Russia’s attempts to push narratives that Ukraine’s EU membership prospects are doubtful or will simply make the country the EU’s “agricultural appendage” have largely fallen on deaf ears as Ukrainians remain firmly in favour of EU accession.
In December, Ukraine reached a new milestone in its history when EU leaders decided to start negotiations on its membership.
Ukraine’s path to the EU has taken place amid a war it is waging against Russia, fighting for its European future with the help of its Western allies. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian government also has its work cut out as it needs to gradually meet membership requirements.
In mid-January, the European Commission started the screening process, which will assess which Ukrainian laws need to be aligned with the bloc’s current legislation
At this rate the EU should consider joining Ukraine. They have displayed the courage, common sense, pragmatism and willpower that the EU totally lacks.
Turkey has been in accession talks since 1999.
It’s delusional to think Ukraine will be joining anytime soon.
There’s a particular problem with Eastern EU farmers being undercut by Ukrainian grain.
Additionally, Ukraine is a million miles away from reducing corruption to any acceptable level.
Ukraine shouldn’t get a free pass just due to misguided sLaVA uKRanI sentiment, which will eventually evaporate
FREUDE
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Anyone with half a brain would want to join the EU. Too bad we don’t have many such people in Serbia…
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The real disgusting thing about Ukrainian EU-membership is that the whole “corruption” thing is only what politicians say in public.
Behind closed doors, they’ll tell you it’s actually about agriculture. Ukrainian soil is one of the most fertile in the world and thus France and some Eastern-European nations don’t want to allow Ukrainian grain into the single market as our farmers wouldn’t be able to compete.
But the thing is, every time farmers get outcompeted like what happened when the Dutch greenhouses produced a stupendous amount of healthy, cheap vegetables free of pesticides. Spanish, Italian, Greek farmers couldn’t compete and therefore went into luxury products such as cheese, wine or olives. The same happened with Japanese farmers that imported American grain, they started making luxury fruits (those squared watermelons) or Kobe/Wagyu beef.
Just imagine how cheap food would be in the EU if Dutch agricultural know-how would be applied to Ukrainian soil. This is what I think of every time I have to pay €1.25 for a half loaf of bread.
Are there any Ukrainians left believing Russia a single word after two years of war?
Ukraine can quadruple its GDP in 15 years if they join EU. They could finally prosper. Russians are the only thing standing in the way. Fuck Putin.
It makes sense considering how intensely the Ukrainians have experienced first-hand the demonstrations of Russian “partnership” since 2014 with the annexation of Crimea.
A Russian historian, Likhachev, put it succinctly but ominously about the pathological insecurity and obsession that he and his countrymen have had over Ukrainians. Putin is merely one personification of this derangement that he and millions upon millions of Russians have clung to and passed on over the centuries.
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>*”Ovеr the соurѕe оf the сеnturіeѕ fоllоwіng theіr dіvіѕіоn іntо twо entіtіeѕ, Ruѕѕіa and Ukraіne have fоrmed nоt оnly a pоlіtically but alѕо a culturally dualіstіc unіty.* ***Ruѕѕіan culture іѕ meanіngleѕѕ wіthоut Ukraіnіan, aѕ Ukraіnіan іѕ withоut Ruѕѕіan.”***
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Thus it would make them lose their ѕhіt even more when Ukraine is in the EU. They’ve appropriated “Ukrainian-ness” as part of their self-image, with the quiet proviso that their “Russian-ness” always and everywhere still prevails over “Ukrainian-ness”. It utterly breaks them when the subordinated part of their self-imagined essence consistently and firmly chooses to be non-Russian without “their permission”.
On a more prosaic level, it means that their precious Odesa, Kyiv and Crimea which they have deep-down considered “theirs” will all truly be on foreign territory by being in “Gayropa” and part of the “Westoid” world. It means no more chances to barge in obnoxiously into Odesa or Crimea for their summer vacations.
In the end, let them keep sniveling and stewing about their massive own-goal since resentful misery has proven to be their default approach to life regardless of whether they “win” or lose.
Kinda makes sense that the disinformation from the people who are attacking your country is not as effective. Wish it didn’t work here as well but…
I mean no shit, even without Russian invasion or disinformation campaigns anyone with internet access and a brain can figure out being part of the EU is great for emigrating
You dont say, the real question is do we want them or are we expecting another greece or hungry.
Anyone who says that corruption isn’t a big deal… Romania and especially Bulgaria are still grappling with it and they over 10 years ago. I’d actually even go as far to state that one of the reasons why EU should be more careful and much more strict and forceful about any future enlargement is precisely because countries have been taken in on the basis of “they’ll get it eventually” and have then backslided or languished for years.
I support their accession, but they must tackle corruption first.
Given Ukraine and Poland had the same size economies when the ussr collapsed , I’m not surprised . Polands gdp is now roughly 3 times the size of Ukraine’s now , and that was before the war . Being under the Russian sphere of influence offers absolutely nothing to countries . Russia only views it as beneficial to themselves . I mean Ukraine has suffered a massive famine and Chernobyl under Russian influence and they continuously scratch their heads wondering why Ukraine wants to align with the eu now .
The EUs biggest rise in projecting soft power has been the ascension of the Baltic states and Poland . Belarus has stagnated under Russian influence . When you have neighbours that are thriving while you struggle , your populace starts to look for alternatives . It’s happened to Ukraine now , and as the older die off and younger replace I suspect it’s going to be increasingly apparent with Belarus ( if not already )
This is what Putin fears . If Ukraine thrives as a capitalist democracy aligned with the eu , the Russians are going to start questioning him more . It’s the whole point of this invasion , he fears democracy . All dictatorships do
I am becoming sceptical, honestly speaking.
Take standards, compatibility, rule of law, and other stuff, but joining…it’s a hard question. Also, I am sceptical overall about the future.
So did most Hungarians, once upon a time. The lesson of the 2004 expansion was that we need to be more careful about the institutional development and rule of law of who gets let in.
After all they’ve been through, they really deserve it.
Well, personal example.
My small town near Kyiv underwent numerous improvements in the period between 2015-2022, even with our inefficient and corrupt major. (thanks to EU-pushed reforms and IMF’s loans).
What was done there during the “Russian influence” era, up to 2014? When Yanukovych and co got gazillions of “loans” from russia? Precisely nothing.
The choice is obvious.
“*These guys who are massacring our population may have a point*” said no one ever in the history of the universe.
Let them join. It is rightfully owed
How many of you, before the war, thought that Ukraine joining UE is a good idea? Now, after 2 years of war, the state of Ukraine is much worse. Infrastrukture is demaged, shitty demographics, brains drained, corruption is rampant, 5 milion of inhabitansts left.
Without stable borders, there will be no Ukraine in EU nor NATO, lets be honest. Ukraine was a fallen state long before the war, now it’s even worse. They didn’t want to improve since 90s and now, suddenly, will try to implement EU laws, regulations and standards? Come on, guys.
European governments, lobbyists and corporate will bribe their politicians, colonise the market and establish a buffer zone betweeen EU and Russia. No one gives a shit about Transinistria and Georgia, Ukraine is on the same path.
How many of you, before the war, thought that Ukraine joining UE is a good idea? Now, after 2 years of war, the state of Ukraine is much worse. Infrastrukture is demaged, shitty demographics, brains drained, corruption is rampant, 5 milion of inhabitansts left.
Without stable borders, there will be no Ukraine in EU nor NATO, lets be honest. Ukraine was a fallen state long before the war, now it’s even worse. They didn’t want to improve since 90s and now, suddenly, will try to implement EU laws, regulations and standards? Come on, guys.
European governments, lobbyists and corporate will bribe their politicians, colonise the market and establish a buffer zone betweeen EU and Russia. No one gives a shit about Transinistria and Georgia, Ukraine is on the same path.
Even Russians would want to join EU but you know…big daddy wont let them.
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Russia’s attempts to push narratives that Ukraine’s EU membership prospects are doubtful or will simply make the country the EU’s “agricultural appendage” have largely fallen on deaf ears as Ukrainians remain firmly in favour of EU accession.
In December, Ukraine reached a new milestone in its history when EU leaders decided to start negotiations on its membership.
Ukraine’s path to the EU has taken place amid a war it is waging against Russia, fighting for its European future with the help of its Western allies. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian government also has its work cut out as it needs to gradually meet membership requirements.
In mid-January, the European Commission started the screening process, which will assess which Ukrainian laws need to be aligned with the bloc’s current legislation
At this rate the EU should consider joining Ukraine. They have displayed the courage, common sense, pragmatism and willpower that the EU totally lacks.
Turkey has been in accession talks since 1999.
It’s delusional to think Ukraine will be joining anytime soon.
There’s a particular problem with Eastern EU farmers being undercut by Ukrainian grain.
Additionally, Ukraine is a million miles away from reducing corruption to any acceptable level.
Ukraine shouldn’t get a free pass just due to misguided sLaVA uKRanI sentiment, which will eventually evaporate
FREUDE
[deleted]
Anyone with half a brain would want to join the EU. Too bad we don’t have many such people in Serbia…
b a s e d.
The real disgusting thing about Ukrainian EU-membership is that the whole “corruption” thing is only what politicians say in public.
Behind closed doors, they’ll tell you it’s actually about agriculture. Ukrainian soil is one of the most fertile in the world and thus France and some Eastern-European nations don’t want to allow Ukrainian grain into the single market as our farmers wouldn’t be able to compete.
But the thing is, every time farmers get outcompeted like what happened when the Dutch greenhouses produced a stupendous amount of healthy, cheap vegetables free of pesticides. Spanish, Italian, Greek farmers couldn’t compete and therefore went into luxury products such as cheese, wine or olives. The same happened with Japanese farmers that imported American grain, they started making luxury fruits (those squared watermelons) or Kobe/Wagyu beef.
Just imagine how cheap food would be in the EU if Dutch agricultural know-how would be applied to Ukrainian soil. This is what I think of every time I have to pay €1.25 for a half loaf of bread.
Are there any Ukrainians left believing Russia a single word after two years of war?
Ukraine can quadruple its GDP in 15 years if they join EU. They could finally prosper. Russians are the only thing standing in the way. Fuck Putin.
It makes sense considering how intensely the Ukrainians have experienced first-hand the demonstrations of Russian “partnership” since 2014 with the annexation of Crimea.
A Russian historian, Likhachev, put it succinctly but ominously about the pathological insecurity and obsession that he and his countrymen have had over Ukrainians. Putin is merely one personification of this derangement that he and millions upon millions of Russians have clung to and passed on over the centuries.
​
>*”Ovеr the соurѕe оf the сеnturіeѕ fоllоwіng theіr dіvіѕіоn іntо twо entіtіeѕ, Ruѕѕіa and Ukraіne have fоrmed nоt оnly a pоlіtically but alѕо a culturally dualіstіc unіty.* ***Ruѕѕіan culture іѕ meanіngleѕѕ wіthоut Ukraіnіan, aѕ Ukraіnіan іѕ withоut Ruѕѕіan.”***
​
Thus it would make them lose their ѕhіt even more when Ukraine is in the EU. They’ve appropriated “Ukrainian-ness” as part of their self-image, with the quiet proviso that their “Russian-ness” always and everywhere still prevails over “Ukrainian-ness”. It utterly breaks them when the subordinated part of their self-imagined essence consistently and firmly chooses to be non-Russian without “their permission”.
On a more prosaic level, it means that their precious Odesa, Kyiv and Crimea which they have deep-down considered “theirs” will all truly be on foreign territory by being in “Gayropa” and part of the “Westoid” world. It means no more chances to barge in obnoxiously into Odesa or Crimea for their summer vacations.
In the end, let them keep sniveling and stewing about their massive own-goal since resentful misery has proven to be their default approach to life regardless of whether they “win” or lose.
Kinda makes sense that the disinformation from the people who are attacking your country is not as effective. Wish it didn’t work here as well but…
I mean no shit, even without Russian invasion or disinformation campaigns anyone with internet access and a brain can figure out being part of the EU is great for emigrating
You dont say, the real question is do we want them or are we expecting another greece or hungry.
Anyone who says that corruption isn’t a big deal… Romania and especially Bulgaria are still grappling with it and they over 10 years ago. I’d actually even go as far to state that one of the reasons why EU should be more careful and much more strict and forceful about any future enlargement is precisely because countries have been taken in on the basis of “they’ll get it eventually” and have then backslided or languished for years.
I support their accession, but they must tackle corruption first.
Given Ukraine and Poland had the same size economies when the ussr collapsed , I’m not surprised . Polands gdp is now roughly 3 times the size of Ukraine’s now , and that was before the war . Being under the Russian sphere of influence offers absolutely nothing to countries . Russia only views it as beneficial to themselves . I mean Ukraine has suffered a massive famine and Chernobyl under Russian influence and they continuously scratch their heads wondering why Ukraine wants to align with the eu now .
The EUs biggest rise in projecting soft power has been the ascension of the Baltic states and Poland . Belarus has stagnated under Russian influence . When you have neighbours that are thriving while you struggle , your populace starts to look for alternatives . It’s happened to Ukraine now , and as the older die off and younger replace I suspect it’s going to be increasingly apparent with Belarus ( if not already )
This is what Putin fears . If Ukraine thrives as a capitalist democracy aligned with the eu , the Russians are going to start questioning him more . It’s the whole point of this invasion , he fears democracy . All dictatorships do
I am becoming sceptical, honestly speaking.
Take standards, compatibility, rule of law, and other stuff, but joining…it’s a hard question. Also, I am sceptical overall about the future.
So did most Hungarians, once upon a time. The lesson of the 2004 expansion was that we need to be more careful about the institutional development and rule of law of who gets let in.
After all they’ve been through, they really deserve it.
Well, personal example.
My small town near Kyiv underwent numerous improvements in the period between 2015-2022, even with our inefficient and corrupt major. (thanks to EU-pushed reforms and IMF’s loans).
What was done there during the “Russian influence” era, up to 2014? When Yanukovych and co got gazillions of “loans” from russia? Precisely nothing.
The choice is obvious.
“*These guys who are massacring our population may have a point*” said no one ever in the history of the universe.
Let them join. It is rightfully owed
How many of you, before the war, thought that Ukraine joining UE is a good idea? Now, after 2 years of war, the state of Ukraine is much worse. Infrastrukture is demaged, shitty demographics, brains drained, corruption is rampant, 5 milion of inhabitansts left.
Without stable borders, there will be no Ukraine in EU nor NATO, lets be honest. Ukraine was a fallen state long before the war, now it’s even worse. They didn’t want to improve since 90s and now, suddenly, will try to implement EU laws, regulations and standards? Come on, guys.
European governments, lobbyists and corporate will bribe their politicians, colonise the market and establish a buffer zone betweeen EU and Russia. No one gives a shit about Transinistria and Georgia, Ukraine is on the same path.
How many of you, before the war, thought that Ukraine joining UE is a good idea? Now, after 2 years of war, the state of Ukraine is much worse. Infrastrukture is demaged, shitty demographics, brains drained, corruption is rampant, 5 milion of inhabitansts left.
Without stable borders, there will be no Ukraine in EU nor NATO, lets be honest. Ukraine was a fallen state long before the war, now it’s even worse. They didn’t want to improve since 90s and now, suddenly, will try to implement EU laws, regulations and standards? Come on, guys.
European governments, lobbyists and corporate will bribe their politicians, colonise the market and establish a buffer zone betweeen EU and Russia. No one gives a shit about Transinistria and Georgia, Ukraine is on the same path.
Even Russians would want to join EU but you know…big daddy wont let them.