Can’t wait to see this on the Baltic states subreddit
Switzerland so down on the list lol
These results are pretty unintuitive for me… To cherry-pick two extreme examples: I didn’t expect to see Azerbaijan at the top of the list… I’ve only briefly read about the situation for women there (a very dated article: [https://globalvoices.org/2016/07/17/azerbaijani-women-watch-iamnotafraidtospeak-from-the-sidelines/](https://globalvoices.org/2016/07/17/azerbaijani-women-watch-iamnotafraidtospeak-from-the-sidelines/)), but I wouldn’t have expected women there to be the majority in too many high-paying, analytical jobs, largely because their society seems to be somewhat patriarchal and traditional, and those jobs haven’t historically been available to women. Similarly, I know there’s plenty of latent sexism in Germany (I live here), but I’ve spent some time in Croatia, and it definitely seems like sexism is much more out in the open… I’m definitely willing to reexamine by dated assumptions and biases, but… I’d also be interested in finding out what constitutes a “researcher” for the purposes of this study?
Caucasus & Balkan w 💪💪💪
As you might already know, we have no data in Denmark because women don’t exist in the country
Which ist just so fucked up and shows us how hostile academia is for women. Just crossreferencing this post of the percentages of men vs women with a university degree. Why do we still have such a huge imbalance in researchers when women clearly outnumber men in degrees.
Ex-communist / socialist countries have a lot more women in STEM. Western countries were a lot less egalitarian in this regard, even when it comes to teaching classes in schools.
I was surprised to find out that the vast majority of maths and physics teachers in the west were men.
Honestly a bit shocked by how low my own country ( Austria) scores.
I interned with quite a few labs in my field (biotech) and the lowest ratio was about 50:50, most were closer to 60:40 and my degree is spread 65:35 according to my unis stats.
Being a researcher is a great job for a woman, good work environment, lots of flexibility , stable but low pay employment with good parental benefits. Great choice for mothers
It’s interesting that countries with more religious/conservative values in the east and south have more women in research than the more atheist/liberal countries in the west and north.
I don’t know the reason for this, it’s just an observation. Feel free to enlighten me 🙂
Why would this be good, honestly? As long as they do a fine job, who cares what sex they are?
Wow, didnt expect to see that east of Europe has more female researchers than the west
Biologically women are more likely to be interested in people and men are more likely to be interested in things. It’s not a big difference, but to study maths and physics you have to be EXTREMELY interested in these subjects. And if we go to the extremes there’re far less women that would biologically be that interested.
It’s very surprising that countries which wanted to break this “stereotype” (the Western Europe) made the situation even more polarized. Which just proves it’s a biological difference and not a “social construct”. 😂
ქალები in STEM 😌
There is a subtle sexist statement promoted in the Western EU: women are better communicating while men are better in STEM.
In ex-Communist countries the subject of who is better at what was never discussed. It was assumed that women will cope with STEM as much as men, and they did. At the Technical University in Bucharest during the 80s, female students were over 50%. 80% of Chemical Engineering students (my degree) were females. Computing was mostly women during that era. My sister was doing Mechatronics and in her intake the female students were 50% of the intake. Only Steelmaking Engineering, Vehicle Engineering and some Construction Engineering area were predominantly male.
Nobody ever told that me, in school or at home that, as a woman, I am better at communication with people. As a result, I read Chemical Engineering and later Computing and Information Systems in the UK. My entire family, parents, my sister and I, plus sons, read STEM subjects at University. As bad as was Romania in the 80s, I am glad that I did a STEM degree there.
Gonna save it for a day when another vapid feminist starts saying how women all across the world have no rights, while simultaneously projecting her/his American worldview onto everyone else
I can’t speak for the rest of Eastern Europe, but in Romania research in universities is severely underfunded compared to Westen Europe. Wages for researchers are not higher than any other job, unless you climb the top of the ladder. PhDs are treated as students, and only offered a small scholarship of less than 200€ per month (i.e. covers your grocery bill and nothing else). Whereas in the Netherlands for example, PhDs are treated as employees and have a wage that allows them to live and save money. In Romania, the low wages for research positions make it less socially acceptable for men to pursue them, as they are pushed towards/ they are more interested in more (immediately) profitable careers, allowing women to hold the majority in research.
Moldova achieved perfect balance
outside of engineering, computing and physics related fields, most science fields have way more female students than male ones even in germany. Biology, chemistry, math, the vast majority of soft sciences are either 50/50 or have a huge female surplus. Even economics and law are close to 50/50. Medicine too probably has a female surplus as it’s basically just biology. So i can’t quite understand this low percentage.
That’s a proper tricky one to analyze, because basically the first look at it feels like… the less women in research the more Nobel prices ?
I am from Azerbaijan. Yet, it is correct. We have more women in research field than men but reason behind it is really different.
During Soviet period researching was pretty prestigious field. After fell of SU this field is not attractive anymore because no one allocate money for research. And it is was very difficult to get enough salary for living. That is why men used to choice researching as a career goal.
Looks like the first four countries have a problem with gender equality
This is always a fun thread.
Who did this search? And why Azerbaijan is better than Turkey?
I had this conversation with a social studies professor about how we have more women in STEM in former communist countries. This is what she told me.
Richer countries can afford having only one money earner in the home, that is usually the man. So women can afford to do a non STEM job for less money.
In poorer contrives women know that they are expected to have a good job if they want to not live in poverty.
The researchers in Azerbaijan are studying how to kill Armenians more effectively
They’re researching women in a lot of surprising places
Can you also specify the category?
Was this research about women researchers made by a female researcher?
If anyone is curious about the US:
For ages under 75 women make up 43%.
For ages under 29 women make up 56%.
Also worth noting there is a significant pay gap. Men in STEM make $36.34 on average and women make $31.11 on average.
Also, those percentage stats are for anyone in science or engineering (not necessarily research) and the pay gap is for all STEM.
And as a physicist, I can tell you those percents are not consistent with all fields. Physics has a ***much*** higher sex imbalance than chemistry or biology.
I fucking hate r/europe. What a bunch of haters.
Why is the Republic of Kosovo not shown on this map?
Besser als die Deutschen
it’s inversely correlated with the innovativeness chart
I work in STEM in Germany and knew it was meh but I’m still disappointed. Shame on you, Germany.
The more equal distribution is probably valid for a lot of ex-comunist countries which had central planning: the state set quotas for different universities that had to be filled. So at the end of school, women and men were just as likely to be “recommended” (sometimes forced) to go to STEM.
This trend has been slowly changing once everybody was free to choose after the fall of comunism. It is moving towards most fields being strongly unequal, just like western Europe.
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source: as given on map
https://twitter.com/milos_agathon/status/1756609609039597631
author: Milos Popovic
Shows women are less into research. Wowwwww
The ravages of socialism
OK. So?
Turkey is beating Germany
Can’t wait to see this on the Baltic states subreddit
Switzerland so down on the list lol
These results are pretty unintuitive for me… To cherry-pick two extreme examples: I didn’t expect to see Azerbaijan at the top of the list… I’ve only briefly read about the situation for women there (a very dated article: [https://globalvoices.org/2016/07/17/azerbaijani-women-watch-iamnotafraidtospeak-from-the-sidelines/](https://globalvoices.org/2016/07/17/azerbaijani-women-watch-iamnotafraidtospeak-from-the-sidelines/)), but I wouldn’t have expected women there to be the majority in too many high-paying, analytical jobs, largely because their society seems to be somewhat patriarchal and traditional, and those jobs haven’t historically been available to women. Similarly, I know there’s plenty of latent sexism in Germany (I live here), but I’ve spent some time in Croatia, and it definitely seems like sexism is much more out in the open… I’m definitely willing to reexamine by dated assumptions and biases, but… I’d also be interested in finding out what constitutes a “researcher” for the purposes of this study?
Caucasus & Balkan w 💪💪💪
As you might already know, we have no data in Denmark because women don’t exist in the country
Which ist just so fucked up and shows us how hostile academia is for women. Just crossreferencing this post of the percentages of men vs women with a university degree. Why do we still have such a huge imbalance in researchers when women clearly outnumber men in degrees.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/s/ip6nnKifT4
Easy East Europe win 😎👍👍
Ex-communist / socialist countries have a lot more women in STEM. Western countries were a lot less egalitarian in this regard, even when it comes to teaching classes in schools.
I was surprised to find out that the vast majority of maths and physics teachers in the west were men.
Honestly a bit shocked by how low my own country ( Austria) scores.
I interned with quite a few labs in my field (biotech) and the lowest ratio was about 50:50, most were closer to 60:40 and my degree is spread 65:35 according to my unis stats.
Being a researcher is a great job for a woman, good work environment, lots of flexibility , stable but low pay employment with good parental benefits. Great choice for mothers
It’s interesting that countries with more religious/conservative values in the east and south have more women in research than the more atheist/liberal countries in the west and north.
I don’t know the reason for this, it’s just an observation. Feel free to enlighten me 🙂
Why would this be good, honestly? As long as they do a fine job, who cares what sex they are?
Wow, didnt expect to see that east of Europe has more female researchers than the west
Biologically women are more likely to be interested in people and men are more likely to be interested in things. It’s not a big difference, but to study maths and physics you have to be EXTREMELY interested in these subjects. And if we go to the extremes there’re far less women that would biologically be that interested.
It’s very surprising that countries which wanted to break this “stereotype” (the Western Europe) made the situation even more polarized. Which just proves it’s a biological difference and not a “social construct”. 😂
ქალები in STEM 😌
There is a subtle sexist statement promoted in the Western EU: women are better communicating while men are better in STEM.
In ex-Communist countries the subject of who is better at what was never discussed. It was assumed that women will cope with STEM as much as men, and they did. At the Technical University in Bucharest during the 80s, female students were over 50%. 80% of Chemical Engineering students (my degree) were females. Computing was mostly women during that era. My sister was doing Mechatronics and in her intake the female students were 50% of the intake. Only Steelmaking Engineering, Vehicle Engineering and some Construction Engineering area were predominantly male.
Nobody ever told that me, in school or at home that, as a woman, I am better at communication with people. As a result, I read Chemical Engineering and later Computing and Information Systems in the UK. My entire family, parents, my sister and I, plus sons, read STEM subjects at University. As bad as was Romania in the 80s, I am glad that I did a STEM degree there.
Gonna save it for a day when another vapid feminist starts saying how women all across the world have no rights, while simultaneously projecting her/his American worldview onto everyone else
I can’t speak for the rest of Eastern Europe, but in Romania research in universities is severely underfunded compared to Westen Europe. Wages for researchers are not higher than any other job, unless you climb the top of the ladder. PhDs are treated as students, and only offered a small scholarship of less than 200€ per month (i.e. covers your grocery bill and nothing else). Whereas in the Netherlands for example, PhDs are treated as employees and have a wage that allows them to live and save money. In Romania, the low wages for research positions make it less socially acceptable for men to pursue them, as they are pushed towards/ they are more interested in more (immediately) profitable careers, allowing women to hold the majority in research.
Moldova achieved perfect balance
outside of engineering, computing and physics related fields, most science fields have way more female students than male ones even in germany. Biology, chemistry, math, the vast majority of soft sciences are either 50/50 or have a huge female surplus. Even economics and law are close to 50/50. Medicine too probably has a female surplus as it’s basically just biology. So i can’t quite understand this low percentage.
That’s a proper tricky one to analyze, because basically the first look at it feels like… the less women in research the more Nobel prices ?
I am from Azerbaijan. Yet, it is correct. We have more women in research field than men but reason behind it is really different.
During Soviet period researching was pretty prestigious field. After fell of SU this field is not attractive anymore because no one allocate money for research. And it is was very difficult to get enough salary for living. That is why men used to choice researching as a career goal.
Looks like the first four countries have a problem with gender equality
This is always a fun thread.
Who did this search? And why Azerbaijan is better than Turkey?
I had this conversation with a social studies professor about how we have more women in STEM in former communist countries. This is what she told me.
Richer countries can afford having only one money earner in the home, that is usually the man. So women can afford to do a non STEM job for less money.
In poorer contrives women know that they are expected to have a good job if they want to not live in poverty.
The researchers in Azerbaijan are studying how to kill Armenians more effectively
They’re researching women in a lot of surprising places
Can you also specify the category?
Was this research about women researchers made by a female researcher?
If anyone is curious about the US:
For ages under 75 women make up 43%.
For ages under 29 women make up 56%.
Also worth noting there is a significant pay gap. Men in STEM make $36.34 on average and women make $31.11 on average.
Also, those percentage stats are for anyone in science or engineering (not necessarily research) and the pay gap is for all STEM.
And as a physicist, I can tell you those percents are not consistent with all fields. Physics has a ***much*** higher sex imbalance than chemistry or biology.
I fucking hate r/europe. What a bunch of haters.
Why is the Republic of Kosovo not shown on this map?
Besser als die Deutschen
it’s inversely correlated with the innovativeness chart
I work in STEM in Germany and knew it was meh but I’m still disappointed. Shame on you, Germany.
The more equal distribution is probably valid for a lot of ex-comunist countries which had central planning: the state set quotas for different universities that had to be filled. So at the end of school, women and men were just as likely to be “recommended” (sometimes forced) to go to STEM.
This trend has been slowly changing once everybody was free to choose after the fall of comunism. It is moving towards most fields being strongly unequal, just like western Europe.