Seems sensible across the board, whether you’re EDL, pro-Israeli, pro-Palestinian. Especially when combating disturbances.
Still a can of worms though… it’s easy to show a cheesy V-for-Vendetta mask as a covering but does that also extend to [religious facial coverings?](https://twitter.com/5Pillarsuk/status/1737764533781844355) – Not the majority of hair coverings, but there’s a couple of full facial veils there.
Agree if our politicians agree to forensic examinations of their assets, bank accounts, family and business relationships. After all if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.
And how exactly is this going to be enforced without every protest becoming violent? Just because you legislate something doesn’t mean the protestors suddenly obey.
The Hong Kong Government did that to crack down on protests for democracy, only to be hit by the pandemic within weeks, rendering the law unenforcable.
But laws like this are never really practical. They can only be selectively enforced on whoever the police dislikes.
Would this advisor be on the payroll of a cosmetics company perchance?
because some styles of face paint decoration play havoc with facial recognition
This is good, but they should go one step further and ban the wearing of face coverings in public without a valid reason altogether. That would go a long way in solving the current surge in anti-social behaviour across the country by groups of youths wearing balaclavas.
Wait I thought masks were supposed to prevent the spread of disease?
Imagine leaving Hong Kong for Britain because of draconian laws being passed to see this in the headline today….
They have not gone full blown Carrie Lam but the sentiment is damn close!
With what the police are using as grounds for arrest at protests now (being a bit annoying seems to cut the mustard) I think I’d prefer if those facial recognition cameras didn’t work. This sounds like yet another draconian idea.
Next step is to ban protests, then ban opposition parties, make TV state controlled and say only positive things about the government – how they wish they could!
I believe it is a human right to anonymise yourself in public. It may be used wrongly, but if we ever need it, we will fucking need it
Lets just ban protests. They cause far too much trouble.
Lets just ban anything critical or problematic for the capitalist class and big business interests.
To be fair, you don’t need to disguise yourself at a protest unless you are doing something wrong. Theres protesting for peace and then theres protesting for peace while causing violence, vandalising and broadly supporting terrorist organisations. Luckily the latter are in the minority
Would be a fair decision, if the police and government weren’t working on questionably reliable facial recognition software to track people without assurances they wouldn’t track innocent people, and could be trusted to treat peaceful and lawful protests fairly….
Unfortunately this is the government that allowed undercover officers to infiltrate legal, non-violent protest groups by using false identities and sleeping with women for years without making an arrest. So frankly I think people have the right to anonymity when they attend a protest unless they actually do something illegal.
I also strongly disagree with the article’s premise that protestors are increasingly violent or that the marches in defensive of Gaza were particularly dangerous, and its insulting that it completely ignored the smaller yet more violent EDL march. They certainly don’t requite a stricter response than the actual riots there were in 2011.
This looks like yet another a cynical method to criminalise criticism of the government.
Some protesters do hide behind the mask. And cause trouble but I’m not 100% sure about this
I’d like to see face masking in general banned tbh. Alot of kids in balaclavas for example
The fact that people support this is mind boggling to me. It might sound like a good idea when you don’t like ‘current thing’, but what about when the government do something *you* don’t like?
This is a nonsense suggestion for no other reason that it is unenforceable on a practical level.
You would have thought the Lord Whatshisface making these suggestions would have a clue about legal processes and how offences are proven in court but apparently not.
I’ve seen bigots on Twitter share images of people in counter-protests in an attempt to dox them so they can make weird claims to their employer / send threatening letters / worse. Just because you show up to a trans rights / anti-racist protest doesn’t mean you necessarily consent to a right-wing slam-piece about you being the first Google result for your name.
Also, y’know, free expression is important and clothing is an example of this.
Arrest people who commit crimes during protests. If they wear a mask then consider if it’s an important crime that threatens public safety or if it’s just orange paint on a Exxon building, and then do policework when required. Don’t arrest people for things that don’t damage people’s wellbeing or property – eg, ‘wearing a mask’.
They should ban them from everywhere. Criminal gangs have adopted the face coverings to avoid being recognised
>I sometimes fear that
>
>people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
>
>worn by grotesques and monsters
>
>as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.
>
>Fascism arrives as your friend.
>
>It will restore your honour,
>
>make you feel proud,
>
>protect your house,
>
>give you a job,
>
>clean up the neighbourhood,
>
>remind you of how great you once were,
>
>clear out the venal and the corrupt,
>
>remove anything you feel is unlike you…
>
>It doesn’t walk in saying,
>
>”Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”
The government already oversteps their mark on invasion of privacy. This is not going to bring positive changes
The fact that the government are trying to make it as difficult as possible to protest (as well as for workers to strike) is indicative of a ruling class with an inability to rule.
Mass non-compliance and general strikes are a valid tactic to resist this oppression.
The annoying thing is, is that labour are saying they’re keeping the anti-protest laws. Why are labour suddenly becoming the new Tory party?
And the Police will enforce this, right? Ofcourse not. Theyre too scared.
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Seems sensible across the board, whether you’re EDL, pro-Israeli, pro-Palestinian. Especially when combating disturbances.
Still a can of worms though… it’s easy to show a cheesy V-for-Vendetta mask as a covering but does that also extend to [religious facial coverings?](https://twitter.com/5Pillarsuk/status/1737764533781844355) – Not the majority of hair coverings, but there’s a couple of full facial veils there.
Agree if our politicians agree to forensic examinations of their assets, bank accounts, family and business relationships. After all if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.
And how exactly is this going to be enforced without every protest becoming violent? Just because you legislate something doesn’t mean the protestors suddenly obey.
The Hong Kong Government did that to crack down on protests for democracy, only to be hit by the pandemic within weeks, rendering the law unenforcable.
But laws like this are never really practical. They can only be selectively enforced on whoever the police dislikes.
Would this advisor be on the payroll of a cosmetics company perchance?
because some styles of face paint decoration play havoc with facial recognition
This is good, but they should go one step further and ban the wearing of face coverings in public without a valid reason altogether. That would go a long way in solving the current surge in anti-social behaviour across the country by groups of youths wearing balaclavas.
Wait I thought masks were supposed to prevent the spread of disease?
Imagine leaving Hong Kong for Britain because of draconian laws being passed to see this in the headline today….
They have not gone full blown Carrie Lam but the sentiment is damn close!
With what the police are using as grounds for arrest at protests now (being a bit annoying seems to cut the mustard) I think I’d prefer if those facial recognition cameras didn’t work. This sounds like yet another draconian idea.
Next step is to ban protests, then ban opposition parties, make TV state controlled and say only positive things about the government – how they wish they could!
I believe it is a human right to anonymise yourself in public. It may be used wrongly, but if we ever need it, we will fucking need it
Lets just ban protests. They cause far too much trouble.
Lets just ban anything critical or problematic for the capitalist class and big business interests.
To be fair, you don’t need to disguise yourself at a protest unless you are doing something wrong. Theres protesting for peace and then theres protesting for peace while causing violence, vandalising and broadly supporting terrorist organisations. Luckily the latter are in the minority
Would be a fair decision, if the police and government weren’t working on questionably reliable facial recognition software to track people without assurances they wouldn’t track innocent people, and could be trusted to treat peaceful and lawful protests fairly….
Unfortunately this is the government that allowed undercover officers to infiltrate legal, non-violent protest groups by using false identities and sleeping with women for years without making an arrest. So frankly I think people have the right to anonymity when they attend a protest unless they actually do something illegal.
I also strongly disagree with the article’s premise that protestors are increasingly violent or that the marches in defensive of Gaza were particularly dangerous, and its insulting that it completely ignored the smaller yet more violent EDL march. They certainly don’t requite a stricter response than the actual riots there were in 2011.
This looks like yet another a cynical method to criminalise criticism of the government.
Some protesters do hide behind the mask. And cause trouble but I’m not 100% sure about this
I’d like to see face masking in general banned tbh. Alot of kids in balaclavas for example
The fact that people support this is mind boggling to me. It might sound like a good idea when you don’t like ‘current thing’, but what about when the government do something *you* don’t like?
This is a nonsense suggestion for no other reason that it is unenforceable on a practical level.
You would have thought the Lord Whatshisface making these suggestions would have a clue about legal processes and how offences are proven in court but apparently not.
I’ve seen bigots on Twitter share images of people in counter-protests in an attempt to dox them so they can make weird claims to their employer / send threatening letters / worse. Just because you show up to a trans rights / anti-racist protest doesn’t mean you necessarily consent to a right-wing slam-piece about you being the first Google result for your name.
Also, y’know, free expression is important and clothing is an example of this.
Arrest people who commit crimes during protests. If they wear a mask then consider if it’s an important crime that threatens public safety or if it’s just orange paint on a Exxon building, and then do policework when required. Don’t arrest people for things that don’t damage people’s wellbeing or property – eg, ‘wearing a mask’.
They should ban them from everywhere. Criminal gangs have adopted the face coverings to avoid being recognised
>I sometimes fear that
>
>people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
>
>worn by grotesques and monsters
>
>as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.
>
>Fascism arrives as your friend.
>
>It will restore your honour,
>
>make you feel proud,
>
>protect your house,
>
>give you a job,
>
>clean up the neighbourhood,
>
>remind you of how great you once were,
>
>clear out the venal and the corrupt,
>
>remove anything you feel is unlike you…
>
>It doesn’t walk in saying,
>
>”Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”
The government already oversteps their mark on invasion of privacy. This is not going to bring positive changes
The fact that the government are trying to make it as difficult as possible to protest (as well as for workers to strike) is indicative of a ruling class with an inability to rule.
Mass non-compliance and general strikes are a valid tactic to resist this oppression.
The annoying thing is, is that labour are saying they’re keeping the anti-protest laws. Why are labour suddenly becoming the new Tory party?
And the Police will enforce this, right? Ofcourse not. Theyre too scared.