“The report added: “Crucially, the Department [for Transport] does not yet understand how HS2 will operate as a functioning railway following recent changes.”
It said issues included how the HS2 line will connect to the west coast mainline, with new trains unable to run as fast as old ones on curving tracks.”
Did they skip Thomas the Tank engine growing up? You put trains on it.
> It said issues included how the HS2 line will connect to the west coast mainline, with new trains unable to run as fast as old ones on curving tracks.
Fucking hell, so new trains that provide services on old tracks (north of Birmingham) are going to be slower than the old trains?
It is actually incredible how incomprehensibly thick this government is. Completely beyond belief. They don’t understand *anything* but they’re wrecking it anyway.
That £67bn Would be better spent on fixing all the damaged roads around the uk
Of course HS2 will work. Those lovely steam trains taking families from the midlands to London for a day out to see our new queen, possibly to Livepool for a Beatles concert… – Rees Mogg.
This has been an amazing, and horribly sad, rabbit hole!
So if my understanding is correct, the Conventional Rail Network (CRN) has the capablity of running trains upto 125mph.
These trains have been built speficially to run on the victorian era CRN. This means an overhead electric line of ‘variable height’, and the ablity to tilt into corners due to the lack of banking on corners..
HS2 Trains are designed to run on a brand new track network and have not been bulilt for the rough unbanked tracks.
There was a plan to bank CRN track, as recent studies have shown that only a 2-3^o tilt is requred for high speed running (originnally though to be much higher – but that was the result of a single study of an ancient train 60 years ago).
Still all plans to modarnise CRN were shelved as HS2 was going to carry high speed passengers and the CRN would be for slow trains.
HS2 Trains will not be able to bank, and will struggle with the electic hook up (may need an additinal pantograph).
Had the planners known HS2 was not going north then track upgrades could have added the tilit and made the hook up a consistant height.
But there we go!
Of course not! The Transport secretary knows the WCML is not going to cope with Birmingham – Manchester traffic, but guess what? They curtail the line at Handsacre and dump HS2 traffic onto the Trent valley line! Maybe if the government actually saw sense, they’d get HS2 Phase 2a out to Crewe instead of allowing development on that land so as to free up alot of WCML capacity!
They didn’t think this one through did they, they cancelled the northern leg without any apparent regard for the repercussions. Fucking criminals.
I don’t understand this? Surely just model premise of any other long rail ways?? We did it in the past? I don’t understand why we can’t do it again? Apart from politicians and higher up people behind it being incompetent?
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“The report added: “Crucially, the Department [for Transport] does not yet understand how HS2 will operate as a functioning railway following recent changes.”
It said issues included how the HS2 line will connect to the west coast mainline, with new trains unable to run as fast as old ones on curving tracks.”
Did they skip Thomas the Tank engine growing up? You put trains on it.
> It said issues included how the HS2 line will connect to the west coast mainline, with new trains unable to run as fast as old ones on curving tracks.
Fucking hell, so new trains that provide services on old tracks (north of Birmingham) are going to be slower than the old trains?
It is actually incredible how incomprehensibly thick this government is. Completely beyond belief. They don’t understand *anything* but they’re wrecking it anyway.
That £67bn Would be better spent on fixing all the damaged roads around the uk
Of course HS2 will work. Those lovely steam trains taking families from the midlands to London for a day out to see our new queen, possibly to Livepool for a Beatles concert… – Rees Mogg.
This has been an amazing, and horribly sad, rabbit hole!
So if my understanding is correct, the Conventional Rail Network (CRN) has the capablity of running trains upto 125mph.
These trains have been built speficially to run on the victorian era CRN. This means an overhead electric line of ‘variable height’, and the ablity to tilt into corners due to the lack of banking on corners..
HS2 Trains are designed to run on a brand new track network and have not been bulilt for the rough unbanked tracks.
There was a plan to bank CRN track, as recent studies have shown that only a 2-3^o tilt is requred for high speed running (originnally though to be much higher – but that was the result of a single study of an ancient train 60 years ago).
Still all plans to modarnise CRN were shelved as HS2 was going to carry high speed passengers and the CRN would be for slow trains.
HS2 Trains will not be able to bank, and will struggle with the electic hook up (may need an additinal pantograph).
Had the planners known HS2 was not going north then track upgrades could have added the tilit and made the hook up a consistant height.
But there we go!
Of course not! The Transport secretary knows the WCML is not going to cope with Birmingham – Manchester traffic, but guess what? They curtail the line at Handsacre and dump HS2 traffic onto the Trent valley line! Maybe if the government actually saw sense, they’d get HS2 Phase 2a out to Crewe instead of allowing development on that land so as to free up alot of WCML capacity!
They didn’t think this one through did they, they cancelled the northern leg without any apparent regard for the repercussions. Fucking criminals.
I don’t understand this? Surely just model premise of any other long rail ways?? We did it in the past? I don’t understand why we can’t do it again? Apart from politicians and higher up people behind it being incompetent?
like this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyj5cv5FPWA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyj5cv5FPWA)
Biggest whitest elephant in British history. Well done to all involved. Top marks.
Delivering a worse service, nowhere near where it’s needed, at horrendous spiralling costs to the tax payer.
HS2 is the perfect metaphor for the last decade and a half of Tory rule.
Government ‘does not understand how the government will function as a government’
FIFU
They had to keep having culls to get brexit through so now the only people left don’t understand how a railway is meant to work.
Hang on hang on, someone will turn up here soon who’s surprised.
Wow. Well there’s a track and a train and you get on the train and go along the track.
Gee
don’t forget, the conservative education secretary said that everyone had “had enough of experts”.
>Government ‘does not understand
This is enough to describe current government
Pretty amazing that we’re now worse at building railways than we were in the 1840s. I wonder if this is the future they envisioned?
So either build the HS2 trains with the tech of the current ones, upgrade the track north of Birmingham to be tilting.
Or, just build HS2 to the original plan
just lay the tracks and run the trains for fuck’s sake