“The 40-year-old, who already had a number of previous convictions for theft, was given an IPP sentence four months before they were scrapped.”
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I mean … tough shit? Maybe he should have stopped other people’s belongings.
I wonder how many people would have had their property stolen had he been simply another suspended sentence
I know we don’t know the whole picture but everyone deserves compassion and fair treatment..
I understand him getting a long stretch as a serial offender but this does seem unjust. Some murderers get less time.
Sounds as much about incompetence within the justice system as anything he has done to keep himself in jail.
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I am genuinely constantly surprised at how right wing this sub is on any sort of “justice” issues.
Theft or robbery – which was it? Because it seems he was sentenced for a street robbery. That’s a crime including force or the threat of it.
So we have a dangerous and violent serial criminal who doesn’t sound at all reformed. Sorry if I’m struggling to have any sympathy.
Theft and robbery are completely different crimes. I wish the media would stop conflating them.
There is a big problem with IPP prisoners not being able to actually complete their program. That being said, tough shit. How many people weren’t robbed because he’s been in prison for the last 12 years? 5? 10? Any number justifies keeping him in there.
In 16 separate prisons during his time. Sounds like he’s a CAT B inmate and has poor behaviour, so he gets passed around to different local jails, they can take CAT B, but they don’t offer courses for offenders other than the basics because theyre only ment for remmand and short term inmates. High security private prisons, get to choose inmates based on their behaviour. They’re also the prisons who offer courses like the ones the article is describing. Most high security prisons are now private too, so they’ll send the local jail a list of demands before he gets a place, but he can’t cope with that so he causes issues at the locals and gets sent off to a different local in a one to one prisoner swap. There’s tons of inmates like him.
>Thomas had been housed at 16 sites, but had never had a chance to do a progressive programme because “the government did not give [them] in these prisons”.
A deliberate decision to prevent someone from **ever** the conditions which could lead to their release – this is a genuine travesty.
Also, 12 years for mobile phone theft, suspended sentence for repeated raping children – what gives.
As usual , this subreddit comes out on the wrong side of justice.
12 years for petty theft is ludicrous.
Mobile phone theft and robbery aren’t the same. People and tabloids trying to downplay his crimes as usual. Happens every time indefinite sentences are talked about.
Comments by the British public, of whom 70% would shop their own kids to the police for petty crimes. No surprise. 12 years is an injustice.
Indefinitely detaining someone is cruel and unusual
Jesus fucking christ reading through some of these comments it’s no wonder we’ve had a Tory government for 14 years. A lot of you are just straight up fucking ghouls.
Being told sorry you’re not eligible for release because you didn’t do the rehabilitation programme we haven’t offered you is pretty highly dystopian.
All serving an indefinite sentence should have been released on their being scrapped; or, alternatively, there should be no exoneration for people who were found guilty of what are no longer crimes.
The home secretary who introduced IPP sentences later went on to describe them as a mistake and I completely agree with him. They were gotten rid of as an option for judges for a very good reason, they have no rehabilitative value and are utterly disproportionate. They should be ended for anyone currently on one, whether they be currently in prison or probation.
He stole a phone from some christian missionaries.
Surely they should have turned the other cheek and forgiven him immediately?
We need more of this, not less. Bang these roadmen up for good.
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“The 40-year-old, who already had a number of previous convictions for theft, was given an IPP sentence four months before they were scrapped.”
​
I mean … tough shit? Maybe he should have stopped other people’s belongings.
I wonder how many people would have had their property stolen had he been simply another suspended sentence
I know we don’t know the whole picture but everyone deserves compassion and fair treatment..
I understand him getting a long stretch as a serial offender but this does seem unjust. Some murderers get less time.
Sounds as much about incompetence within the justice system as anything he has done to keep himself in jail.
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I am genuinely constantly surprised at how right wing this sub is on any sort of “justice” issues.
Theft or robbery – which was it? Because it seems he was sentenced for a street robbery. That’s a crime including force or the threat of it.
So we have a dangerous and violent serial criminal who doesn’t sound at all reformed. Sorry if I’m struggling to have any sympathy.
Theft and robbery are completely different crimes. I wish the media would stop conflating them.
There is a big problem with IPP prisoners not being able to actually complete their program. That being said, tough shit. How many people weren’t robbed because he’s been in prison for the last 12 years? 5? 10? Any number justifies keeping him in there.
In 16 separate prisons during his time. Sounds like he’s a CAT B inmate and has poor behaviour, so he gets passed around to different local jails, they can take CAT B, but they don’t offer courses for offenders other than the basics because theyre only ment for remmand and short term inmates. High security private prisons, get to choose inmates based on their behaviour. They’re also the prisons who offer courses like the ones the article is describing. Most high security prisons are now private too, so they’ll send the local jail a list of demands before he gets a place, but he can’t cope with that so he causes issues at the locals and gets sent off to a different local in a one to one prisoner swap. There’s tons of inmates like him.
>Thomas had been housed at 16 sites, but had never had a chance to do a progressive programme because “the government did not give [them] in these prisons”.
A deliberate decision to prevent someone from **ever** the conditions which could lead to their release – this is a genuine travesty.
Also, 12 years for mobile phone theft, suspended sentence for repeated raping children – what gives.
As usual , this subreddit comes out on the wrong side of justice.
12 years for petty theft is ludicrous.
Mobile phone theft and robbery aren’t the same. People and tabloids trying to downplay his crimes as usual. Happens every time indefinite sentences are talked about.
Comments by the British public, of whom 70% would shop their own kids to the police for petty crimes. No surprise. 12 years is an injustice.
Indefinitely detaining someone is cruel and unusual
Jesus fucking christ reading through some of these comments it’s no wonder we’ve had a Tory government for 14 years. A lot of you are just straight up fucking ghouls.
Being told sorry you’re not eligible for release because you didn’t do the rehabilitation programme we haven’t offered you is pretty highly dystopian.
All serving an indefinite sentence should have been released on their being scrapped; or, alternatively, there should be no exoneration for people who were found guilty of what are no longer crimes.
The home secretary who introduced IPP sentences later went on to describe them as a mistake and I completely agree with him. They were gotten rid of as an option for judges for a very good reason, they have no rehabilitative value and are utterly disproportionate. They should be ended for anyone currently on one, whether they be currently in prison or probation.
He stole a phone from some christian missionaries.
Surely they should have turned the other cheek and forgiven him immediately?
We need more of this, not less. Bang these roadmen up for good.