>The speech went almost unnoticed, overshadowed by the strike in schools. On Thursday evening, January 13, Emmanuel Macron spoke at the closing ceremony of the Conference of University Presidents (CPU) – renamed “France Universities” for the occasion.
This is going to be the main reason why Macron is going to lose the elections.
That’s the kind of plan you should announce AFTER the election.
They tried charging for public universities a few years back in Germany and that did not go well.
That will give France a leading edge over neighbors for sure/s. What the fuck does he expect to happen as a result minding the free education in eu? Nice move mate, public will appreciate your efforts and will let know during elections.
What would be the reason to end free university tuition? Are there too many academically educated people in France?
Framerica.
LOL. I studied Medicine, in Paris, in the 80’s, as an American, FOR FREE.
In my second year (I think), the Govt raised the ‘registration fee’ (which was something like $50 at the time) to $75 or something. I laughed and said, “so what”? The next day, 20,000 students went on strike. Within a few days, the Govt backed down.
Taking away free higher education in France will never happen. It is an ingrained right. There is already classism/elitism and inequity between the “Grandes Écoles” and the Public Universities. I can’t imagine anything more being tolerated.
Meanwhile, we, in the USA, only dream of and strive to achieve the ideal of universal, (if desired), (free) higher education.
There are trends and models for free university education. Finland, Norway and Germany are examples
It’s been more or less a success in the UK. Unis receive more funding per student and it has narrowed the enrolment gap between people from advantaged backgrounds and disadvantaged backgrounds.
Not the sort of thing that wins elections though.
I just can’t wrap my head around why would someone state this when elections are just around the corner? I highly doubt he is not aware of the fact that this is an unpopular view.
Great idea before the election (stupid altogether), but why not announce that you want the 60 h week back? No more minimum wage? Common dude, how badly do you want to lose?
They could change it to count for only the first course. If someone chooses to drop out because “they don’t feel like it”, they have to pay for it themselves
Riots en trois, deux, une
Here comes another protest…
Oh fuck off
Good way to win votes that
free universities is subsidize the rich
On one hand I understand because that’s extremely expensive for the state but on the other hand people are paying high taxes in France and 100% deserve it. Perhaps he should cut expenses in other areas?
Amazing how the mods haven’t cross-checked this information, because this is an incredibly misleading title
This is what it means being “Jupiterian”
Does he want to lose next election or what
We have this currently in the Netherlands and are now bringing it back. No more loans to go to University.
It burdens our young people with 50-80 k€ in debt before they even begin and it is not cheaper.
Well fuck you, Macron. Do you want American-style debt? That’s how you get American-style debt.
Wait, french university tuition is free?
Gotta increase that military budget because of Russia, lol.
Also, unless your degree is for a field where employment is assured, don’t do it. The mistake a lot of American students make is doing too well, getting into a good school where you get weeded out from top programs like engineering and medicine and majoring in liberal arts. Big schools are also very corrupt too. Parker has the hookup with professors and graduate assistants that know his family and went to his high school…
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money to spend.
Surely out of the 20+ people this sort of idea had to go through before releasing it out into the public months before an election whereby you need the educated and young vote, one of them would have had the foresight to go ‘Non’.
Either that or it’s some bizarre appeal to the less educated voters who are more likely to vote for the likes of Le Pen that is only going to alienate an important voter group?
Look to the UK for example, ask Nick Clegg how people felt about messing with Tuition fees.
I’ll go against the grain and say this could be good, if implemented properly. Remove free tuition for pointless social studies courses but maintain it for the STEM subjects, and pour that savings from social studies into the STEM subjects.
Gender studies and all that bollocks should absolutely not be free. It shouldn’t even give you an entitlement to a student loan in the U.K., they should be entirely self funded, not tax payer. But the STEM subjects should be actively encouraged and supported, with full monetary support for anybody who wishes to get into them.
If anyone more familiar with French politics can answer – is there any financial hole that needs plugging? ‘Cuz it looks like they’re trying to redirect finances from point A to point B.
What an ass. He needs to be thrown out of office
Wonder if /r/europe will call Macron based this time…
For the love of fuck, don’t do this. California did it in the 70’s and now entire generations are saddled with debt. It’ll start off “reasonable” and then any time there’s a budget crisis they’ll say their hand was forced to cut even mire budget which raises the tuition. Thats how you end up with tuition costing $20,000 per year.
Shouldn’t French decision about attempting to reduce the 50% drop of first year students (a student cost 10k€/year) be kept private from europeans ?
I’m sorry but we really don’t care about what you would think, in fact you seems to know so little that the first thing you want to say is that we want to privatize education. Really ? With a man who fell in love with his teacher ? Who loves litterature, education (check out the culture pass given to every 18 years old people) ?
You really expect us, French people, to accept that 50% of the money invested in the first year students is wasted, and that we shouldn’t try to change this ?
Of course we won’t have the same education system as the US, and it’s in the ambition of the president to redirect people into more “manual/labor” work and less putting people in universities until they know what they want.
People keep bragging about Macron’s bad effect on the election but he said himself that he doesn’t take action to be reelected, he doesn’t care that much. Perhaps keeping in mind the good actions he took would also help people have a constructive opinion instead of keeping saying “fuck off macron you’re bad lol”
I swear everytime I see Macron on the news it’s some stupid shit he says/he proposes, it’s like he’s trying so hard to not get reelected.
What a terrible idea. Instead of a proper reform, let’s make it easier for the rich to get an education and make it harder for the poor! That will surely solve all the problems!
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>The speech went almost unnoticed, overshadowed by the strike in schools. On Thursday evening, January 13, Emmanuel Macron spoke at the closing ceremony of the Conference of University Presidents (CPU) – renamed “France Universities” for the occasion.
This is going to be the main reason why Macron is going to lose the elections.
That’s the kind of plan you should announce AFTER the election.
They tried charging for public universities a few years back in Germany and that did not go well.
That will give France a leading edge over neighbors for sure/s. What the fuck does he expect to happen as a result minding the free education in eu? Nice move mate, public will appreciate your efforts and will let know during elections.
What would be the reason to end free university tuition? Are there too many academically educated people in France?
Framerica.
LOL. I studied Medicine, in Paris, in the 80’s, as an American, FOR FREE.
In my second year (I think), the Govt raised the ‘registration fee’ (which was something like $50 at the time) to $75 or something. I laughed and said, “so what”? The next day, 20,000 students went on strike. Within a few days, the Govt backed down.
Taking away free higher education in France will never happen. It is an ingrained right. There is already classism/elitism and inequity between the “Grandes Écoles” and the Public Universities. I can’t imagine anything more being tolerated.
Meanwhile, we, in the USA, only dream of and strive to achieve the ideal of universal, (if desired), (free) higher education.
There are trends and models for free university education. Finland, Norway and Germany are examples
https://www.mastersportal.com/articles/1042/tuition-free-universities-in-finland-norway-and-germany-in-2022.html
The speech is a avalible here :
https://www.elysee.fr/emmanuel-macron/2022/01/13/discours-du-president-emmanuel-macron-a-loccasion-de-la-cloture-du-50eme-anniversaire-du-congres-de-la-conference-des-presidents-duniversites
Google translate
https://www-elysee-fr.translate.goog/emmanuel-macron/2022/01/13/discours-du-president-emmanuel-macron-a-loccasion-de-la-cloture-du-50eme-anniversaire-du-congres-de-la-conference-des-presidents-duniversites?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Has he tried raising fuel prices instead?
Sounds like a very stupid idea.
It’s been more or less a success in the UK. Unis receive more funding per student and it has narrowed the enrolment gap between people from advantaged backgrounds and disadvantaged backgrounds.
Not the sort of thing that wins elections though.
I just can’t wrap my head around why would someone state this when elections are just around the corner? I highly doubt he is not aware of the fact that this is an unpopular view.
Great idea before the election (stupid altogether), but why not announce that you want the 60 h week back? No more minimum wage? Common dude, how badly do you want to lose?
They could change it to count for only the first course. If someone chooses to drop out because “they don’t feel like it”, they have to pay for it themselves
Riots en trois, deux, une
Here comes another protest…
Oh fuck off
Good way to win votes that
free universities is subsidize the rich
On one hand I understand because that’s extremely expensive for the state but on the other hand people are paying high taxes in France and 100% deserve it. Perhaps he should cut expenses in other areas?
Amazing how the mods haven’t cross-checked this information, because this is an incredibly misleading title
This is what it means being “Jupiterian”
Does he want to lose next election or what
We have this currently in the Netherlands and are now bringing it back. No more loans to go to University.
It burdens our young people with 50-80 k€ in debt before they even begin and it is not cheaper.
Well fuck you, Macron. Do you want American-style debt? That’s how you get American-style debt.
Wait, french university tuition is free?
Gotta increase that military budget because of Russia, lol.
Also, unless your degree is for a field where employment is assured, don’t do it. The mistake a lot of American students make is doing too well, getting into a good school where you get weeded out from top programs like engineering and medicine and majoring in liberal arts. Big schools are also very corrupt too. Parker has the hookup with professors and graduate assistants that know his family and went to his high school…
I feel a good ol’ French demonstration coming
[Is it May already?](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/05/06/world/europe/06Paris68May1/xxParis68May-slide-G91R-superJumbo.jpg)
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money to spend.
Surely out of the 20+ people this sort of idea had to go through before releasing it out into the public months before an election whereby you need the educated and young vote, one of them would have had the foresight to go ‘Non’.
Either that or it’s some bizarre appeal to the less educated voters who are more likely to vote for the likes of Le Pen that is only going to alienate an important voter group?
Look to the UK for example, ask Nick Clegg how people felt about messing with Tuition fees.
I’ll go against the grain and say this could be good, if implemented properly. Remove free tuition for pointless social studies courses but maintain it for the STEM subjects, and pour that savings from social studies into the STEM subjects.
Gender studies and all that bollocks should absolutely not be free. It shouldn’t even give you an entitlement to a student loan in the U.K., they should be entirely self funded, not tax payer. But the STEM subjects should be actively encouraged and supported, with full monetary support for anybody who wishes to get into them.
If anyone more familiar with French politics can answer – is there any financial hole that needs plugging? ‘Cuz it looks like they’re trying to redirect finances from point A to point B.
What an ass. He needs to be thrown out of office
Wonder if /r/europe will call Macron based this time…
For the love of fuck, don’t do this. California did it in the 70’s and now entire generations are saddled with debt. It’ll start off “reasonable” and then any time there’s a budget crisis they’ll say their hand was forced to cut even mire budget which raises the tuition. Thats how you end up with tuition costing $20,000 per year.
Shouldn’t French decision about attempting to reduce the 50% drop of first year students (a student cost 10k€/year) be kept private from europeans ?
I’m sorry but we really don’t care about what you would think, in fact you seems to know so little that the first thing you want to say is that we want to privatize education. Really ? With a man who fell in love with his teacher ? Who loves litterature, education (check out the culture pass given to every 18 years old people) ?
You really expect us, French people, to accept that 50% of the money invested in the first year students is wasted, and that we shouldn’t try to change this ?
Of course we won’t have the same education system as the US, and it’s in the ambition of the president to redirect people into more “manual/labor” work and less putting people in universities until they know what they want.
People keep bragging about Macron’s bad effect on the election but he said himself that he doesn’t take action to be reelected, he doesn’t care that much. Perhaps keeping in mind the good actions he took would also help people have a constructive opinion instead of keeping saying “fuck off macron you’re bad lol”
I swear everytime I see Macron on the news it’s some stupid shit he says/he proposes, it’s like he’s trying so hard to not get reelected.
What a terrible idea. Instead of a proper reform, let’s make it easier for the rich to get an education and make it harder for the poor! That will surely solve all the problems!