Die USA, Ägypten und Katar sagten, sie drängen auf einen Plan zur Beendigung des Krieges, zur Freilassung von Geiseln und zur Gründung eines palästinensischen Staates

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  2. It has 0% chance of being accepted by Israel as it basically amounts to calling a complete stop and letting bygones be bygones. Israel is not going to entertain any proposal that leaves Hamas in power.

    Their primary opposition to a Palestinian state is because they believe a state would quickly become controlled by Hamas or similar group and result in a hostile nation like Gaza, only with much more advanced weaponry and resources. It would be like replacing Hamas with Hezbollah on all sides.

  3. Just take note of the fact that Israeli hostages are to be left in captivity until Hamas has full autonomy and all Palestinian prisoners are released.
    That is, IF Hamas decides to release the hostages after they already got all they wanted and Israel ceased all of its military operations in Palestinian territories.

    Israel is being coerced into unilaterall surrender.

    Hamas leaders are still out there shouting that a Palestinian state is only the first step in conquering Israel and banishing the Jews.
    Why will nobody listen to them?

  4. As an Israeli, the only question I have for someone who thinks this plan is realistic, is this.

    Do you think there can ever be peace between Israel and a nation who will celebrate October 7th as its independence day?

  5. A two state solution will only work if both sides can live peacefully together. Hamas has made it clear, they want none of that, and are hellbent on killing as many Jews as possible. While I can’t forgive Israel’s decisions in allowing the settler violence to go unpunished, I also believe that Israel has a right to protect itself against this kind of terrorism. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

  7. “Free what’s left of the hostages after 4 months”

  8. While Israel surely has its share , It must be said:

    What makes you think Palastinians can handle a country? they had an opportunity in Gaza to run a ‘pilot’ since 2005 and do proactive actions to show the world they are on track to fulfil their aspirations.

    And what did they do instead? took all the aid money and built a terror city while teaching their youth that being a martyr is an ultimate cause.

    ‘Free Palastine’ is the main chant in rallies, free Palastine= swipe all the Jews from the land. In 1948 they tried and failed. How do you think it would have winded up should they succeeded?

    What about the west bank? good question, all signs show there wouldn’t be much of a difference if Israel would fully evacuate the area as the support in Hamas there is at an all time high.

  9. So effectively rewarding the terrorists for October 7th. I’d say that’s kind of inviting more terrorism as I see it.

    Pre October 7th I always said Palestinians should have their own state, after October 7th I’m not saying they shouldn’t but not for a long time, at least 20 years. October 7th and a Palestinian state can’t be seen as being related.

  12. How can we possibly reward them with a Palestinian state? So many of these people are radicalized. The last thing we need is another Islamist state pumping out terrorists for the decades ahead. You have to solve radicalization as part of any solution.

  13. What’s the alternative? constant warfare for generations? It’s not like Israel can’t invade again. Giving people something to lose (statehood) makes them more restrained in my mind. Hezbollah hasn’t invaded yet despite a perfect opportunity to start a second front.

  14. Funny. I don’t see Hamas’ pal Russia in that list. Ok, not exactly funny.

  15. Complete disconnect from reality. Optics- how do you think the Israeli public would feel about the October 7th massacre and hostage-taking leading to creation of a Palestinian state? It’s quite literally holding knives to people’s throats and expecting them to welcome you as a neighbor. They won’t go for it.

  16. Will the new Palestinian state just re-elect Hamas, a new Hamas, or a Holocaust apologist?

  17. So back to business as usual, let Hamas regain power etc and attack again, and Israel whoop their butt again, while Hamas lie about casualties while taking no responsibility again. Yesh good plan you fucking idiots.

  19. How about these three nations take in the Palestianians and deal with them going forward if they think its such a great idea to give these people more power.

  20. Only deal I’m interested in is them returning all hostages in exchange for the bombing to stop.

  21. Watching what the Israeli army is doing, I really don’t think there is going to be a Gaza when they are done. They’re forcefully pushing the population out and taking the land. The West Bank is subdivided so many times that I don’t think you could really make a state out of that land either.

  22. If behind closed doors the US really has decided to side with Iran on this (pretty shocked with this proposal tbh), then the Israelis really need to start moving into chinas orbit. China is desperate for semi-conductor knowledge which the Israeli’s have. Israel’s military weapon design skills combined with chinas manufacturing base would allow Israel to replace supply of american weaponry and modernize chinas army at the same time.

    Also, china will not bat an eye at any action Israel deems appropriate for their own security. Civilian deaths? Lol, the CCP would join in, they hate muslims more than anybody else. China could simply veto any UN action against them as the US currently does.

    The US has everything to lose here. I really don’t understand the way they are behaving. What does Israel have to gain by staying with the US?

  23. This plan is insane. Security guarantees for the lives of high ranking Hamas members? No requirement for Hamas to disarm? It effectively rewards Hamas for 10/7 with a Palestinian state they would be allowed to govern. Absolutely psychotic if the Administration is actually pushing this lunacy.

  24. Based on the headline I could see a workable deal that both sides could potentially accept, but after reading the article the deal sounds absolutely terrible.

    >Israel would simultaneously release hundreds of Palestinian security prisoners, pull out of Gaza’s cities, allow freedom of movement in the Strip, cease drone surveillance over Gaza, and double the amount of aid entering the Hamas-controlled territory.

    So all the Hamas fighters get released and have the freedom to run around wherever they want without Israel so much as having the ability to monitor them. Then to top it off they get a ton more aid given to Hamas. This all sounds like one side putting in a lot of leniency just for Hamas to take it, break their word and start fighting again. Anyone would be insane to accept such a deal.

  25. The fact that biden apparently thinks the palestinian authority can be trusted to govern Palestine really makes me question his judgment tbh

  26. I can’t see Israel wanting to reward the deadliest attack on them in recent history with surrender and Palestinian statehood.

  28. >The US, Egypt and Qatar are pushing Israel and Hamas to accept a comprehensive plan that would end the war, see the release of hostages held in Gaza, and ultimately lead to full normalization for Israel with its neighbors and talks for the establishment of a Palestinian state…

    >The plan, whose complete implementation would take 90 days, would reportedly bring all fighting to an extended halt, during which time the Palestinian terror group, in the first stage, would free all civilians.

    >Israel would simultaneously release hundreds of Palestinian security prisoners, pull out of Gaza’s cities, allow freedom of movement in the Strip, cease drone surveillance over Gaza, and double the amount of aid entering the Hamas-controlled territory.

    There is a fair amount of this plan that is unrealistic.

    However, something needs to be done.

    In my opinion, the main peace deal that Israel needs to prioritize in this conflict, is in the West Bank.

    They need to show the Palestinians, that there is a viable alternative to following Hamas, and that Israel will better reward peace than violence.

    If a peace deal in Gaza is going to work, the Palestinian people living in Gaza will need to have more control over Hamas or whatever government they end up having.

    They will need the power to advocate for their best interests to end this war.

  30. Um, it’s nice they’re optimistic, but after Oct 7th, a Palestinian state will never exist.

  31. Wait I’m sorry so Israel completely withdraws from Gaza before a *single* assurance of security? There’s no agreed framework by the PA—much less by Hamas—for a Palestinian state, we just go back to talks?

    This plan is—I cannot emphasize this enough—“just go back to the status quo and pretend this never happened.”

    That’s not serious.

  32. Not even the Israeli left will accept this. It means that the mastermind behind the heinous attack will stay a free man , acting as an international beacon a la Bin Laden. Israel cannot stop this war until the leadership of Hamas within Gaza is death.

    Furthermore, they cannot “ reward” Palestinians for their terror. I do think they should restart peace negotiations ( i would start doing the work now) but those talks cannot included Hamas in any form, nor give them any legitimacy.

    America isn’t doing a good job anymore since they are falling into Qatar trap, the premier sponsor of Hamas for the last couple of decades.

  33. Biden is panicking because his radical leftist terrorist glazing base isn’t gonna vote for him if Hamas doesn’t win

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