If Putin were willing to attack NATO countries, he’d have never had a panic with countries, especially former Soviet republics, joining it.
Will Putin attack NATO?
With what exactly? Their miserable left overs of the huge pile of crappy conventional weapons? Their nukes, of which a bunch would not even leave the silo when launched?
Everyone with two brain cells can see that the quality and effectiveness of the Russian weapons are just junk, the only things that are less crap is the Iranian and NK crap. Good luck Russia, NATO will just steam roll over your crippled body.
One general says Russia will not attack, but 10 say prepare for war with Russia. So Russia will not attack, but you need to prepare for war with Russia, so who will start the war?
Phew, we’re safe. Thanks Lithuanian general!
Idk about the full-scale invasion but some kind of hybrid attack aka ukraine 2014 is very plausible
There really is no way attacking NATO would make sense. Invading Ukraine was borderline insane but from certain angles (if Russia can’t have it, no one can) you understand some of the reasoning.
But I can’t see any here. There’s no preliminary strike that could prevent a retaliatory one, there are no regions worth risking an existential conflict over. Which raises the question why we’re hearing so much about the inevitability of future war.
Never, no matter how much the media tries scare us. Fact is, if we make a deal with Russia and let them keep Ukraine we can finally get our countries and the rest of the world out of this economic mess.
If we could even have consensus that no-one really knows what the fuck will happen.
We should also agree that we should be better prepared for everything.
If the US leaves NATO, Putin will go for the Baltic States .
I don’t think it’s a very good take. If Putin wins in Ukraine and has a military complex that can produce a strong force continually, he would probably want to keep the war machine going.
Seeing that the US is an untrustworthy military ally, there’s reason to believe that he could actually attack the baltics to connect his lands.
He’s low key trying to convince himself 😭
Blame everything to Putin!!!!
Of course he says that. He must and he’s right to say it.
But!
Imagine Putin attacks a Baltic state. By default, NATO is required to step in. This requirement is a given.
Now remember the past few years, the appeasement, the bickering, the hesitation. Additionally, imagine Trump being in charge in the US.
Do you really, really think NATO (or what’s left of it by then) will risk a nuclear war or even a “regular” armed conflict over a small Baltic state?
I sure as fuck hope so, because that’s the deal NATO members have made but I have serious doubts NATO’s response will be swift and prompt.
I suspect that Putin does have these doubts as well and and that’s why I consider an attack on a small NATO member not to be *impossible*. Do I consider it to be dumb and *unlikely*? Yes, but not impossible.
edit: Yeah, according to the downvotes the truth must hurt *a lot*
He already attacking NATO on daily basis. Not with tanks and rockets but with ideology and propaganda.
One of the dumbest things I read about is Putin will attack NATO countries. Why would he, even if he didn’t struggle with Ukraine ?
Ukraine is in a pretty much unique spot from Russian point of view, former closest nation who now wants to join long-term enemy – that is just unacceptable for any Russian top politician. I believe I saw an interview from McCain from 2014 where he speaks about it.
Stories about Russia will attack NATO in 5 years are nothing but a warmongering stories of European politicians who want to take some money from arms companies in a side deals. Shame on them !
Also, I like how Russia is simultaneously to week and to strong in daily media reports, that’s how propaganda looks like
Can these Generals just make up their minds ffs.
German Minister of Rheinmetall says otherwise.
I love how all these NATO generals are giving political statements.
What time period are people talking about here though? I feel like some are talking about right now, and others are talking about within the next 10 years or something.
If we’re talking about right now, I would agree that it’s very unlikely to happen. However, Russia is in wartime economy right now, and are trying to rebuild their army.
It should not be underestimated what they could do 6-10 years from now, and just as it will take time for Russia to build up their army, it will take time for European countries to strengthen ours. It’s not something that happens over a couple of months, or even a couple of years.
Meanwhile, support from US should not be assumed, regardless of if Trump wins this election or not, because like I’ve said, this is going to go on for many years.
That’s not even taking into consideration whatever will happen with Taiwan etc.
“The enemy will not attack us” is not a wise preparation strategy.
Same said Ukrainians before war
How good and reliable is the intel about true state of the Russian armed forces?
We are all looking the wrong way.
Yes, it’s easy to look at Kaliningrad and the Baltic’s and guess that Russia might see some advantage in biting off a bit to create a land bridge to Kaliningrad.
But it’s Moldova that is really the most at risk.
It already has Russia’s trademark “ethno-linguistic Russian separatists” it isn’t in NATO and once resistance in Ukraine has been crushed repeating the process in Moldova will be much easier.
And western nations will once again do very little and use the language of “De-escalation”
Hell, if Macron is still in office then Putin might get a phone call to express French disappointment.
This will just cause more cracks in western political and military alliances which will eventually create the right environment for the invasion of Lithuania and Latvia.
If ruzzians get victory in Ukraine, what will stop them ? At that time they will have the strongest army. Whole Europe depends on the us security guarantees. He may not attack, just make a deal. Who would want to have war with ruzzia if we can simply hive some land inhabited with ruzzians? The same way Ukraine was given to ruzzians two years ago.
This is kind of my mentality; even the things like “little green men” or cross border raids just to antagonise won’t work, as the moment it’s hinted that some “little green men” are present in any NATO country, especially the Baltics, then their own militaries & the NATO forces stationed within would be crushing them within a heartbeat.
People forget that almost every NATO member’s armed forces is way ahead of what Ukraine had at it’s disposal in 2014, as their armed forces genuinely were in a dire stage.
Putin and his cronies are delusional but they are not stupid. Attacking NATO would, at best, end in a swift Russian defeat by conventional means, and at worst a nuclear war where everyone loses and Russia is wiped off the map.
Not now, but if France get out of NATO and Trump is the new president of SUA?
Russia and NATO are like two bullies who have mutual agreement, they only attack weaker countries…
putin can only attack Russia citizens such as females, adults and unaggressive males and pensioners.
Of course not. Not unless he’s attacked first, but he’s cornered, and we keep getting further involved in Ukraine. There’ll come a point where instead of homegrown Ukrainian soldiers being killed, it’ll be uniformed NATO soldiers in the trenches & at some point he’ll be “You know what, enough of the charade. Fuck off or we’re at war”. A decision will have to be made.
Note that in every case where we’ve almost ended up in WW3 during the Cold War era, it was a Russian or in one case East German who took the reasonable route & went “Hey, we need to stop”. We keep edging closer & closer, & fucking around – Cuba, Able Archer ’83, the Norwegian Missile Incident. We need to give him an honourable out somehow.
i remember putin himself admitting such a thing would mean russian defeat and that he is not stupid. BUT lets keep in mind that NEVER did Russia have a good period in history. and that in any Russian presidents’ eyes; Russian soldiers lives are equivalent to mosquito lives
I completely agree. The amount of fearmongering that is ongoing in the last few weeks is beyond insane.
The only sole reason Putin dared to attack Ukraine is simply because Ukraine had no defensive alliances set up. Being in EU/NATO have been never more important than now.
Even just the idea that US, GB, France or Germany might (or might not) lands unit, uses proper attack platforms to support, or even nukes is deterrence enough in itself.
This constant idea that Putin will take the three small countries at the Baltic makes no sense, even worse is the idea that Sweden of all the countries will be attacked without being in NATO.
Clickbait hunting is started going off the rail lately.
And make no mistake, i’m not saying we shouldn’t prepare, or update our armies, and recheck where we are, but the idea that Putin is going to attack NATO in the next few years is simply unfathomable.
He does not dare to attack… simple is that. He knows that if he does, then he’ll get soulraped by several seal teams in the middle of the night while his armies getting annihilated on the fields.
Probably true, but then again there was also no chance he was going to attack Ukraine as well, so…
I think the question should be not “if” but “when”
For those who are sure that NATO will destroy Russia in 2-3 days.
Putin won’t go head-on, he’s not a complete idiot. For this to happen, several things must happen.
He can wait for the United States to leave NATO, or for Trump to try to destabilize the situation. After capturing Ukraine and Moldova, he will have a huge population resource for mobilization + a working military machine.
Then you can destabilize the situation in the Baltic countries by creating a hybrid war there, because they are filled with Russians + bribe some politicians. NATO troops will not go to exterminate their own citizens, so here the European Union with its policy of appeasement may show weakness. + there is a possibility that, threatening with a nuclear strike, these little green men may well gain a foothold in some kind of quasi-republic. Then, thanks to Fico and Orban, destabilize the situation in the European Union by vetoing all decisions.
In addition, NATO’s military power has been collapsing over the past 30 years; now they can’t even make a million shells on time.
So, undoubtedly, the Russians will lose against NATO, but this will not be fun for anyone, so we need to prepare for the worst, build up military power, and help Ukraine, which can generally end all this by receiving the necessary weapons.
Finally, someone talking sense. Russia is crazy to attack Ukraine, but it would be suicidal to attack NATO. A depleted military, and they would operate against complete NATO air supreamacy. Zero chance to accomplish anything except lose tons of men and equipment for zero gains.
All this talk is internal to NATO to push members to fund their militaries, especially with the real possibility of the US pulling out if Trump were to win in November.
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Well duh
*Si vis pacem, para bellum.*
If Putin were willing to attack NATO countries, he’d have never had a panic with countries, especially former Soviet republics, joining it.
Will Putin attack NATO?
With what exactly? Their miserable left overs of the huge pile of crappy conventional weapons? Their nukes, of which a bunch would not even leave the silo when launched?
Everyone with two brain cells can see that the quality and effectiveness of the Russian weapons are just junk, the only things that are less crap is the Iranian and NK crap. Good luck Russia, NATO will just steam roll over your crippled body.
One general says Russia will not attack, but 10 say prepare for war with Russia. So Russia will not attack, but you need to prepare for war with Russia, so who will start the war?
Phew, we’re safe. Thanks Lithuanian general!
Idk about the full-scale invasion but some kind of hybrid attack aka ukraine 2014 is very plausible
There really is no way attacking NATO would make sense. Invading Ukraine was borderline insane but from certain angles (if Russia can’t have it, no one can) you understand some of the reasoning.
But I can’t see any here. There’s no preliminary strike that could prevent a retaliatory one, there are no regions worth risking an existential conflict over. Which raises the question why we’re hearing so much about the inevitability of future war.
Never, no matter how much the media tries scare us. Fact is, if we make a deal with Russia and let them keep Ukraine we can finally get our countries and the rest of the world out of this economic mess.
If we could even have consensus that no-one really knows what the fuck will happen.
We should also agree that we should be better prepared for everything.
If the US leaves NATO, Putin will go for the Baltic States .
I don’t think it’s a very good take. If Putin wins in Ukraine and has a military complex that can produce a strong force continually, he would probably want to keep the war machine going.
Seeing that the US is an untrustworthy military ally, there’s reason to believe that he could actually attack the baltics to connect his lands.
He’s low key trying to convince himself 😭
Blame everything to Putin!!!!
Of course he says that. He must and he’s right to say it.
But!
Imagine Putin attacks a Baltic state. By default, NATO is required to step in. This requirement is a given.
Now remember the past few years, the appeasement, the bickering, the hesitation. Additionally, imagine Trump being in charge in the US.
Do you really, really think NATO (or what’s left of it by then) will risk a nuclear war or even a “regular” armed conflict over a small Baltic state?
I sure as fuck hope so, because that’s the deal NATO members have made but I have serious doubts NATO’s response will be swift and prompt.
I suspect that Putin does have these doubts as well and and that’s why I consider an attack on a small NATO member not to be *impossible*. Do I consider it to be dumb and *unlikely*? Yes, but not impossible.
edit: Yeah, according to the downvotes the truth must hurt *a lot*
He already attacking NATO on daily basis. Not with tanks and rockets but with ideology and propaganda.
One of the dumbest things I read about is Putin will attack NATO countries. Why would he, even if he didn’t struggle with Ukraine ?
Ukraine is in a pretty much unique spot from Russian point of view, former closest nation who now wants to join long-term enemy – that is just unacceptable for any Russian top politician. I believe I saw an interview from McCain from 2014 where he speaks about it.
Stories about Russia will attack NATO in 5 years are nothing but a warmongering stories of European politicians who want to take some money from arms companies in a side deals. Shame on them !
Also, I like how Russia is simultaneously to week and to strong in daily media reports, that’s how propaganda looks like
Can these Generals just make up their minds ffs.
German Minister of Rheinmetall says otherwise.
I love how all these NATO generals are giving political statements.
What time period are people talking about here though? I feel like some are talking about right now, and others are talking about within the next 10 years or something.
If we’re talking about right now, I would agree that it’s very unlikely to happen. However, Russia is in wartime economy right now, and are trying to rebuild their army.
It should not be underestimated what they could do 6-10 years from now, and just as it will take time for Russia to build up their army, it will take time for European countries to strengthen ours. It’s not something that happens over a couple of months, or even a couple of years.
Meanwhile, support from US should not be assumed, regardless of if Trump wins this election or not, because like I’ve said, this is going to go on for many years.
That’s not even taking into consideration whatever will happen with Taiwan etc.
“The enemy will not attack us” is not a wise preparation strategy.
Same said Ukrainians before war
How good and reliable is the intel about true state of the Russian armed forces?
We are all looking the wrong way.
Yes, it’s easy to look at Kaliningrad and the Baltic’s and guess that Russia might see some advantage in biting off a bit to create a land bridge to Kaliningrad.
But it’s Moldova that is really the most at risk.
It already has Russia’s trademark “ethno-linguistic Russian separatists” it isn’t in NATO and once resistance in Ukraine has been crushed repeating the process in Moldova will be much easier.
And western nations will once again do very little and use the language of “De-escalation”
Hell, if Macron is still in office then Putin might get a phone call to express French disappointment.
This will just cause more cracks in western political and military alliances which will eventually create the right environment for the invasion of Lithuania and Latvia.
If ruzzians get victory in Ukraine, what will stop them ? At that time they will have the strongest army. Whole Europe depends on the us security guarantees. He may not attack, just make a deal. Who would want to have war with ruzzia if we can simply hive some land inhabited with ruzzians? The same way Ukraine was given to ruzzians two years ago.
This is kind of my mentality; even the things like “little green men” or cross border raids just to antagonise won’t work, as the moment it’s hinted that some “little green men” are present in any NATO country, especially the Baltics, then their own militaries & the NATO forces stationed within would be crushing them within a heartbeat.
People forget that almost every NATO member’s armed forces is way ahead of what Ukraine had at it’s disposal in 2014, as their armed forces genuinely were in a dire stage.
Putin and his cronies are delusional but they are not stupid. Attacking NATO would, at best, end in a swift Russian defeat by conventional means, and at worst a nuclear war where everyone loses and Russia is wiped off the map.
Not now, but if France get out of NATO and Trump is the new president of SUA?
Russia and NATO are like two bullies who have mutual agreement, they only attack weaker countries…
putin can only attack Russia citizens such as females, adults and unaggressive males and pensioners.
Of course not. Not unless he’s attacked first, but he’s cornered, and we keep getting further involved in Ukraine. There’ll come a point where instead of homegrown Ukrainian soldiers being killed, it’ll be uniformed NATO soldiers in the trenches & at some point he’ll be “You know what, enough of the charade. Fuck off or we’re at war”. A decision will have to be made.
Note that in every case where we’ve almost ended up in WW3 during the Cold War era, it was a Russian or in one case East German who took the reasonable route & went “Hey, we need to stop”. We keep edging closer & closer, & fucking around – Cuba, Able Archer ’83, the Norwegian Missile Incident. We need to give him an honourable out somehow.
i remember putin himself admitting such a thing would mean russian defeat and that he is not stupid. BUT lets keep in mind that NEVER did Russia have a good period in history. and that in any Russian presidents’ eyes; Russian soldiers lives are equivalent to mosquito lives
I completely agree. The amount of fearmongering that is ongoing in the last few weeks is beyond insane.
The only sole reason Putin dared to attack Ukraine is simply because Ukraine had no defensive alliances set up. Being in EU/NATO have been never more important than now.
Even just the idea that US, GB, France or Germany might (or might not) lands unit, uses proper attack platforms to support, or even nukes is deterrence enough in itself.
This constant idea that Putin will take the three small countries at the Baltic makes no sense, even worse is the idea that Sweden of all the countries will be attacked without being in NATO.
Clickbait hunting is started going off the rail lately.
And make no mistake, i’m not saying we shouldn’t prepare, or update our armies, and recheck where we are, but the idea that Putin is going to attack NATO in the next few years is simply unfathomable.
He does not dare to attack… simple is that. He knows that if he does, then he’ll get soulraped by several seal teams in the middle of the night while his armies getting annihilated on the fields.
Probably true, but then again there was also no chance he was going to attack Ukraine as well, so…
I think the question should be not “if” but “when”
For those who are sure that NATO will destroy Russia in 2-3 days.
Putin won’t go head-on, he’s not a complete idiot. For this to happen, several things must happen.
He can wait for the United States to leave NATO, or for Trump to try to destabilize the situation. After capturing Ukraine and Moldova, he will have a huge population resource for mobilization + a working military machine.
Then you can destabilize the situation in the Baltic countries by creating a hybrid war there, because they are filled with Russians + bribe some politicians. NATO troops will not go to exterminate their own citizens, so here the European Union with its policy of appeasement may show weakness. + there is a possibility that, threatening with a nuclear strike, these little green men may well gain a foothold in some kind of quasi-republic. Then, thanks to Fico and Orban, destabilize the situation in the European Union by vetoing all decisions.
In addition, NATO’s military power has been collapsing over the past 30 years; now they can’t even make a million shells on time.
So, undoubtedly, the Russians will lose against NATO, but this will not be fun for anyone, so we need to prepare for the worst, build up military power, and help Ukraine, which can generally end all this by receiving the necessary weapons.
Finally, someone talking sense. Russia is crazy to attack Ukraine, but it would be suicidal to attack NATO. A depleted military, and they would operate against complete NATO air supreamacy. Zero chance to accomplish anything except lose tons of men and equipment for zero gains.
All this talk is internal to NATO to push members to fund their militaries, especially with the real possibility of the US pulling out if Trump were to win in November.