>It is understood that the party has suspended Graham Jones, its candidate for Hyndburn, after a recording emerged of him referring to “fucking Israel” and saying that Britons who fight for the Israel Defense Forces should be “locked up”.
This might be the best week the Tories have had in over a year.
At least this time Labour didn’t dither and waste time trying to defend their candidate.
It’s extremely tempting to have a good *schadenfreude*-infused laugh at the massive trap the Labour leadership has set for itself over the past four years, but this is genuinely quite sinister. The Ottoman court-level of petty counter-democratic factionalism & subterfuge in the incoming party of government, the fact suggesting that volunteering to fight for a foreign military perpetrating a plausible genocide should come with legal consequences is apparently now *verboten* in British political life, and the fact that the press is apparently willing to play along with it all… it’s not adding up to anything good!
Good news
So what is wrong with saying’F*cking Israel’? If he had said ‘F*cking New Zealand’ it would have been acceptable?
This isn’t a bad thing for Labour as I suspect one of the reasons they lost that seat last time was because of his personal popularity. Another candidate will almost certainly secure that seat for Labour.
….I’ve heard if you look into a mirror at midnight and say
“Fucking Israel”
“Fucking Israel”
“Fucking Israel”
kier Starmer will appear behind you.
So I’m not really sure about this one. He’s wrong to say that it is illegal to fight as a Brit in a foreign army (maybe it should be, but for now it’s not) so his idea that they should be ‘locked up’ is incorrect, but I don’t see what he said as being antisemitic. Open to disagreement though
He was suspended for saying:
* “Fuck Israel” – which most outside of the Tories agree with
* “Anybody Brits who serve in the IDF should be locked up” – the IDF have credibly been accused of war crimes
Unreal how different the reactions are when the persecuted people aren’t white Christian Europeans (Ukrainians) but brown Middle-Eastern Muslims (Palestinians).
I mean… I’m not sure what the law is but I don’t think we should be allowing UK citizens to participate in a genocide
This version of labour is just not sustainable if it’s publicly policing UK politician thoughts on behalf of another country. UK voters will eventually tear it a new one.
I want a labour that is focused on UK concerns atm and not just a faux ME superpower super poodle just because they’ve received ‘lobbying’ funds.
Labour is broken and it won’t survive at this rate.
Having America in on your pocket isn’t enough?
This isn’t even that bad. Our PM said, remember the window letterbox racist remark.
This is minor and if anything then second part is the truth said out loud.
Meanwhile, expressing *support* for the genocide is absolutely fine.
I listened to the recording and there is nothing antisemitic about it at all. This man has been suspended because he does not agree with the actions of a foreign state. Scary times for british democracy indeed.
Labour on their way to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Again.
Given labours well documented Corbyn era problems with anti-Semitism, that Starmer was elected to sort out, this is really not a good look.
I mean, all they have to do at this point is not shit themselves on national telly, and yet here they are, lobbing turds around like a pack of feces lovin’ chimps at a shit flinging contest.
The problem he’s made for himself is that anything other than immediate expulsions makes him look very weak on the issue, but those expulsions will also cost him votes. The weaker he looks the more antisemitism his party will indulge in.
This sub loves rushing to defend labour, but out in the real world this is a serious problem for Starmer. He certainly can’t afford to wait for a second report to their own watchdog to act.
The suspension I don’t understand is the guy who said he wanted peace for Israelis and Palestinians “from the river to the sea”. The good natured intent is obvious, but because he used that phrase it’s deemed unacceptable.
It’s unjust and worrying.
AntisemitismGate 2.0: The only way Tories can stay in power is to push Starmer to take hard-line Zionist position and endorse Netanyahu thus alienating his base and ethnic vote. At the same time pressing on with these charges will just endorsed the opinion of those who got convinced that Labour is antisemitic last time round.
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>It is understood that the party has suspended Graham Jones, its candidate for Hyndburn, after a recording emerged of him referring to “fucking Israel” and saying that Britons who fight for the Israel Defense Forces should be “locked up”.
This might be the best week the Tories have had in over a year.
At least this time Labour didn’t dither and waste time trying to defend their candidate.
It’s extremely tempting to have a good *schadenfreude*-infused laugh at the massive trap the Labour leadership has set for itself over the past four years, but this is genuinely quite sinister. The Ottoman court-level of petty counter-democratic factionalism & subterfuge in the incoming party of government, the fact suggesting that volunteering to fight for a foreign military perpetrating a plausible genocide should come with legal consequences is apparently now *verboten* in British political life, and the fact that the press is apparently willing to play along with it all… it’s not adding up to anything good!
Good news
So what is wrong with saying’F*cking Israel’? If he had said ‘F*cking New Zealand’ it would have been acceptable?
This isn’t a bad thing for Labour as I suspect one of the reasons they lost that seat last time was because of his personal popularity. Another candidate will almost certainly secure that seat for Labour.
….I’ve heard if you look into a mirror at midnight and say
“Fucking Israel”
“Fucking Israel”
“Fucking Israel”
kier Starmer will appear behind you.
So I’m not really sure about this one. He’s wrong to say that it is illegal to fight as a Brit in a foreign army (maybe it should be, but for now it’s not) so his idea that they should be ‘locked up’ is incorrect, but I don’t see what he said as being antisemitic. Open to disagreement though
He was suspended for saying:
* “Fuck Israel” – which most outside of the Tories agree with
* “Anybody Brits who serve in the IDF should be locked up” – the IDF have credibly been accused of war crimes
Unreal how different the reactions are when the persecuted people aren’t white Christian Europeans (Ukrainians) but brown Middle-Eastern Muslims (Palestinians).
I mean… I’m not sure what the law is but I don’t think we should be allowing UK citizens to participate in a genocide
This version of labour is just not sustainable if it’s publicly policing UK politician thoughts on behalf of another country. UK voters will eventually tear it a new one.
I want a labour that is focused on UK concerns atm and not just a faux ME superpower super poodle just because they’ve received ‘lobbying’ funds.
Labour is broken and it won’t survive at this rate.
Having America in on your pocket isn’t enough?
This isn’t even that bad. Our PM said, remember the window letterbox racist remark.
This is minor and if anything then second part is the truth said out loud.
Meanwhile, expressing *support* for the genocide is absolutely fine.
I listened to the recording and there is nothing antisemitic about it at all. This man has been suspended because he does not agree with the actions of a foreign state. Scary times for british democracy indeed.
Labour on their way to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Again.
Given labours well documented Corbyn era problems with anti-Semitism, that Starmer was elected to sort out, this is really not a good look.
I mean, all they have to do at this point is not shit themselves on national telly, and yet here they are, lobbing turds around like a pack of feces lovin’ chimps at a shit flinging contest.
The problem he’s made for himself is that anything other than immediate expulsions makes him look very weak on the issue, but those expulsions will also cost him votes. The weaker he looks the more antisemitism his party will indulge in.
This sub loves rushing to defend labour, but out in the real world this is a serious problem for Starmer. He certainly can’t afford to wait for a second report to their own watchdog to act.
The suspension I don’t understand is the guy who said he wanted peace for Israelis and Palestinians “from the river to the sea”. The good natured intent is obvious, but because he used that phrase it’s deemed unacceptable.
It’s unjust and worrying.
AntisemitismGate 2.0: The only way Tories can stay in power is to push Starmer to take hard-line Zionist position and endorse Netanyahu thus alienating his base and ethnic vote. At the same time pressing on with these charges will just endorsed the opinion of those who got convinced that Labour is antisemitic last time round.
It’s a great strategy. 14 more years!