarmed looking like civilians right up until they get to a location with stored/hidden weapons and they will suddenly ambush then leave the weapons and walk out amongst the civilians and the IDF cant tell who’s Hamas and who’s really a noncombatant.

    [This video touches](https://youtu.be/qugcwfq6JOM?si=yynV71V8Tpz3oJxf) on why its hard to count/tell civilians vs Hamas apart. Clear accurate numbers aren’t really possible due to the type of warfare going on. Around the 7min mark.

  23. IDF is straight up carpet bombing and that’s only 30%. At this point civilian casualties will be more than 30% if that’s not the case already.

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