„Ich bin eine absolute Japanerin“: Das in der Ukraine geborene Model löst eine Debatte aus, indem es den Miss-Japan-Wettbewerb gewinnt

by EriDxD

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  2. It’s bringing up a great conversation on Japanese identity.

    She’s just a Japanese as any if you read her story, and many half Japanese do struggle with their identity so I’m glad she is bringing this to the forefront and doing it with grace and beauty.

    Edit: the title only mentions she’s Ukrainian born but fails to mention she is half Japanese or lived most of her life in Japan. OP why did you leave out those details?

    Edit 2: per the rules, OP is using the same as the article title. My question should be to the original author, not OP

  3. >The decision to pick a winner with European heritage has raised questions about beauty standards

    Maybe consider that beauty standards are completely subjective crap?

  4. Debate was over once she was allowed to enter the contest.
    The only real debate would’ve been if she was allowed to enter, based on whatever.
    But she was allowed to enter and won, there’s no taking back.

  6. I spent a week in Japan a few years ago, and it was the only time in my life that I, a white British man, felt like an unwanted ethnic minority. It gave me a small taste of what it must be like to be a black or Asian person in somewhere like the UK.

  7. Good on her but I am surprised she won based on her looks. This might sound bitter or something but just my honest opinion

  8. Lol at the historian arguing about Japanese beauty standards while also claiming “racism is bad.” If you think only ethnically Japanese can fulfill Japanese beauty standards then you’re a fucking racist.

    It’s also funny how Japan had no problem with a half-Japanese representing the country in tennis, but when it come to a beauty pageant the pitchforks come out.

  10. She has a Japanese passport. Therefore she is Japanese. The question is settled.

    The relevant question here is: Why the heck we still have beauty pageant in 2024?

  11. Has been living there since 5 years old, speaks fluent japanese, is a naturalized citizen.

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    She’s only non-japanese to racist fucks

  12. Japan needs to have this identity crisis. In most western countries even discussing this would be seen as very racist. Can you imagine if somebody who lived in USA their whole life but had some Asian ancestry caused controversy?

  13. I have zero doubts about she being Japanese, this debate is pure xenophobia and nothing else but what I wonder is how she won, she doesn’t look beautiful in any way, I don’t get how she even made the tally

  14. Legendary baseball player Victor Starffin is Russian born baseball player whose family immigrated to Japan during the Russian Revolution. Move there when he was a baby and raised in Japan. Many Japanese fans considered as a Japanese who happened to be born in Russia.

  15. I think the people are wrong to question how Japanese she is. She has grown up in Japan and is a naturalised citizen. However, there is a legitimate debate to be had as to whether her success was down to her European features. There has been a longstanding issue of Eurocentric beauty ideals amongst some sections of Japanese society. And whether we like it or not beauty pageants are all about measuring beauty against some sort of self determined standard. It wouldn’t be too far fetched for Japanese physical features to carry more weight in a beauty pageant in Japan. Just as in a society of average height people an extremely tall person would be considered somewhat of an aberration.

  16. > “With Karolina Shiino’s appearance, an (ethnically) Japanese girl has no chance of winning under the modern values of beauty.” 

     Is this a low key jab at Japanese women saying that they ugly lol

  18. The debate is coming from the west, but it’s Japan who is racist? That same Japan that had no issues with it until west medias saw an opportunity to get your clicks?

  19. Canadian-born, Cuban, politician says, “I am definitely leaving Texas for Cancun when it gets cold here.

  21. YT takashii from Japan frequently interviews Japanese, half Japanese, both born in and outside of Japan, exactly on the topic of belonging.

    Most Japanese people are still very nationalistic (I’m not sure it’s correct term, what I mean is the care still much about a person being born and raised in Japan and both parent must be Japanese too) and shut – as in you may be welcomed to the country, but you may never be accepted as one of their own.

    To be fair, outsiders’ opinion will matter very little on this debate to the Japanese.

    However, even this trend is fading, albeit slowly. So in the end, she may be another push in the direction of change, which is good.

  22. If a conversation like this were being had in Canada (where I’m from) it would rightly be seen as racist. This ought to be perceived the same way.

  23. Japanese and Asian are not the same thing.

    White chick can be Japanese if she has a certain background.

    Just like I’ll call any Middle Eastern refugee a Scandinavian if he sees it as his home and has adopted the culture.

    He’s never gonna be white though… And if you look like a white woman, you’re not gonna be called Asian.

  24. I am Ukrainian and I don’t even find her pretty. I mean she looks healthy and fit but she wouldn’t be turning heads in Ukraine.

  26. Funny how this conversation opens up a lot of worms.

    By Japanese ideals of beauty, she would win because those ideals essentially describes a white woman. The eye shape, fair skin and all that kinda stuff.

    I’m glad this happened, lots of introspection for Japan to do here.

  27. You have allowed a trans-male into a female competition. This is nothing.

  28. Shes lived in Japan since she was 5 and didnt receive her Japanese citizenship until 2022. Ive seen interviews with her. She is Japanese. One of my best friends is Japanese and he brings this up a lot about how racist Japan is as a homogenous society and things that would be 100% cancelled in Germany (where we are from) is just completely accepted in Japan.

  29. Why the “Russia/Ukraine” tag when it’s about Japan?

  30. I think at this point it’s fair to say that pseudo left identity politics has spawned a new and very pervasive kind of nationalistic cancer.

  32. Why is it tagged “Russia/Ukraine”? What it has to do with Russia?

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