I watched the oral arguments live and boy was listening to those politicians manipulating the law truly nauseating.
Aiding an insurrectionist makes you an insurrectionist.
Lock them up.
We are a banana republic. And not the one with khakis
Gutless cowards
Yeah, that was rough.
I thought it’d be a little more ambiguous but all six conservatives were highly critical of key issues such as state authority and even Kagan and Jackson seemed to lean towards reversing Colorado.
Of course, we won’t know for sure until the ruling, but that was about as bad as it gets for plaintiffs.
Duh, they gotta help their boy. The Constitution could literally name Trump is ineligible and they would figure out how to help him. Corrupt court.
Thing is, if Trump wins the presidency, then you will see challenges to him holding the office that are national
Ct wife was part of the insurrection. It’s a joke he didn’t recuse himself.
I hate it here
I have absolutely no confidence in this SCOTUS. It is a shame how all our government branches have dropped to basement levels
This article is odd because the live thread painted a picture in which they were befuddled by the arguments from the Trump team.
Can’t wait to see how Trump turns this into his next big Grift.
I’m starting to have zero faith this piece of shit will be held accountable for anything.
Oh man they need cameras in the courtroom so you can see the lawyers Pikachu faces when Roberts said this:
> “In very quick order I would expect … that a goodly number of states will say whoever the Democratic candidate is, you’re off the ballot,” he said. “**And it will come down to a handful of states that will determine the presidential election.**”
What a joke. The asshole is a fucking traitor who tried to overthrow the government. Now he’s in a position where he could be back in charge of the same government he tried to destroy?
This country is idiotic.
I hate the “well what about the other states”. This case is at the SC because it was brought before the proper authorities, with evidence, who then saw enough merit to bring the case to the court. Then appeals until it is where it is now.
Other states don’t have the exact process but it isn’t a fee for all that allows meritless claims and that they automatically ban the candidate. The SC needs to have confidence in the individual states to handle individual claims.
The Colorado supreme court can’t enforce it’s laws because a court in Alabama could make shit up in the future.
Great system we got.
It was frustrating to listen to SCOTUS’ arguments this morning on whether they will uphold the Colorado ruling keeping Trump off the ballot.
It was clear that SCOTUS will vote against Colorado, allowing Trump to be on the ballot. While I appreciated listening to the legal arguments and the history of the constitution, they should have focused more on Trump’s actions that day. In the end, Trump is an insurrectionist. He tried to stop the peaceful transition of power. And we will find out in November if our democracy will continue, or if voters are going to put this insurrectionist back in the oval office.
Our democracy is on a knife’s edge. Vote accordingly.
What happened to things being up to the states? Colorado Republicans decided they didn’t want him on the ballot.
They’ll defend striking down Roe v. Wade and disguise it as giving states the freedom to choose how to handle abortion. But the second a state chooses something they disagree with they’ll switch sides.
Yup, that AMA from yesterday definitely aged well.
So no to states rights now?
States rights!
But… not like that.
They’re worrying about red states removing Joe Biden from the ballot when they’ve been telegraphing that they want to ignore the ballot and directly assign electors to Trump?
“State’s rights” apparently only apply to things like abortion and marriage equality
Posted this elsewhere:
By no means am I a lawyer, let alone a constitutional lawyer. Here is what I think will happen:
1) They’ll overturn the decision and keep Trump on the ballot. I understand their argument about the “race to the bottom” as we know folks will end up weaponizing it. Some court in another state could make a nonsensical argument that Biden shouldn’t be on the ballot for 25th amendment reasons. A dumb argument, but all it takes is a state court to say “Yeah, we agree” and they’ll end up in a similar spot.
2) The immunity appeal is due to the SC on Monday. I don’t think they’ll take it up which will keep the lower court ruling intact that there isn’t immunity. At that point it’ll go to trial and if he’s convicted then he’s automatically ineligible (I believe it was Gorsuch who said this when they were questioning Murray)
I don’t think they want to muddy things up and the “keep him on the ballot, but he’s not immune so convict him” route would be the cleanest way to go and the way I think the court will go.
If they rule against Colorado it tells any future president who loses their second term reelection that they may as well try to overthrow the government because there are zero consequences.
WTF? The 14th Amendment doesn’t have a provision for Congress to declare an oath-taking offical ineligible, it only has one to “remove such disability,” so it seems like the agencies responsible for electing or installing a person are supposed to make the determination of ineligibility, and then Congress has an option to override it.
Why would they do the right thing? Bunch of crooks/criminals and whatever other title
Ya, with Clarance Thomas, who’s wife had a hand in Jan 6, not recusing himself or even being asked to by Robert’s set the tone for me even before it can to the court.
Which would put them on the wrong side of 14a Article 3 themselves, and they should be removed from the bench immediately.
It is a mistake to make too much of the questions asked in oral arguments. Sometimes appellate judges will question the side they plan to rule for much harder because they want to make sure there are no glaring weaknesses in the argument. We had a case where we were served up softballs and the other side got hammered in oral argument. Court ruled 9-0 against us.
States rights until it doesn’t suit their narrative
State’s rights on abortion… GOOD, YES, ALLOWED.
State’s rights on their elections… BAD, NO, OVERSTEPPING.
The only consistent thread in modern conservative ideology is “what gives us the biggest advantage at obtaining power”.
When is our general strike?
Means we just have to beat him in November and then hope he croaks before 2028.
VOTE!!! Tell ya kids that can vote to vote. Tell ya friends and ya family to vote. This will be a major point in history for us as a species and we cannot let the most powerful country in the world fall into the hands of dictators. While Germany was powerful they pale in comparison to what we are able to do today. One person cannot hold that kind of power.
If Jan 6th and Trumps role in it is not a good enough reason to apply the 14th ammendment, then there will never be a good enough reason to apply it and it might as well be removed.
Robert’s court is by far the worst court in US history and if we some how are able to defend our democracy past 2024, I hope his court goes down in history as the corrupt pieces of shit they are.
Let’s face reality. The whole “Ohhhh if they do this they’ll be mass riots, etc”. If Trump doesn’t win in the Fall, they’ll riot regardless. They have no respect or faith in any institution at this point because they’ve been brainwashed by trump and right wing media to believe otherwise, just for this purpose.
I didn’t even finish the first paragraph, the Supreme Court is back to its 2001 election shenanigans. God help us all.
Colorado isn’t saying they have the right to kick Trump off the ballot. They’re saying the US Constitution says it. The Constitution removed Trump from the ballot. And the Supreme Court could affirm that.
We may as well just throw away the 14th Amendment then, if we’ll never be able to use it.
His fucking tweets show him aiding them. Promises of pardons, being called political prisoners etc… show aid and comfort. Who did he show comfort to? The people he fucking sent there to “stop the steal”.
Throw in some fake electors and election interference with a strong refusal to transfer power. You have a fucking insurrection with him as the leader.
This is bullshit to the highest degree. He can contend he didn’t engage in it. He sure as fuck is offering aid and comfort to convicted felons who were convicted because of Jan 6.
This also applies to the jackasses who defended insurrectionists. Being gaetz, bobo and trailer queen along with a bunch of others who defended them.
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I watched the oral arguments live and boy was listening to those politicians manipulating the law truly nauseating.
Aiding an insurrectionist makes you an insurrectionist.
Lock them up.
We are a banana republic. And not the one with khakis
Gutless cowards
Yeah, that was rough.
I thought it’d be a little more ambiguous but all six conservatives were highly critical of key issues such as state authority and even Kagan and Jackson seemed to lean towards reversing Colorado.
Of course, we won’t know for sure until the ruling, but that was about as bad as it gets for plaintiffs.
Duh, they gotta help their boy. The Constitution could literally name Trump is ineligible and they would figure out how to help him. Corrupt court.
Thing is, if Trump wins the presidency, then you will see challenges to him holding the office that are national
Ct wife was part of the insurrection. It’s a joke he didn’t recuse himself.
I hate it here
I have absolutely no confidence in this SCOTUS. It is a shame how all our government branches have dropped to basement levels
This article is odd because the live thread painted a picture in which they were befuddled by the arguments from the Trump team.
Can’t wait to see how Trump turns this into his next big Grift.
I’m starting to have zero faith this piece of shit will be held accountable for anything.
Oh man they need cameras in the courtroom so you can see the lawyers Pikachu faces when Roberts said this:
> “In very quick order I would expect … that a goodly number of states will say whoever the Democratic candidate is, you’re off the ballot,” he said. “**And it will come down to a handful of states that will determine the presidential election.**”
What a joke. The asshole is a fucking traitor who tried to overthrow the government. Now he’s in a position where he could be back in charge of the same government he tried to destroy?
This country is idiotic.
I hate the “well what about the other states”. This case is at the SC because it was brought before the proper authorities, with evidence, who then saw enough merit to bring the case to the court. Then appeals until it is where it is now.
Other states don’t have the exact process but it isn’t a fee for all that allows meritless claims and that they automatically ban the candidate. The SC needs to have confidence in the individual states to handle individual claims.
The Colorado supreme court can’t enforce it’s laws because a court in Alabama could make shit up in the future.
Great system we got.
It was frustrating to listen to SCOTUS’ arguments this morning on whether they will uphold the Colorado ruling keeping Trump off the ballot.
It was clear that SCOTUS will vote against Colorado, allowing Trump to be on the ballot. While I appreciated listening to the legal arguments and the history of the constitution, they should have focused more on Trump’s actions that day. In the end, Trump is an insurrectionist. He tried to stop the peaceful transition of power. And we will find out in November if our democracy will continue, or if voters are going to put this insurrectionist back in the oval office.
Our democracy is on a knife’s edge. Vote accordingly.
What happened to things being up to the states? Colorado Republicans decided they didn’t want him on the ballot.
They’ll defend striking down Roe v. Wade and disguise it as giving states the freedom to choose how to handle abortion. But the second a state chooses something they disagree with they’ll switch sides.
Yup, that AMA from yesterday definitely aged well.
So no to states rights now?
States rights!
But… not like that.
They’re worrying about red states removing Joe Biden from the ballot when they’ve been telegraphing that they want to ignore the ballot and directly assign electors to Trump?
“State’s rights” apparently only apply to things like abortion and marriage equality
Posted this elsewhere:
By no means am I a lawyer, let alone a constitutional lawyer. Here is what I think will happen:
1) They’ll overturn the decision and keep Trump on the ballot. I understand their argument about the “race to the bottom” as we know folks will end up weaponizing it. Some court in another state could make a nonsensical argument that Biden shouldn’t be on the ballot for 25th amendment reasons. A dumb argument, but all it takes is a state court to say “Yeah, we agree” and they’ll end up in a similar spot.
2) The immunity appeal is due to the SC on Monday. I don’t think they’ll take it up which will keep the lower court ruling intact that there isn’t immunity. At that point it’ll go to trial and if he’s convicted then he’s automatically ineligible (I believe it was Gorsuch who said this when they were questioning Murray)
I don’t think they want to muddy things up and the “keep him on the ballot, but he’s not immune so convict him” route would be the cleanest way to go and the way I think the court will go.
If they rule against Colorado it tells any future president who loses their second term reelection that they may as well try to overthrow the government because there are zero consequences.
WTF? The 14th Amendment doesn’t have a provision for Congress to declare an oath-taking offical ineligible, it only has one to “remove such disability,” so it seems like the agencies responsible for electing or installing a person are supposed to make the determination of ineligibility, and then Congress has an option to override it.
EDIT: [Some of affected positions](https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/14th-amendment) are state level (legislators, executive officers or judicial officers) so what mechanism can Congress use to disqualify them?
Why would they do the right thing? Bunch of crooks/criminals and whatever other title
Ya, with Clarance Thomas, who’s wife had a hand in Jan 6, not recusing himself or even being asked to by Robert’s set the tone for me even before it can to the court.
Which would put them on the wrong side of 14a Article 3 themselves, and they should be removed from the bench immediately.
It is a mistake to make too much of the questions asked in oral arguments. Sometimes appellate judges will question the side they plan to rule for much harder because they want to make sure there are no glaring weaknesses in the argument. We had a case where we were served up softballs and the other side got hammered in oral argument. Court ruled 9-0 against us.
States rights until it doesn’t suit their narrative
State’s rights on abortion… GOOD, YES, ALLOWED.
State’s rights on their elections… BAD, NO, OVERSTEPPING.
The only consistent thread in modern conservative ideology is “what gives us the biggest advantage at obtaining power”.
When is our general strike?
Means we just have to beat him in November and then hope he croaks before 2028.
VOTE!!! Tell ya kids that can vote to vote. Tell ya friends and ya family to vote. This will be a major point in history for us as a species and we cannot let the most powerful country in the world fall into the hands of dictators. While Germany was powerful they pale in comparison to what we are able to do today. One person cannot hold that kind of power.
If Jan 6th and Trumps role in it is not a good enough reason to apply the 14th ammendment, then there will never be a good enough reason to apply it and it might as well be removed.
Robert’s court is by far the worst court in US history and if we some how are able to defend our democracy past 2024, I hope his court goes down in history as the corrupt pieces of shit they are.
Let’s face reality. The whole “Ohhhh if they do this they’ll be mass riots, etc”. If Trump doesn’t win in the Fall, they’ll riot regardless. They have no respect or faith in any institution at this point because they’ve been brainwashed by trump and right wing media to believe otherwise, just for this purpose.
I didn’t even finish the first paragraph, the Supreme Court is back to its 2001 election shenanigans. God help us all.
Colorado isn’t saying they have the right to kick Trump off the ballot. They’re saying the US Constitution says it. The Constitution removed Trump from the ballot. And the Supreme Court could affirm that.
We may as well just throw away the 14th Amendment then, if we’ll never be able to use it.
His fucking tweets show him aiding them. Promises of pardons, being called political prisoners etc… show aid and comfort. Who did he show comfort to? The people he fucking sent there to “stop the steal”.
Throw in some fake electors and election interference with a strong refusal to transfer power. You have a fucking insurrection with him as the leader.
This is bullshit to the highest degree. He can contend he didn’t engage in it. He sure as fuck is offering aid and comfort to convicted felons who were convicted because of Jan 6.
This also applies to the jackasses who defended insurrectionists. Being gaetz, bobo and trailer queen along with a bunch of others who defended them.