Why are they bringing up Jeremy Corbyn? He didn’t say anything but they are trying to stitch him up again?
A lot of Holocaust Memorial day services acknowledge “all genocides”, so obviously where that is happening Gaza should be included.
This is why Holocaust Memorial Day is important cos fuckwits like this have no idea. The Holocaust wasn’t “just” the industrialised murder of 6 million Jews along side queer people, Roma, the disabled and other groups deemed undesirable, it was a succession of individual crimes of stomach turning horror.
One such incident took place at Babi Yar in Ukraine outside Kyiv. Jewish inhabitants were ordered to assemble at 8pm on a given day otherwise they would be shot. They believed they were being resettled. Their possessions were taken, they were stripped naked and murdered in a ravine.
The following is a truck drivers description of the scene. This event systemically stripped 33,000 victims of their possessions, dignity and life. It covers 0.55% of the holocaust’s victims.
*Once undressed, they were led into the ravine which was about 150 metres long and 30 metres wide and a good 15 metres deep … When they reached the bottom of the ravine they were seized by members of the Schutzpolizei and made to lie down on top of Jews who had already been shot … The corpses were literally in layers. A police marksman came along and shot each Jew in the neck with a submachine gun … I saw these marksmen stand on layers of corpses and shoot one after the other … The marksman would walk across the bodies of the executed Jews to the next Jew, who had meanwhile lain down, and shoot him.*
This person does not understand that the murder of 6m people was not the beginning but the end product of over a decade of systematic hate.
The [statement of commitment](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Memorial_Day_(UK)) for HMD in the UK was created after the Stockholm Declaration was agreed. It is a simplified version of the Stockholm Declaration, and includes a commitment to remember all victims of Nazi Persecution, **and victims of all genocides**:
– We recognise that the Holocaust shook the foundations of modern civilisation. Its unprecedented character and horror will always hold universal meaning.
– We believe the Holocaust must have a permanent place in our nation’s collective memory. We honour the survivors still with us, and reaffirm our shared goals of mutual understanding and justice.
– We must make sure that future generations understand the causes of the Holocaust and reflect upon its consequences. We vow to remember the victims of Nazi persecution and of all genocide.
– We value the sacrifices of those who have risked their lives to protect or rescue victims, as a touchstone of the human capacity for good in the face of evil.
**- We recognise that humanity is still scarred by the belief that race, religion, disability or sexuality make some people’s lives worth less than others’. Genocide, antisemitism, racism, xenophobia and discrimination still continue. We have a shared responsibility to fight these evils.**
**- We pledge to strengthen our efforts to promote education and research about the Holocaust and other genocide. We will do our utmost to make sure that the lessons of such events are fully learnt.**
– We will continue to encourage Holocaust remembrance by holding an annual Holocaust Memorial Day. **We condemn the evils of prejudice, discrimination and racism. We value a free, tolerant, and democratic society.**
What she has said is not incompatible at all with the commitment and intent of Holocaust Memorial Day.
Edited to add link
Can you imagine if, on Juneteenth, someone from the Jewish community was like “this is about the slavery of ALL people throughout history, like Jews in ancient Egypt”? Yet people think it’s fine to weaponise Jewish trauma and Jewish trauma alone.
It doesn’t matter why they will be talking about you. It only matters that they will be talking.
The robust denial of genocide from anyone supporting the actions of Israel is absolutely mental. This is definitely leading to a larger scale war.
Some of the comments on here read like we’re playing top trumps: genocide edition
I tend to agree. The Palestinians should have their own Memorial Day sometime in the near future when it has finally been recognised that much of the world stood by and allowed another Holocaust to happen.
I hate this trend in which things get labelled simply by someone thinking of the worst possible term and applying it to a lesser situation, like if someone is disagreed with even in a minor way racially or somehow even with the Gender argument they often get labelled a Nazi by the other side, now we’ve got people comparing an undeniably horrible situation for the people of Gaza to the Holocaust?
What’s happening in Gaza is horrible, But, as far as I’m aware Israel has no system of trains shipping as many Palestinian men women & children as possible to extermination camps where they are put into gas chambers – where upto 15,000 Jewish people were “exterminated” per day & cremated by this system during the Holocaust.
So, Let’s not let the Israel/Gaza War in which neither side is backing down despite the horrible things occurring be aligned with the Holocaust.
Well, of course it should recognise it!
What? Because Israeli lobby groups, with dirty money, poison political discourse both here and across the pond, we should allow them to carry-out their own holocaust whilst we say nothing?
Nope! I hope Bibi is happy he is making life harder for normal Jewish people in this country.
I just got to love how everyone thinks this is a black and white issue.
Hamas is a legitimately elected government that HAS committed atrocities
Israel has a semi legitimate government and IS commiting warcrimes and genocide while using their grandparents suffering as just cause
Neither side has clean hands here. To propose that either side is right or justified just shows your lack of understanding.
Why not have the recognition on the Nakba Memorial Day? There’s already a day for remembering Palestinian Disasters
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“and a former frontbencher under Jeremy Corbyn”
Massive, enormous surprise.
Why are they bringing up Jeremy Corbyn? He didn’t say anything but they are trying to stitch him up again?
A lot of Holocaust Memorial day services acknowledge “all genocides”, so obviously where that is happening Gaza should be included.
This is why Holocaust Memorial Day is important cos fuckwits like this have no idea. The Holocaust wasn’t “just” the industrialised murder of 6 million Jews along side queer people, Roma, the disabled and other groups deemed undesirable, it was a succession of individual crimes of stomach turning horror.
One such incident took place at Babi Yar in Ukraine outside Kyiv. Jewish inhabitants were ordered to assemble at 8pm on a given day otherwise they would be shot. They believed they were being resettled. Their possessions were taken, they were stripped naked and murdered in a ravine.
The following is a truck drivers description of the scene. This event systemically stripped 33,000 victims of their possessions, dignity and life. It covers 0.55% of the holocaust’s victims.
*Once undressed, they were led into the ravine which was about 150 metres long and 30 metres wide and a good 15 metres deep … When they reached the bottom of the ravine they were seized by members of the Schutzpolizei and made to lie down on top of Jews who had already been shot … The corpses were literally in layers. A police marksman came along and shot each Jew in the neck with a submachine gun … I saw these marksmen stand on layers of corpses and shoot one after the other … The marksman would walk across the bodies of the executed Jews to the next Jew, who had meanwhile lain down, and shoot him.*
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar
This person does not understand that the murder of 6m people was not the beginning but the end product of over a decade of systematic hate.
The [statement of commitment](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Memorial_Day_(UK)) for HMD in the UK was created after the Stockholm Declaration was agreed. It is a simplified version of the Stockholm Declaration, and includes a commitment to remember all victims of Nazi Persecution, **and victims of all genocides**:
– We recognise that the Holocaust shook the foundations of modern civilisation. Its unprecedented character and horror will always hold universal meaning.
– We believe the Holocaust must have a permanent place in our nation’s collective memory. We honour the survivors still with us, and reaffirm our shared goals of mutual understanding and justice.
– We must make sure that future generations understand the causes of the Holocaust and reflect upon its consequences. We vow to remember the victims of Nazi persecution and of all genocide.
– We value the sacrifices of those who have risked their lives to protect or rescue victims, as a touchstone of the human capacity for good in the face of evil.
**- We recognise that humanity is still scarred by the belief that race, religion, disability or sexuality make some people’s lives worth less than others’. Genocide, antisemitism, racism, xenophobia and discrimination still continue. We have a shared responsibility to fight these evils.**
**- We pledge to strengthen our efforts to promote education and research about the Holocaust and other genocide. We will do our utmost to make sure that the lessons of such events are fully learnt.**
– We will continue to encourage Holocaust remembrance by holding an annual Holocaust Memorial Day. **We condemn the evils of prejudice, discrimination and racism. We value a free, tolerant, and democratic society.**
What she has said is not incompatible at all with the commitment and intent of Holocaust Memorial Day.
Edited to add link
Can you imagine if, on Juneteenth, someone from the Jewish community was like “this is about the slavery of ALL people throughout history, like Jews in ancient Egypt”? Yet people think it’s fine to weaponise Jewish trauma and Jewish trauma alone.
It doesn’t matter why they will be talking about you. It only matters that they will be talking.
The robust denial of genocide from anyone supporting the actions of Israel is absolutely mental. This is definitely leading to a larger scale war.
Some of the comments on here read like we’re playing top trumps: genocide edition
I tend to agree. The Palestinians should have their own Memorial Day sometime in the near future when it has finally been recognised that much of the world stood by and allowed another Holocaust to happen.
I hate this trend in which things get labelled simply by someone thinking of the worst possible term and applying it to a lesser situation, like if someone is disagreed with even in a minor way racially or somehow even with the Gender argument they often get labelled a Nazi by the other side, now we’ve got people comparing an undeniably horrible situation for the people of Gaza to the Holocaust?
What’s happening in Gaza is horrible, But, as far as I’m aware Israel has no system of trains shipping as many Palestinian men women & children as possible to extermination camps where they are put into gas chambers – where upto 15,000 Jewish people were “exterminated” per day & cremated by this system during the Holocaust.
So, Let’s not let the Israel/Gaza War in which neither side is backing down despite the horrible things occurring be aligned with the Holocaust.
Well, of course it should recognise it!
What? Because Israeli lobby groups, with dirty money, poison political discourse both here and across the pond, we should allow them to carry-out their own holocaust whilst we say nothing?
Nope! I hope Bibi is happy he is making life harder for normal Jewish people in this country.
I just got to love how everyone thinks this is a black and white issue.
Hamas is a legitimately elected government that HAS committed atrocities
Israel has a semi legitimate government and IS commiting warcrimes and genocide while using their grandparents suffering as just cause
Neither side has clean hands here. To propose that either side is right or justified just shows your lack of understanding.
Why not have the recognition on the Nakba Memorial Day? There’s already a day for remembering Palestinian Disasters
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