I said it once, and I will keep repeating myself over and over.
Europe needs to stand up, it needs to be independent as from Russia also from USA. We need to take back our responsibility for our nations security.
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The audacity is to think that US has any values or is allies or friends with any other nation besides Israel. Or that this is contained within one side of their aisle.
From their support of Ukraine, to their relationship with EU this is all but profiteering.
Whether Ukraine is fighting for its survival, for its seriously flawed but nascent democracy, fending off a brutal invader, one that’s breaching all international laws is of no value. US support was never about any of this; or values of freedom, democracy and all but just degrading once a powerful enemy remotely, from the comfort of politicians’ hallways. And sadly, this is on shaky ground now.
The level of whataboutism in the X comments is impressive. Musk must be proud.
The EU is increasingly under pressure from all sides and remains played as is literally impossible to change any type of treaty to have a firmer and more united response to this type of situation.
The future is sad
Unfortunately no such thing as shame on that side of the aisle.
He’s right, but I can’t imagine this going well. The right wing in america tends towards insularity and isolationism, and it especially isn’t fond of the rest of the world lecturing us, especially poor countries. He’s probably just going to convince right wingers to stop caring about “based poland”
These are the Kiel institute numbers on Ukraine aid, note that they are from October, and don’t include the latest 54 billion EU aid package (which will likely be included on the 16th of February).
and the moment Tusk is in office, he’s pissing off Poland’s allies in order to strengthen Germany in particular. I see the ploy. It’s right there.
Poland has a GDP debt of 46%, if it takes $250 billion in debt and gives it to Ukraine/buys weapons for Ukraine it would still be at a lower level of debt than the US, I mean they believe they are next in line so it should be worth it right? Be the change that you want to see in the world.
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i don’t trust anyone but my own country’s armed forces to protect me, you guys shouldn’t either
Who gives a shit what Poland has to say? lol
Hi Poland 👋 just FYI, you’re next
Probably would’ve said the same, though more privately.
Wow!
What a great way to boost Trumps numbers…
You can’t shame people who have no shame and are morally bankrupt.
America can fuck right off, we need to be independent from them. They’re unstable and can’t be trusted with anything. Let them do their thing and we’ll do ours.
Shame is not a word in the vocabulary of the US politicians
How refreshing to see my country not sucking American D in international relations for a change.
He is absolutly right, US is going full on into the abyss, steered by MAGA stupidity.
Based Poland
Kinder words than I would have used
Poland knows what happens if Ukraine falls to Russia.
If that happens, blood is on the hands of republicans in congress.
Having a European politician telling US Republican senators “shame on you”, will only give them a boner. I guarantee it. They love it, and they will want to hear moer of it. Forgive the crude language but it’s true.
It sure as well won’t appeal to their conscience, if that’s what you’re hoping for. Might as well talk to a wall which will feel something before they do.
USA is so hated here as inferior and just horrible in every way, even the shape of roads is a ‘hell scape’.
I strongly am for Ukrainian AID but playing devils advocate, why the fuck should Americans lift a finger muchless spend $10’s of Billions for a European country when there’s so insane endless hate toward Americans and America from Europe?
Not only the question above but ontop of that, with Europe struggling so much to support Ukraine with military aid it needs. Macron stating Taiwan is not a European problem because its so far away. But Ukraine not only is an American problem but the Americans should pay $10’s of Billions more.
I say this because this endless hate toward America will have consequences and nobody gives a flying fuck but also Trump, with his evil ways makes some points along the way. Take his stance against Woke’ism for example. People think “what else is he right about.”
We are just as to blame for doing so little for Ukraine as the Americans are for not being able to properly project its global power in exchange for helping Ukraine.
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I said it once, and I will keep repeating myself over and over.
Europe needs to stand up, it needs to be independent as from Russia also from USA. We need to take back our responsibility for our nations security.
[deleted]
The audacity is to think that US has any values or is allies or friends with any other nation besides Israel. Or that this is contained within one side of their aisle.
From their support of Ukraine, to their relationship with EU this is all but profiteering.
Whether Ukraine is fighting for its survival, for its seriously flawed but nascent democracy, fending off a brutal invader, one that’s breaching all international laws is of no value. US support was never about any of this; or values of freedom, democracy and all but just degrading once a powerful enemy remotely, from the comfort of politicians’ hallways. And sadly, this is on shaky ground now.
The level of whataboutism in the X comments is impressive. Musk must be proud.
The EU is increasingly under pressure from all sides and remains played as is literally impossible to change any type of treaty to have a firmer and more united response to this type of situation.
The future is sad
Unfortunately no such thing as shame on that side of the aisle.
He’s right, but I can’t imagine this going well. The right wing in america tends towards insularity and isolationism, and it especially isn’t fond of the rest of the world lecturing us, especially poor countries. He’s probably just going to convince right wingers to stop caring about “based poland”
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
These are the Kiel institute numbers on Ukraine aid, note that they are from October, and don’t include the latest 54 billion EU aid package (which will likely be included on the 16th of February).
and the moment Tusk is in office, he’s pissing off Poland’s allies in order to strengthen Germany in particular. I see the ploy. It’s right there.
Poland has a GDP debt of 46%, if it takes $250 billion in debt and gives it to Ukraine/buys weapons for Ukraine it would still be at a lower level of debt than the US, I mean they believe they are next in line so it should be worth it right? Be the change that you want to see in the world.
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i don’t trust anyone but my own country’s armed forces to protect me, you guys shouldn’t either
Who gives a shit what Poland has to say? lol
Hi Poland 👋 just FYI, you’re next
Probably would’ve said the same, though more privately.
Wow!
What a great way to boost Trumps numbers…
You can’t shame people who have no shame and are morally bankrupt.
America can fuck right off, we need to be independent from them. They’re unstable and can’t be trusted with anything. Let them do their thing and we’ll do ours.
Shame is not a word in the vocabulary of the US politicians
How refreshing to see my country not sucking American D in international relations for a change.
He is absolutly right, US is going full on into the abyss, steered by MAGA stupidity.
Based Poland
Kinder words than I would have used
Poland knows what happens if Ukraine falls to Russia.
If that happens, blood is on the hands of republicans in congress.
Having a European politician telling US Republican senators “shame on you”, will only give them a boner. I guarantee it. They love it, and they will want to hear moer of it. Forgive the crude language but it’s true.
It sure as well won’t appeal to their conscience, if that’s what you’re hoping for. Might as well talk to a wall which will feel something before they do.
USA is so hated here as inferior and just horrible in every way, even the shape of roads is a ‘hell scape’.
I strongly am for Ukrainian AID but playing devils advocate, why the fuck should Americans lift a finger muchless spend $10’s of Billions for a European country when there’s so insane endless hate toward Americans and America from Europe?
Not only the question above but ontop of that, with Europe struggling so much to support Ukraine with military aid it needs. Macron stating Taiwan is not a European problem because its so far away. But Ukraine not only is an American problem but the Americans should pay $10’s of Billions more.
I say this because this endless hate toward America will have consequences and nobody gives a flying fuck but also Trump, with his evil ways makes some points along the way. Take his stance against Woke’ism for example. People think “what else is he right about.”
We are just as to blame for doing so little for Ukraine as the Americans are for not being able to properly project its global power in exchange for helping Ukraine.