In the case of world war, I’d prefer to get nuked at home rather than abroad.
Oh no, the rise of populism has led to straight up fascism, and appeasement *hasn’t* worked?!
Who could have guessed.
Send the politicians to die first.
What part of “there is no real risk of conscription” are people not getting? This media storm started because a general was trying to get the government to recruit more soldiers.
Would land battles even happen in world war 3? Wouldn’t everyone just be nuking each other?
Still, if Putin started goose stepping further into Europe and eventually into Britain, I’d pick up a gun and I think most other people would in that situation.
What’s to fight for if you’ve got no skin in the game. Eg a home.
As with a preacher who encourages suicide attacks.
The answer to anyone calling for conscription or national service is “after you”
Why the fuck would anybody want to fight for this country?
There’s no fucking chance I’m putting my neck on the line for a country that I can’t even see a dentist in. Fuck yourselves
Hopefully we never find out, but hypothetically it would be very interesting to see how it actually played out.
Obviously now from our comfy sofas everyone is saying absolutely not.
But I imagine if we ever got to a situation the UK was at risk itself attitudes would quickly shift and for the remaining societal pressure to join would be extreme.
Historically once that pressures there the ones that avoid fighting are quickly seen as villains themselves.
I would force the politicians that are fucking everything up in this world, uniforms, a gun, and ship them off to the warzone. There would probably be less wars if it wasn’t for them.
Incidentally, these are combined figures for both men and women and there is some interesting data in the article about the different responses from men and women.
Unsurprisingly, women are less likely than men to volunteer or be willing to serve if called up.
More interestingly, woman are also more likely than men to say that women should be excluded from conscription altogether.
Make of this what you will.
I’m not from the UK but if we see the life estate of veterans in the US is very poorly and get cheated out of the health benefits (your injury is not service related) and mental trauma that no one wants to acknowledge so they don’t have to pay for it. No one wants to be like that in the current age but IF push comes to shove i bet most men will join to defend their country
Yep no way I’m fighting for this government. I’d rather be nuked at home and go out that way thanks
Abso-fucking-lutely, and I would be one of those who would outright refuse.
I’m not going to fight somebody in another country who has in no way affronted me for the sake of some bourgeois cunts tussling for more power and profit between themselves.
It’s ok: Boris wrote that he absolutely would go to war.
I’m suspicious of these figures not stating more people would refuse conscription. I’m in my mid 30’s and feel confident I know nobody my age who wouldn’t refuse.
Damn! People don’t want to be shipped off to die or suffer horrible mental and physical anguish for an avoidable war caused by factors they had no control over? Who would’ve thought?
I’m amazed this is getting so much traction. Nobody is getting conscripted, it’s inflammatory rhetoric to try and increase the military budget as we enter an election.
The more people they let in, the more they attack native Britons, the more I don’t want to fight for this country.
Guess what, if the government resorts to conscription, refusal won’t enter into it.
How does the age thing work. The cut off for joining in peace time is 32 so the first round will go to anyone 32 and under? Then when the shit really hits the fan the over 32s get called up then Dads army?
Well yeah, we’ve spent our entire lives being told that our flag is offensive and any kind of national pride is racist….. and people are surprised we have no motivation to fight and die for the place… why would we want to?
Conscription, who gives a fuck. This government couldn’t organise the proverbial brewery party.
I’d sooner barricade myself in my house and defend myself from the fellow British people trying to conscribe me than I would go to war to defend this poorly ran shit tip of a country
Who wants to fight a war when you have nothing of value to protect.
I’m not going to fight for a country that didn’t have my interests at heart for the last- nah I just don’t want to die that’s really the only reason I wouldn’t fight.
Look, if Russia or China trigger WW3, it’ll be over in 48 hours tops. No need for ground troops. Of course, if it goes nuclear, it’ll be over rather faster.
Politicians can fight it let’s see how keen they are then
Any mp that votes in a conscription must volunteer themselves first, and be deployed first
Growing up, I was told by English neighbours told me that I’m a terrorist , to go back to Ireland, despite being born in London, that I’m a thick paddy, and the TV and papers were enforcing that stereotype. My disabled kids and wife aren’t contributing to society by the current government. There’s no way I’d fight for a country that uses my heritage against me, and my family’s disabilities against them.
I’m not sure we have enough under 40s for this to be an issue.
There ain’t no chance of conscription, government already said that. This is just a shitstorm based if of one general trying to get more people to enlist.
However, hypothetically, if they did bring it back, they can shove it directly up their ass. This country and everything This government stands for can fuck itself sideways.
And before anyone goes “YoU DoNt HaVe tO StAy, WhY NoT JuSt EmIgRaTe!!!”
I plan to. Soon.
Yes and I’m proud to say I’m one of them. No way am I putting my life on the line because some bell end world leaders (and they’re all bellends) decided to fight each other. Unless Rishi or Kier are marching off to war there’s no way I’m putting my life on the line for those bozos. And I know they never will because it’s always someone else who they want to do their dirty work
Yes because throughout history conscription has been an easily avoidable thing which everybody has had a choice over.
How are those Russian widows getting on with their protests against Putin again?
no one wants to die in a hole for boomer property prices and governments that have betrayed its people by pushing mass immigration
As a white man, I’ve spent the last ten years being told I’m everything that’s wrong with Britain and British society. Despite my uncles fighting in D-Day to liberate Europe. I’d think twice about fighting for Britain. It wants me gone.
It would be interesting to see the backdown by race and religion.
For starters, the UK government not suggested they were going to conscript anyone and have stated clearly that they have no plans for conscription .
Judging by the performance of the Russian military in Ukraine, it seems likely that if they got into a war with NATO, it would quickly degrade to nuclear weapons flying in both directions and conscription would be irrelevant.
The thing about conscription is that it is compulsory – you don’t get to refuse. A lot of guys in Ukraine have attempted to avoid conscription but when found, they are forcibly carted away. Those with enough money have either acquired paperwork for a medical exemption or have bribed a few relevant people.
There’s soft arses refusing to go back to the office never mind go to war.
I’m actually really surprised by this. People are saying things like “there’s nothing to fight for” or “why would I help when my country has done nothing for me”.
But hypothetically if this was a repeat of WW2, then are we seriously saying we would refuse to take up arms against the Nazis because the housing market is too inflated? Near every citizen of the country should still be heavily incentivised to win this war for the simple future of our children and ideals no?
But I guess ‘country isn’t perfect so I refuse to defend it against anyone, even the Nazis’ is a common view now
The problem is, it’s too late now. You all voted in politicians that led us to this weakened position. Brexit has played into the hands of Russia and likely emboldened them to attack Ukraine. So whether you agree to fight or not, the fight is coming to us and this idea of “ I look after me and my own “ should’ve really extended beyond your own front lawn.
Because it’ll be “your own” that’ll be conscripted to fight in the event of a larger conflict in Europe.
What a state this country is in. A single mention of it by a general to highlight the poor state of recruitment and government cuts and the nation turns into a hysterical mess.
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In the case of world war, I’d prefer to get nuked at home rather than abroad.
Oh no, the rise of populism has led to straight up fascism, and appeasement *hasn’t* worked?!
Who could have guessed.
Send the politicians to die first.
What part of “there is no real risk of conscription” are people not getting? This media storm started because a general was trying to get the government to recruit more soldiers.
Would land battles even happen in world war 3? Wouldn’t everyone just be nuking each other?
Still, if Putin started goose stepping further into Europe and eventually into Britain, I’d pick up a gun and I think most other people would in that situation.
What’s to fight for if you’ve got no skin in the game. Eg a home.
As with a preacher who encourages suicide attacks.
The answer to anyone calling for conscription or national service is “after you”
Why the fuck would anybody want to fight for this country?
There’s no fucking chance I’m putting my neck on the line for a country that I can’t even see a dentist in. Fuck yourselves
Hopefully we never find out, but hypothetically it would be very interesting to see how it actually played out.
Obviously now from our comfy sofas everyone is saying absolutely not.
But I imagine if we ever got to a situation the UK was at risk itself attitudes would quickly shift and for the remaining societal pressure to join would be extreme.
Historically once that pressures there the ones that avoid fighting are quickly seen as villains themselves.
I would force the politicians that are fucking everything up in this world, uniforms, a gun, and ship them off to the warzone. There would probably be less wars if it wasn’t for them.
Incidentally, these are combined figures for both men and women and there is some interesting data in the article about the different responses from men and women.
Unsurprisingly, women are less likely than men to volunteer or be willing to serve if called up.
More interestingly, woman are also more likely than men to say that women should be excluded from conscription altogether.
Make of this what you will.
I’m not from the UK but if we see the life estate of veterans in the US is very poorly and get cheated out of the health benefits (your injury is not service related) and mental trauma that no one wants to acknowledge so they don’t have to pay for it. No one wants to be like that in the current age but IF push comes to shove i bet most men will join to defend their country
Yep no way I’m fighting for this government. I’d rather be nuked at home and go out that way thanks
Abso-fucking-lutely, and I would be one of those who would outright refuse.
I’m not going to fight somebody in another country who has in no way affronted me for the sake of some bourgeois cunts tussling for more power and profit between themselves.
It’s ok: Boris wrote that he absolutely would go to war.
I’m suspicious of these figures not stating more people would refuse conscription. I’m in my mid 30’s and feel confident I know nobody my age who wouldn’t refuse.
Damn! People don’t want to be shipped off to die or suffer horrible mental and physical anguish for an avoidable war caused by factors they had no control over? Who would’ve thought?
I’m amazed this is getting so much traction. Nobody is getting conscripted, it’s inflammatory rhetoric to try and increase the military budget as we enter an election.
The more people they let in, the more they attack native Britons, the more I don’t want to fight for this country.
Guess what, if the government resorts to conscription, refusal won’t enter into it.
How does the age thing work. The cut off for joining in peace time is 32 so the first round will go to anyone 32 and under? Then when the shit really hits the fan the over 32s get called up then Dads army?
Well yeah, we’ve spent our entire lives being told that our flag is offensive and any kind of national pride is racist….. and people are surprised we have no motivation to fight and die for the place… why would we want to?
Conscription, who gives a fuck. This government couldn’t organise the proverbial brewery party.
I’d sooner barricade myself in my house and defend myself from the fellow British people trying to conscribe me than I would go to war to defend this poorly ran shit tip of a country
Who wants to fight a war when you have nothing of value to protect.
I’m not going to fight for a country that didn’t have my interests at heart for the last- nah I just don’t want to die that’s really the only reason I wouldn’t fight.
Look, if Russia or China trigger WW3, it’ll be over in 48 hours tops. No need for ground troops. Of course, if it goes nuclear, it’ll be over rather faster.
Politicians can fight it let’s see how keen they are then
Any mp that votes in a conscription must volunteer themselves first, and be deployed first
Growing up, I was told by English neighbours told me that I’m a terrorist , to go back to Ireland, despite being born in London, that I’m a thick paddy, and the TV and papers were enforcing that stereotype. My disabled kids and wife aren’t contributing to society by the current government. There’s no way I’d fight for a country that uses my heritage against me, and my family’s disabilities against them.
I’m not sure we have enough under 40s for this to be an issue.
There ain’t no chance of conscription, government already said that. This is just a shitstorm based if of one general trying to get more people to enlist.
However, hypothetically, if they did bring it back, they can shove it directly up their ass. This country and everything This government stands for can fuck itself sideways.
And before anyone goes “YoU DoNt HaVe tO StAy, WhY NoT JuSt EmIgRaTe!!!”
I plan to. Soon.
Yes and I’m proud to say I’m one of them. No way am I putting my life on the line because some bell end world leaders (and they’re all bellends) decided to fight each other. Unless Rishi or Kier are marching off to war there’s no way I’m putting my life on the line for those bozos. And I know they never will because it’s always someone else who they want to do their dirty work
Yes because throughout history conscription has been an easily avoidable thing which everybody has had a choice over.
How are those Russian widows getting on with their protests against Putin again?
no one wants to die in a hole for boomer property prices and governments that have betrayed its people by pushing mass immigration
As a white man, I’ve spent the last ten years being told I’m everything that’s wrong with Britain and British society. Despite my uncles fighting in D-Day to liberate Europe. I’d think twice about fighting for Britain. It wants me gone.
It would be interesting to see the backdown by race and religion.
For starters, the UK government not suggested they were going to conscript anyone and have stated clearly that they have no plans for conscription .
Judging by the performance of the Russian military in Ukraine, it seems likely that if they got into a war with NATO, it would quickly degrade to nuclear weapons flying in both directions and conscription would be irrelevant.
The thing about conscription is that it is compulsory – you don’t get to refuse. A lot of guys in Ukraine have attempted to avoid conscription but when found, they are forcibly carted away. Those with enough money have either acquired paperwork for a medical exemption or have bribed a few relevant people.
There’s soft arses refusing to go back to the office never mind go to war.
I’m actually really surprised by this. People are saying things like “there’s nothing to fight for” or “why would I help when my country has done nothing for me”.
But hypothetically if this was a repeat of WW2, then are we seriously saying we would refuse to take up arms against the Nazis because the housing market is too inflated? Near every citizen of the country should still be heavily incentivised to win this war for the simple future of our children and ideals no?
But I guess ‘country isn’t perfect so I refuse to defend it against anyone, even the Nazis’ is a common view now
The problem is, it’s too late now. You all voted in politicians that led us to this weakened position. Brexit has played into the hands of Russia and likely emboldened them to attack Ukraine. So whether you agree to fight or not, the fight is coming to us and this idea of “ I look after me and my own “ should’ve really extended beyond your own front lawn.
Because it’ll be “your own” that’ll be conscripted to fight in the event of a larger conflict in Europe.
What a state this country is in. A single mention of it by a general to highlight the poor state of recruitment and government cuts and the nation turns into a hysterical mess.