I’m born in 1993 and it’s evident that feminism evolved to a woman’s advocacy movement, and does not fight for equality.
I’ve noticed this. A lot of younger folks seem vehemently anti-feminist. Some of them give MRA or incel vibes, but not all of them.
From their explanations, they seem to take umbrage at the way they feel unfairly attacked by feminists, but it’s hard to tell how much of that is real and how much is bias coloring their perceptions. Certainly the way they describe feminists is not the experience I’ve had with feminists, but that doesn’t mean they’re wrong. It could just be that they’re interacting with feminists closer to their own age, who might behave differently from older feminists. I should perhaps find some GenZer feminists and listen to what they have to say.
Or it could be something like what this article suggests, that they haven’t actually met many (any?) feminists, and are just accepting influencers’ bad-faith rhetoric at face value.
They have more experience of first and second-wave feminism. This was actually feminism and very beneficial. The forth-wave feminism we have now is not feminism.
Gen Z out here not supporting feminism and denying the Holocaust. Pretty disappointing.
Might be because Boomers saw the good variant of feminism: one where we treat men and women equally.
Gen Z saw the toxic variant of it, where all men are pigs.
Yeah that happens when you unironically tweet #killallmen
Society has moved on for women but it hasn’t really for men; e.g. its good that women work but men must still be providers. Women frequently criticise men for things if we dare to do its a massive faux pas. To a lot of people who have grown up in a less sexist world they just see inconsistencies and disadvantages rather than “righting of past errors”. Also if we are talking about modern day feminism where everything is the fault of “straight white men” then yeah it is harmful. Just soundbites and simplification
As a guy I think it has to do with many Gen z guys being brainwashed by trash Right wing media.
I think this might be because some “feminists” interpretation of feminism is harmful. There’s a segment that is anti-man or believes that men are inherently toxic. Feminism is actually about gender equality and should be beneficial to men and women alike, but some toxic “feminists” put a bad taste in folks mouth for the movement. It’s unfortunate.
My zero research answer;
1. they have no experience of the world prior to feminist advances.
2. social media is being both deliberately and incidentally weaponized, and Gen Z gets most of its info there.
3. how much “male privilege” have Gen Z males had? Not much as far as I see, yet they have just spent all their school and university years being told that they are the problem, that they have to be handicapped and held back, etc. etc. which is bound to leave hard feelings.
My daughter is 13. She’s told me recently (unprompted mind you) that all the boys in her class talk about is Andrew Tate.
At 13.
It’s because they are bombarded with messages from modern feminists like “masculinity is toxic” and “men are the problem” etc.
Both statements are untrue.
Old school feminism where they fought for equal rights was great. The nonsense we are left with today is just misandry.
It’s because rather than elevating standards for women to the level of men, everything has become shitter for everyone. Crappy wages and worker’s rights, the housing shortage and cost of living crisis has nothing to do with feminism but the rampant neoliberal capitalist ideology of the last 30-40 years. But blaming it on women getting rights is so much easier.
Algorithms that promote psychopathic narcissistic behaviour promote narcissistic psychos?
How is this news. Get your kids off devices if you don’t want to them exposed.
I had a discussion about this the other night with my wife. One of the issues is that the struggle women have gone through to get anywhere near equality is not known/understood by gen z.
You don’t have to look too far back, such as the 90s lad culture, to see every day sexism being main stream. While the publishers of magazines like Loaded would have said it was ironic, the reality was a reaction against feminism.
Gender identity and politics have become a high profile discussion point.
The patriarchy is blamed for much of the problems but young men do not feel they benefit from this, while the are told they have advantages. Tate, Rogan and Peterson et al play up to this to get clicks and money.
Genz also like to get scammed online like baby boomers
If you look at the actual figures it’s 16% for men 16-29, 15% for men 30-59 and 13% for men 60+.
I would say it’s basically the same size subset of men of whatever age.
Can’t blame them when they grow up being told they’re the reason for everything bad in the world 💅
Not super surprising. Many of the “liberal” women I know sling the term “yt male” almost as a slur. Bound to be a negative reaction to this villianification of all things male, particularly white and male.
Young men unfortunately do not have a lot of positive male role models to look up to like women have female role models to look up to, nor are they ever told they are enough, that they are perfect the way they are and that they are kings etc like women do. This means that regrettably they look up to people like Andrew Tate.
I think these kids have been robbed of real social interaction from their overly protective gen X parents and then right into the pandemic. Andrew Tate and other assholes have basically hijacked the situation and made it appear to be something it isn’t. The women and girls are equally as lonely. None of these kids are hanging out with each other the way any of us older generations did.
I saw a post on like r/stupidquestions the other day where someone was asking if kids actually went and hung out with their friends all day in the 80’s.. I think they don’t really even see that concept as realistic in a lot of cases.
This will come as a shocking surprise to the entirety of the population that has been living under a rock for the past 10 years.
During those 10 years feminism has become increasingly more toxic, increasingly more hypocritical on it’s positions and taking increasingly more ridiculous fights. It was inevitable that people would start stepping away from it.
This plays into the male loneliness epidemic, and the habit of the online left to dismiss male issues as non-important.
Imagine being a teen boy, confused and lonely. You reach out to online forums for advice, and you get two responses.
The left: “Why don’t you sit down, shut up, and let women and BIPOC voices air their issues? Their problems are more important than yours, after all.”
The right: “We hear you. We feel you. We agree with you. Let me introduce you to the guy who’s gonna solve all your problems: Andrew Tate.”
Not surprised at all.
Boomers experienced feminism as something positive. The main battles (voting, working, legal standing) where won, feminism was doing the final steps of establishing equality.
GenZ experienced the feminism that had already won but couldn’t stop fighting, and instead of making women equal to men had turned to putting men down. Now all men started being suspect of unspecified crimes, everything male was vilified, and everyone EXCEPT ordinary man had their pride days and pride marches or their womens’ rights movements while men were only every spoken about as something negative.
Of course GenZ boys and men see feminism harmful, because that’s what they experience from it.
I’m a member of gen Z and feel somewhat qualified to speak on this. Feminism, as taught to the boomers, was that men and women are broadly equal. Feminism as taught to me in high school and college was that women are oppressed and men (myself Included) were evil oppressors. Obviously I disagreed with this and thus disagreed with modern feminism. Doesn’t mean I disagree with the wikipedia definition that men and women should have equal rights.
Depends on what type of feminism you’re talking about. A modern feminist yesterday thought it was funny that men are self deleting…
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I’m born in 1993 and it’s evident that feminism evolved to a woman’s advocacy movement, and does not fight for equality.
I’ve noticed this. A lot of younger folks seem vehemently anti-feminist. Some of them give MRA or incel vibes, but not all of them.
From their explanations, they seem to take umbrage at the way they feel unfairly attacked by feminists, but it’s hard to tell how much of that is real and how much is bias coloring their perceptions. Certainly the way they describe feminists is not the experience I’ve had with feminists, but that doesn’t mean they’re wrong. It could just be that they’re interacting with feminists closer to their own age, who might behave differently from older feminists. I should perhaps find some GenZer feminists and listen to what they have to say.
Or it could be something like what this article suggests, that they haven’t actually met many (any?) feminists, and are just accepting influencers’ bad-faith rhetoric at face value.
They have more experience of first and second-wave feminism. This was actually feminism and very beneficial. The forth-wave feminism we have now is not feminism.
Gen Z out here not supporting feminism and denying the Holocaust. Pretty disappointing.
Might be because Boomers saw the good variant of feminism: one where we treat men and women equally.
Gen Z saw the toxic variant of it, where all men are pigs.
Yeah that happens when you unironically tweet #killallmen
Society has moved on for women but it hasn’t really for men; e.g. its good that women work but men must still be providers. Women frequently criticise men for things if we dare to do its a massive faux pas. To a lot of people who have grown up in a less sexist world they just see inconsistencies and disadvantages rather than “righting of past errors”. Also if we are talking about modern day feminism where everything is the fault of “straight white men” then yeah it is harmful. Just soundbites and simplification
As a guy I think it has to do with many Gen z guys being brainwashed by trash Right wing media.
I think this might be because some “feminists” interpretation of feminism is harmful. There’s a segment that is anti-man or believes that men are inherently toxic. Feminism is actually about gender equality and should be beneficial to men and women alike, but some toxic “feminists” put a bad taste in folks mouth for the movement. It’s unfortunate.
My zero research answer;
1. they have no experience of the world prior to feminist advances.
2. social media is being both deliberately and incidentally weaponized, and Gen Z gets most of its info there.
3. how much “male privilege” have Gen Z males had? Not much as far as I see, yet they have just spent all their school and university years being told that they are the problem, that they have to be handicapped and held back, etc. etc. which is bound to leave hard feelings.
My daughter is 13. She’s told me recently (unprompted mind you) that all the boys in her class talk about is Andrew Tate.
At 13.
It’s because they are bombarded with messages from modern feminists like “masculinity is toxic” and “men are the problem” etc.
Both statements are untrue.
Old school feminism where they fought for equal rights was great. The nonsense we are left with today is just misandry.
It’s because rather than elevating standards for women to the level of men, everything has become shitter for everyone. Crappy wages and worker’s rights, the housing shortage and cost of living crisis has nothing to do with feminism but the rampant neoliberal capitalist ideology of the last 30-40 years. But blaming it on women getting rights is so much easier.
Algorithms that promote psychopathic narcissistic behaviour promote narcissistic psychos?
How is this news. Get your kids off devices if you don’t want to them exposed.
I had a discussion about this the other night with my wife. One of the issues is that the struggle women have gone through to get anywhere near equality is not known/understood by gen z.
You don’t have to look too far back, such as the 90s lad culture, to see every day sexism being main stream. While the publishers of magazines like Loaded would have said it was ironic, the reality was a reaction against feminism.
Gender identity and politics have become a high profile discussion point.
The patriarchy is blamed for much of the problems but young men do not feel they benefit from this, while the are told they have advantages. Tate, Rogan and Peterson et al play up to this to get clicks and money.
Genz also like to get scammed online like baby boomers
If you look at the actual figures it’s 16% for men 16-29, 15% for men 30-59 and 13% for men 60+.
I would say it’s basically the same size subset of men of whatever age.
Can’t blame them when they grow up being told they’re the reason for everything bad in the world 💅
Not super surprising. Many of the “liberal” women I know sling the term “yt male” almost as a slur. Bound to be a negative reaction to this villianification of all things male, particularly white and male.
Young men unfortunately do not have a lot of positive male role models to look up to like women have female role models to look up to, nor are they ever told they are enough, that they are perfect the way they are and that they are kings etc like women do. This means that regrettably they look up to people like Andrew Tate.
I think these kids have been robbed of real social interaction from their overly protective gen X parents and then right into the pandemic. Andrew Tate and other assholes have basically hijacked the situation and made it appear to be something it isn’t. The women and girls are equally as lonely. None of these kids are hanging out with each other the way any of us older generations did.
I saw a post on like r/stupidquestions the other day where someone was asking if kids actually went and hung out with their friends all day in the 80’s.. I think they don’t really even see that concept as realistic in a lot of cases.
This will come as a shocking surprise to the entirety of the population that has been living under a rock for the past 10 years.
During those 10 years feminism has become increasingly more toxic, increasingly more hypocritical on it’s positions and taking increasingly more ridiculous fights. It was inevitable that people would start stepping away from it.
This plays into the male loneliness epidemic, and the habit of the online left to dismiss male issues as non-important.
Imagine being a teen boy, confused and lonely. You reach out to online forums for advice, and you get two responses.
The left: “Why don’t you sit down, shut up, and let women and BIPOC voices air their issues? Their problems are more important than yours, after all.”
The right: “We hear you. We feel you. We agree with you. Let me introduce you to the guy who’s gonna solve all your problems: Andrew Tate.”
Not surprised at all.
Boomers experienced feminism as something positive. The main battles (voting, working, legal standing) where won, feminism was doing the final steps of establishing equality.
GenZ experienced the feminism that had already won but couldn’t stop fighting, and instead of making women equal to men had turned to putting men down. Now all men started being suspect of unspecified crimes, everything male was vilified, and everyone EXCEPT ordinary man had their pride days and pride marches or their womens’ rights movements while men were only every spoken about as something negative.
Of course GenZ boys and men see feminism harmful, because that’s what they experience from it.
I’m a member of gen Z and feel somewhat qualified to speak on this. Feminism, as taught to the boomers, was that men and women are broadly equal. Feminism as taught to me in high school and college was that women are oppressed and men (myself Included) were evil oppressors. Obviously I disagreed with this and thus disagreed with modern feminism. Doesn’t mean I disagree with the wikipedia definition that men and women should have equal rights.
Depends on what type of feminism you’re talking about. A modern feminist yesterday thought it was funny that men are self deleting…