“*Unlike our predecessors, this generation would be going to the front line with a clear idea of the bloody realities of a global conflict, rather than being sustained by jingoism or the fantasy of a war that would be ‘over by Christmas’.*
*I simply cannot see Gen Z or millennials accepting this; conscientious objections and civil disobedience would be abundant.*
*[…]*
*We have been too complacent for too long. To protect our country, and our young people, we must be prepared to make sacrifices to bolster our defences. Conscription should be a final resort, not a result of our failures to properly resource our military*.”
I’m having a hard time understanding how the author balances these two points.
Someone said somewhere – just let the small police forces and armies of Europe try to conscript tens of millions of people… Then watch those police forces and armies be torn to shreds by those tens of millions.
As long as you don’t have a stake in society, why bother defending it?
The fix – give a stake in society to young people. It’s bad enough Millennials have been screwed over by the Boomers, who hoarded all the power and wealth, while at the same time living forever and gatekeeping said wealth and power, it’s bad enough they (we, I’m a Millennial) were left to fight for scraps… Now someone thinks Gen Z will just run with it and keep it going? Nah, mate, we taught them better than that – do what we could not – let their world fade along with them passing.
It is said you reap what you sow.
It’ funny how they think they would be given a choice.
When bombs start falling, people quickly change their minds.
Do they think the soldiers in the world wars went to war WILLINGLY?
Lol what is this? Stupid opinion piece.
That’s a great perspective and no one wants to bring arms in hands and go kill people in trenches risking their life instead of drinking coffee at the warm office. But when enemy invades their country and occupies their house, because they didn’t protect it, do you know what usually happens with people who didn’t fight for it or run ahead of time? Especially if they are occupied by force which dehumanized them.
Like one day it happened with Ukraine. On February 23, 2022 our Russian neighbors were telling that they are our brothers and they will never have a full-scale invasion. On February 24 bombs started falling on our houses. Do people realize what is happening with people who support democracy but ended up in the occupied cities? Males are either tortured, Killed or conscripted to go fight as a cannon fodder w/o weapons, females – first two and some 18+ stuff.
So yeah, I am all for peace, but people don’t want to learn from something that is happening next to them for 700 days, and they think that they will be treated differently if enemy will come to their house
I’ll back conscription when wartime means every single one of these useless politicians shares my trench. Otherwise they can use their stolen money to pay for mercs.
It reads as “stupid boomers were happy to go to war because they were duped by propaganda, but we are very smart young people, not like them! we are not happy to go to war!”
I have some breaking news for gen z…
Will they “accept” Russian occupation ?
It’s weird to see numerous comments like ‘yeah, good luck not getting drafted’ alongside other comments in Russia-related posts saying ‘Civilians should just say no.’ And we don’t even live in a dictatorship.
People need a reason to care, but they’ve been lied to so often, most ways of convincing anyone to care is lost, because there is no trust. If you’re expected to fight for your country willingly, then you would have to believe in what your country stands for, and believe in the stated purpose of military action.
Terrible decisions by government at home and abroad, have left people with no motivation. Perhaps some sacrifices should be expected from the corporate world as well, in terms of funds and resources; that might go some way to convincing people they aren’t just tools to protect investments of the most wealthy.
The possibility of a general conscription is really low in European countries. Modern armies are based on professional soldiers that do that for a living, taking people with absolutely no military background and turning them into soldiers isn’t an easy or inexpensive task. In Italy for examples we would lack even the facilities to train and host people if we bring back mandatory military service back.
Polish public is entirely against idea of conscription regardless of secondary reasoning in support of it.
PIS tried to push for it, but gladly got booted out just in time not to have that post soviet like shite service reanimated
There’s a Polish saying “Na złość babci odmrożę sobie uszy”, it means something like “To spite my grandmother I’ll frostbite my ears”.
Who do they think they would be punishing? “The previous generations”? What about protecting people of their **own** generation? Or the generations coming after them? I guess it’s “if it’s not me, it’s not important”.
Also, what are they going to do, if their country gets invaded and occupied? Do they think they will be magically exempt from the horrors of war or something?
So many interesting questions.
Who is this guy and who gave him the authority to speak on behalf of an entire generation of people?
This “article” is nothing but hot air.
I think the example of Ukraine shows that Gen Z is just as willing as any other generation when it comes to the need to defend their home. War is not a choice. When an enemy invades your country, that isn’t something you can simply reject and ignore. War either comes or it does not. And when it does come it is better to be prepared.
I hope years and years of giving no fucks about youngsters finally pays off.
While the article itself is mediocre and conflictual i still want to reitarate on the main point: we are not listened, we even have our solutions for conflicts, but we get no political power to express them whatsoever and then we are supposed to fight wars we do not relate to?
(not gen Z, but millennial speaking here tho)
Yes I love reaping the benefits of the state and wont be serving it in return. Iam scammaxxing Iam fraudpilled patriotbros seethe.
It really doesn’t matter what previous generations failed at, at the end of the day, younger generations – especially those in Eastern EU countries – may have to accept conscription if they intend to defend their freedom from an aggressive Russia.
Nobody who volunteers wants to serve alongside people who have been forced to be there.
If you want to increase recruitment numbers – increase the pay and benefits, and stop turning people away with minor medical issues.
I worry about western people sometimes. Like yeah I get it but one day our country will fold to our enemies without firing a shit because of these worms.
Why the fuck would we young people fight for countries and old people who have been fucking us over time after time? They have fucked our economies, the housing market, the climate, and now they expect us to die for them? Fuck that, I am not getting my legs blown off for out of touch politicians and rich boomers, only to come back home to a crappy overpriced rental apartment and a small disability check. Send “them” into the trenches first and maybe we’ll talk.
Send rich burocrats and old politician at the frontline, instead of poor young men. I won’t pay with my life for a corrupted interest.
So what happens if Russia did invade? Who do they assume will fight or are they fine with Russia taking over in that situation?
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“*Unlike our predecessors, this generation would be going to the front line with a clear idea of the bloody realities of a global conflict, rather than being sustained by jingoism or the fantasy of a war that would be ‘over by Christmas’.*
*I simply cannot see Gen Z or millennials accepting this; conscientious objections and civil disobedience would be abundant.*
*[…]*
*We have been too complacent for too long. To protect our country, and our young people, we must be prepared to make sacrifices to bolster our defences. Conscription should be a final resort, not a result of our failures to properly resource our military*.”
I’m having a hard time understanding how the author balances these two points.
Someone said somewhere – just let the small police forces and armies of Europe try to conscript tens of millions of people… Then watch those police forces and armies be torn to shreds by those tens of millions.
As long as you don’t have a stake in society, why bother defending it?
The fix – give a stake in society to young people. It’s bad enough Millennials have been screwed over by the Boomers, who hoarded all the power and wealth, while at the same time living forever and gatekeeping said wealth and power, it’s bad enough they (we, I’m a Millennial) were left to fight for scraps… Now someone thinks Gen Z will just run with it and keep it going? Nah, mate, we taught them better than that – do what we could not – let their world fade along with them passing.
It is said you reap what you sow.
It’ funny how they think they would be given a choice.
When bombs start falling, people quickly change their minds.
Do they think the soldiers in the world wars went to war WILLINGLY?
Lol what is this? Stupid opinion piece.
That’s a great perspective and no one wants to bring arms in hands and go kill people in trenches risking their life instead of drinking coffee at the warm office. But when enemy invades their country and occupies their house, because they didn’t protect it, do you know what usually happens with people who didn’t fight for it or run ahead of time? Especially if they are occupied by force which dehumanized them.
Like one day it happened with Ukraine. On February 23, 2022 our Russian neighbors were telling that they are our brothers and they will never have a full-scale invasion. On February 24 bombs started falling on our houses. Do people realize what is happening with people who support democracy but ended up in the occupied cities? Males are either tortured, Killed or conscripted to go fight as a cannon fodder w/o weapons, females – first two and some 18+ stuff.
So yeah, I am all for peace, but people don’t want to learn from something that is happening next to them for 700 days, and they think that they will be treated differently if enemy will come to their house
I’ll back conscription when wartime means every single one of these useless politicians shares my trench. Otherwise they can use their stolen money to pay for mercs.
It reads as “stupid boomers were happy to go to war because they were duped by propaganda, but we are very smart young people, not like them! we are not happy to go to war!”
I have some breaking news for gen z…
Will they “accept” Russian occupation ?
It’s weird to see numerous comments like ‘yeah, good luck not getting drafted’ alongside other comments in Russia-related posts saying ‘Civilians should just say no.’ And we don’t even live in a dictatorship.
People need a reason to care, but they’ve been lied to so often, most ways of convincing anyone to care is lost, because there is no trust. If you’re expected to fight for your country willingly, then you would have to believe in what your country stands for, and believe in the stated purpose of military action.
Terrible decisions by government at home and abroad, have left people with no motivation. Perhaps some sacrifices should be expected from the corporate world as well, in terms of funds and resources; that might go some way to convincing people they aren’t just tools to protect investments of the most wealthy.
The possibility of a general conscription is really low in European countries. Modern armies are based on professional soldiers that do that for a living, taking people with absolutely no military background and turning them into soldiers isn’t an easy or inexpensive task. In Italy for examples we would lack even the facilities to train and host people if we bring back mandatory military service back.
Polish public is entirely against idea of conscription regardless of secondary reasoning in support of it.
PIS tried to push for it, but gladly got booted out just in time not to have that post soviet like shite service reanimated
There’s a Polish saying “Na złość babci odmrożę sobie uszy”, it means something like “To spite my grandmother I’ll frostbite my ears”.
Who do they think they would be punishing? “The previous generations”? What about protecting people of their **own** generation? Or the generations coming after them? I guess it’s “if it’s not me, it’s not important”.
Also, what are they going to do, if their country gets invaded and occupied? Do they think they will be magically exempt from the horrors of war or something?
So many interesting questions.
Who is this guy and who gave him the authority to speak on behalf of an entire generation of people?
This “article” is nothing but hot air.
I think the example of Ukraine shows that Gen Z is just as willing as any other generation when it comes to the need to defend their home. War is not a choice. When an enemy invades your country, that isn’t something you can simply reject and ignore. War either comes or it does not. And when it does come it is better to be prepared.
I hope years and years of giving no fucks about youngsters finally pays off.
While the article itself is mediocre and conflictual i still want to reitarate on the main point: we are not listened, we even have our solutions for conflicts, but we get no political power to express them whatsoever and then we are supposed to fight wars we do not relate to?
(not gen Z, but millennial speaking here tho)
Yes I love reaping the benefits of the state and wont be serving it in return. Iam scammaxxing Iam fraudpilled patriotbros seethe.
It really doesn’t matter what previous generations failed at, at the end of the day, younger generations – especially those in Eastern EU countries – may have to accept conscription if they intend to defend their freedom from an aggressive Russia.
Nobody who volunteers wants to serve alongside people who have been forced to be there.
If you want to increase recruitment numbers – increase the pay and benefits, and stop turning people away with minor medical issues.
I worry about western people sometimes. Like yeah I get it but one day our country will fold to our enemies without firing a shit because of these worms.
Why the fuck would we young people fight for countries and old people who have been fucking us over time after time? They have fucked our economies, the housing market, the climate, and now they expect us to die for them? Fuck that, I am not getting my legs blown off for out of touch politicians and rich boomers, only to come back home to a crappy overpriced rental apartment and a small disability check. Send “them” into the trenches first and maybe we’ll talk.
Send rich burocrats and old politician at the frontline, instead of poor young men. I won’t pay with my life for a corrupted interest.
So what happens if Russia did invade? Who do they assume will fight or are they fine with Russia taking over in that situation?