I thought we knew for ages that barely any rapists ever got convictions? Like this has been a thing for decades.
Change how crimes are recorded, and more crimes get recorded.
If there isn’t the evidence to charge/summons someone, then there isn’t the evidence.
How many crimes are solved with an Out of Court Resolution?
8.5m crimes reported, 2.2m with no suspect identified.
Crime could be solved in less than a year if we introduced strict mandatory minimum sentencing of 10 years for burglary, robbery, knife crime. The vast majority of serious crime is committed by a small number of young men who are allowed to perpetually offend because the liberals in charge of sentencing policy genuinely believe that the shortest sentences possible are the biggest deterrent, and so we let violent criminals off the hook repeatedly.
10 year mandatory minimums would very quickly hoover up the serious offenders and they wouldn’t be able to reoffend because they would be in prison.
*Unfortunately* both the Tories and Labour buy into the idea of soft sentencing, so the rampant crime will continue for some while yet.
It’s hard to evidence. But in a crown court with good evidence, you’ll get a prosecution. It’s all about evidence. The percentage makes no difference either. Not everyone prosecuted is guilty.
I eep seeing all these headlines, and then checking my bank account, and thinking it’s probably worth it to just take up some kind of crime as a side hustle at this point.
We need to scrap jury’s for certain crimes like rape.
Yeah but lock up NON VIOLENT protestors using draconian protest laws, why dontcha?
Ripe breeding ground for facism. But keep acting like there is no colour or that some groups are more likely to commit these crimes.
So sick of the elites in this country letting everything go to shit because they can’t be arsed to do their job, and plundering as much money from public as they can.
All while giving BS excuses for anything and everything that has the slightest tinge of personal responsibility
My friend face this…The CPS told her to stay away from Court. She went without them knowing to fin out a false statement had been issused where she had accepted the attack on her could have been an accident….She had been hit from behind she never saw it coming.
She had to stand up in call and call BS to the shock and horror of the judge but she got a retrial…But then they attempted the same stunt even though this time she was there. It blew up when what they claimed required my friend to have signed a written plea bargain but no such thing existed. And that was the CPS, not the defense!!! In the end the CPS did not get away with it…but in the midst of this he had also been on trial for several other disgusting crimes which got lost in this whole debacle and the total time he spent in prison for 3 major crimes and several minor ones was paltry. Oh and here’s the kicker…She only found she had been raped, while unconscious, after the trial. No one bothered to tell her…She only learned of it when she finally got to see the report the paramedics wrote…When she woke up after the she was more concerned with her broken neck to consider anything else. So the CPS still got away with plenty in the end, they had to have known.
The headline seems a bit like clickbait. Being let off the hook would imply they committed the crime in the first place, maybe they did, maybe they didn’t.
It almost as if there is strange correlation into funding/resourcing and the way it links to the solve rate for crime?
Surely we’re not suggesting that a service that have been cut to the bone, have been reduced by tens of thousands of officers and suffer daily political incursions are less likely to do well???
Makes no sense to me
I’ve always thought that burglars are probably only ever arrested for a very small percentage of crimes they commit, and then only ever convicted for a small percentage of those they are arrested for. So when they eventually get a lenient sentence at court for a burglary, in reality they have probably broken into dozens of homes.
Rape is a difficult crime to secure a conviction as it is, let alone get it to court, since most cases evidence isn’t always clear-cut.
Burglary too can be if they’re careful enough to cover their face, leave no DNA behind, wear something that doesn’t leave much of an identifiable footprint, and don’t do something daft like bring a phone with them.
Many cases devolve to circumstantial evidence in court, or that police or the CPS believe they don’t have enough evidence to secure a conviction and so the case gets dropped
We have some of the most invasive monitoring in the world and have CCTV nearly everywhere you go but such a low rate of prosecution. The whole point of allowing such measures are to supposedly prevent such things yet it feels like we’re not getting any benefit.
I know it’s most likely due to police funding and numbers but it’s a bit depressing we can’t utilise this surveillance well if it’s already in place.
Say something offensive and see how lenient the police are. Totally sick priorities.
Everytime you hear a story about a rape investigation by the police, the most common line is a PC saying to the victim “it’s hard to get a conviction” “we only proceed where a prosecution is likely” or some variant.
It’s a self-sustaining loop. Police discourage survivors from pressing charges, this lowers the number of prosecutions, police use low prosecutions to justify discouraging survivors and on and on it goes.
If it was rich and powerful men getting raped, you can bet your ass they’d get prosecutions. Justice for all doesn’t exist in Britain.
Sick people are always going to be about and there’s going to be a lot more as the wellbeing of our nation continues to spiral.
There needs to be multiple approaches to decreasing the crime in the first place.
Maybe campaigns to help people become more realistic about how much danger they may be in based on scenarios and locations.
I know someone who has been stalked and harassed for months, they even trashed his elderly father’s car, we know who it is but the police won’t even investigate despite there being piblicly available evidence posted on their facebook page. The police seem intent to breach the law as much as possible, they have been refusing to provide updates on the case to the victim support service, despite legally being required to. The crimes are technically terrorism (in the plain, rather than legal sense) related because it has been done against him by the local anti-immigrant lot who dislike that he’s been involved with some local refugee organisations and are trying to scare him away (which he has had to do for the safety of his daughter)
Seems people like to keep flogging Police when the real shortcomings are the CPS, Prison Service and Courts. Police cannot charge these offences without the CPS’ authority. Criminals being let back onto the streets because prisons are literally full. Police being scapegoated again for other agencies and government departments shortcomings.
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I thought we knew for ages that barely any rapists ever got convictions? Like this has been a thing for decades.
Change how crimes are recorded, and more crimes get recorded.
If there isn’t the evidence to charge/summons someone, then there isn’t the evidence.
How many crimes are solved with an Out of Court Resolution?
8.5m crimes reported, 2.2m with no suspect identified.
Crime could be solved in less than a year if we introduced strict mandatory minimum sentencing of 10 years for burglary, robbery, knife crime. The vast majority of serious crime is committed by a small number of young men who are allowed to perpetually offend because the liberals in charge of sentencing policy genuinely believe that the shortest sentences possible are the biggest deterrent, and so we let violent criminals off the hook repeatedly.
10 year mandatory minimums would very quickly hoover up the serious offenders and they wouldn’t be able to reoffend because they would be in prison.
*Unfortunately* both the Tories and Labour buy into the idea of soft sentencing, so the rampant crime will continue for some while yet.
It’s hard to evidence. But in a crown court with good evidence, you’ll get a prosecution. It’s all about evidence. The percentage makes no difference either. Not everyone prosecuted is guilty.
I eep seeing all these headlines, and then checking my bank account, and thinking it’s probably worth it to just take up some kind of crime as a side hustle at this point.
We need to scrap jury’s for certain crimes like rape.
Yeah but lock up NON VIOLENT protestors using draconian protest laws, why dontcha?
Ripe breeding ground for facism. But keep acting like there is no colour or that some groups are more likely to commit these crimes.
So sick of the elites in this country letting everything go to shit because they can’t be arsed to do their job, and plundering as much money from public as they can.
All while giving BS excuses for anything and everything that has the slightest tinge of personal responsibility
My friend face this…The CPS told her to stay away from Court. She went without them knowing to fin out a false statement had been issused where she had accepted the attack on her could have been an accident….She had been hit from behind she never saw it coming.
She had to stand up in call and call BS to the shock and horror of the judge but she got a retrial…But then they attempted the same stunt even though this time she was there. It blew up when what they claimed required my friend to have signed a written plea bargain but no such thing existed. And that was the CPS, not the defense!!! In the end the CPS did not get away with it…but in the midst of this he had also been on trial for several other disgusting crimes which got lost in this whole debacle and the total time he spent in prison for 3 major crimes and several minor ones was paltry. Oh and here’s the kicker…She only found she had been raped, while unconscious, after the trial. No one bothered to tell her…She only learned of it when she finally got to see the report the paramedics wrote…When she woke up after the she was more concerned with her broken neck to consider anything else. So the CPS still got away with plenty in the end, they had to have known.
The headline seems a bit like clickbait. Being let off the hook would imply they committed the crime in the first place, maybe they did, maybe they didn’t.
It almost as if there is strange correlation into funding/resourcing and the way it links to the solve rate for crime?
Surely we’re not suggesting that a service that have been cut to the bone, have been reduced by tens of thousands of officers and suffer daily political incursions are less likely to do well???
Makes no sense to me
I’ve always thought that burglars are probably only ever arrested for a very small percentage of crimes they commit, and then only ever convicted for a small percentage of those they are arrested for. So when they eventually get a lenient sentence at court for a burglary, in reality they have probably broken into dozens of homes.
Rape is a difficult crime to secure a conviction as it is, let alone get it to court, since most cases evidence isn’t always clear-cut.
Burglary too can be if they’re careful enough to cover their face, leave no DNA behind, wear something that doesn’t leave much of an identifiable footprint, and don’t do something daft like bring a phone with them.
Many cases devolve to circumstantial evidence in court, or that police or the CPS believe they don’t have enough evidence to secure a conviction and so the case gets dropped
We have some of the most invasive monitoring in the world and have CCTV nearly everywhere you go but such a low rate of prosecution. The whole point of allowing such measures are to supposedly prevent such things yet it feels like we’re not getting any benefit.
I know it’s most likely due to police funding and numbers but it’s a bit depressing we can’t utilise this surveillance well if it’s already in place.
Say something offensive and see how lenient the police are. Totally sick priorities.
Everytime you hear a story about a rape investigation by the police, the most common line is a PC saying to the victim “it’s hard to get a conviction” “we only proceed where a prosecution is likely” or some variant.
It’s a self-sustaining loop. Police discourage survivors from pressing charges, this lowers the number of prosecutions, police use low prosecutions to justify discouraging survivors and on and on it goes.
If it was rich and powerful men getting raped, you can bet your ass they’d get prosecutions. Justice for all doesn’t exist in Britain.
Sick people are always going to be about and there’s going to be a lot more as the wellbeing of our nation continues to spiral.
There needs to be multiple approaches to decreasing the crime in the first place.
Maybe campaigns to help people become more realistic about how much danger they may be in based on scenarios and locations.
I know someone who has been stalked and harassed for months, they even trashed his elderly father’s car, we know who it is but the police won’t even investigate despite there being piblicly available evidence posted on their facebook page. The police seem intent to breach the law as much as possible, they have been refusing to provide updates on the case to the victim support service, despite legally being required to. The crimes are technically terrorism (in the plain, rather than legal sense) related because it has been done against him by the local anti-immigrant lot who dislike that he’s been involved with some local refugee organisations and are trying to scare him away (which he has had to do for the safety of his daughter)
Seems people like to keep flogging Police when the real shortcomings are the CPS, Prison Service and Courts. Police cannot charge these offences without the CPS’ authority. Criminals being let back onto the streets because prisons are literally full. Police being scapegoated again for other agencies and government departments shortcomings.
And then people like him get a four year sentance and then can go back to private tutoring kids. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13003015/amp/Monster-music-teacher-44-jailed-sickening-child-sex-offences-teach-16s-release-judge-rules.html[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13003015/amp/Monster-music-teacher-44-jailed-sickening-child-sex-offences-teach-16s-release-judge-rules.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13003015/amp/Monster-music-teacher-44-jailed-sickening-child-sex-offences-teach-16s-release-judge-rules.html)
Why mix the two. Rapes are Inherently hard to prosecute .