Fuck sake. If you’re not going to jail him his license you should at least be permanently removed. We’re far too lenient towards drivers, it’s a privilege not a right for you to be driving rough two tonnes of metal; if you prove you’re too much of a petulant child to drive one, that should be it, you’ve had your chance.
What a joke of a sentence. He should be behind bars for years. Instead he’s laughing at getting a slap on the wrist. The whole justice system needs a complete overhaul.
I hope the cyclist takes him for as much as possible in the civil courts, althouhg I’d imagine that will just be paid by the insurance.
Attempted murder once you undress it. Bloke gets three grand and his back is permanently fucked.
If you didn’t laugh you’d cry.
Am i missing something here?
It beggars beleif that if he caused those sort of injuries without a vehicle (ie he battered him), he would be looking at prision, maybe 5 years, for ABH/GBH.
But in a car or van, it not as bad?
Can anybody in this thread with some insight into the legal process offer any form of explanation as to why judges keep handing out lenient sentences to violent and dangerous motorists.
Why was he charged with dangerous driving and not GBH? Dangerous driving is an offence of recklessness, this was intentional.
There’s an old adage that rings true here – cyclist’s fault.
Long standing problems.
My mum was in an accident in 1985. Turning right, indication whilst doing so and waiting for oncoming traffic to pass first.
A speeding motorcyclist filters past 12 cars waiting behind her and slams into the side of the car as she turns.
Motorcyclist breaks thumb. Mum gets slipped discs, major surgery and a whole 13 months laying flat on a hospital bed post surgery.
White van man behind mum gives statement to police saying she was indicating. Off duty cop in waiting queue of traffic observes the excessive speed of the filtering motorcycle.
When it gets to court the white van man has mysteriously changed his mind on the indicators being on. Mum loses court case. Motorcyclist gets 10k for his broken thumb and his costs paid. Mum gets given the finger 🖕🏿 and gets a lifetime of back pain.
Solicitor says it happens a lot. Guilty party is allowed to see details of those involved and ends up cutting a deal to change statement in return for money.
Dad caught me rifling through old filing cabinets looking for the court paperwork when I found out as an adult. The motorcyclist has a lot of Karma and interest owed on that 10 grand.
As a member of the linked site, this is a story I read almost daily at this point. Drivers using cars as weapons, in a way that would instantly land them in prison if it was (for example) a hammer, getting absolute joke punishments. And if the victim happens to be riding a bike, they hardly get punished at all.
This makes me unfathomably angry. What sort of fucking ridiculous country do we live in where an innocent person can be **deliberately** given spinal fractures and the perpetrator not end up in prison?!
It’s practically attempted murder for fucks sake.
No I don’t give a shit he’s a single dad of 2, I don’t give a shit he relies on his van for his job. Perhaps he should’ve thought of that **before he tried to kill someone**. 2 year driver ban, some rehab, and some community service. What a pisstake.
No punishment at all for almost killing someone.
Also
> the 37-year-old single father to twin boys banned from driving for two years
Not even a long ban
Several months ago I gave way at a junction to a car turning right. He “didn’t see me” (well lit road, lights on my bike like a Christmas tree, hi viz coat on). Cut the corner and slammed right into me fracturing my leg.
Got out of his car and started blaming me for not getting out of the way. I’ve been cycling as transport for at least 30 years. This was the first time I was actually hit but have had countless similar near misses. Some motorists will go out of their way to make things dangerous for cyclists on the road just because they’re there.
Im a cyclist in London and the amount of hate cyclist get on the roads is absolutely shocking. I can’t tell you the amount of times some motorist has deliberately tried to knock me off the bike or speed past me almost grazing me.
Having said that, some cyclists dont do themselves any favours. Jump the lights, absolute disregard for road safety and rules etc.
Is there no way to appeal this insane leniency? Assault with a deadly weapon causing life changing injuries and they walk away with a suspended sentence, fine and two year ban
Genuinely disgusting. Spinal fractures do not just go away, the victim may well suffer for the rest of their life. Clear evidence of intent to harm too, this was not reckless or negligent, the judge agrees it was deliberate. That sentence is an absolute disgrace, the justice system in this country is a joke. A supposedly first world country that can no longer afford to lock violent criminals away. There’s basically zero chance that the driver is even off the road for 2 years as well, driving bans are also an unenforced joke.
> “Adam Ruszkowski was described in court as an “inconsiderate, violent driver”
So … he tried to murder someone; because ramming a vehicle into them and another solid surface isn’t exactly like giving some a slap – it’s intent to harm them in the most damaging, physical, deadly way possible …. and the upshot is a fine, some community service and no vehicle “for a bit”. What a fucking joke.
Every part of the sentence is ridiculous. In two years, his suspended sentence will have elapsed and his driving ban will have elapsed.
So this attempted murderer effectively is free of any consequences of his actions in two years.
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Taking your own justice will become the apparent, overwhelming response here as the law itself and the courts consistently fail to provide a proportional, just judgment.
“The single father to two twin boys”
I despise papers that include these craven attempts to reframe the cunt in a sympathetic light.
Crazy, I read the article expecting some context, but nope.
and what’s 3 grand for that kind of injury?! I’d want that man’s fucking pension 😐
I stopped cycling after a bad incident a few years ago which could have left me with life changing injuries were it not for a bit of luck. I wasn’t at fault either. I’ve said for a while it’s not just carelessness of car drivers you have to look out for, some are actively out to get cyclists.
We need public jury’s on road crime, we the people can decide the outcome for the other people so we are accountable to each other.
Continuing the trend of the UK being in decline, we have a justice system that fails to give *_justice_*.
Seems like a broken system to hand out suspended sentences for violent crime.
Also how has this guy not been banned from driving? He clearly can’t control his road rage, seems like a mistake that will endanger others to not ban him from driving.
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Fuck sake. If you’re not going to jail him his license you should at least be permanently removed. We’re far too lenient towards drivers, it’s a privilege not a right for you to be driving rough two tonnes of metal; if you prove you’re too much of a petulant child to drive one, that should be it, you’ve had your chance.
What a joke of a sentence. He should be behind bars for years. Instead he’s laughing at getting a slap on the wrist. The whole justice system needs a complete overhaul.
What an absolute pisstake.
[https://www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review](https://www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review)
(I doubt it can be reviewed though).
I hope the cyclist takes him for as much as possible in the civil courts, althouhg I’d imagine that will just be paid by the insurance.
Attempted murder once you undress it. Bloke gets three grand and his back is permanently fucked.
If you didn’t laugh you’d cry.
Am i missing something here?
It beggars beleif that if he caused those sort of injuries without a vehicle (ie he battered him), he would be looking at prision, maybe 5 years, for ABH/GBH.
But in a car or van, it not as bad?
Can anybody in this thread with some insight into the legal process offer any form of explanation as to why judges keep handing out lenient sentences to violent and dangerous motorists.
Why was he charged with dangerous driving and not GBH? Dangerous driving is an offence of recklessness, this was intentional.
There’s an old adage that rings true here – cyclist’s fault.
Long standing problems.
My mum was in an accident in 1985. Turning right, indication whilst doing so and waiting for oncoming traffic to pass first.
A speeding motorcyclist filters past 12 cars waiting behind her and slams into the side of the car as she turns.
Motorcyclist breaks thumb. Mum gets slipped discs, major surgery and a whole 13 months laying flat on a hospital bed post surgery.
White van man behind mum gives statement to police saying she was indicating. Off duty cop in waiting queue of traffic observes the excessive speed of the filtering motorcycle.
When it gets to court the white van man has mysteriously changed his mind on the indicators being on. Mum loses court case. Motorcyclist gets 10k for his broken thumb and his costs paid. Mum gets given the finger 🖕🏿 and gets a lifetime of back pain.
Solicitor says it happens a lot. Guilty party is allowed to see details of those involved and ends up cutting a deal to change statement in return for money.
Dad caught me rifling through old filing cabinets looking for the court paperwork when I found out as an adult. The motorcyclist has a lot of Karma and interest owed on that 10 grand.
As a member of the linked site, this is a story I read almost daily at this point. Drivers using cars as weapons, in a way that would instantly land them in prison if it was (for example) a hammer, getting absolute joke punishments. And if the victim happens to be riding a bike, they hardly get punished at all.
This makes me unfathomably angry. What sort of fucking ridiculous country do we live in where an innocent person can be **deliberately** given spinal fractures and the perpetrator not end up in prison?!
It’s practically attempted murder for fucks sake.
No I don’t give a shit he’s a single dad of 2, I don’t give a shit he relies on his van for his job. Perhaps he should’ve thought of that **before he tried to kill someone**. 2 year driver ban, some rehab, and some community service. What a pisstake.
No punishment at all for almost killing someone.
Also
> the 37-year-old single father to twin boys banned from driving for two years
Not even a long ban
Several months ago I gave way at a junction to a car turning right. He “didn’t see me” (well lit road, lights on my bike like a Christmas tree, hi viz coat on). Cut the corner and slammed right into me fracturing my leg.
Got out of his car and started blaming me for not getting out of the way. I’ve been cycling as transport for at least 30 years. This was the first time I was actually hit but have had countless similar near misses. Some motorists will go out of their way to make things dangerous for cyclists on the road just because they’re there.
Im a cyclist in London and the amount of hate cyclist get on the roads is absolutely shocking. I can’t tell you the amount of times some motorist has deliberately tried to knock me off the bike or speed past me almost grazing me.
Having said that, some cyclists dont do themselves any favours. Jump the lights, absolute disregard for road safety and rules etc.
Is there no way to appeal this insane leniency? Assault with a deadly weapon causing life changing injuries and they walk away with a suspended sentence, fine and two year ban
Genuinely disgusting. Spinal fractures do not just go away, the victim may well suffer for the rest of their life. Clear evidence of intent to harm too, this was not reckless or negligent, the judge agrees it was deliberate. That sentence is an absolute disgrace, the justice system in this country is a joke. A supposedly first world country that can no longer afford to lock violent criminals away. There’s basically zero chance that the driver is even off the road for 2 years as well, driving bans are also an unenforced joke.
> “Adam Ruszkowski was described in court as an “inconsiderate, violent driver”
So … he tried to murder someone; because ramming a vehicle into them and another solid surface isn’t exactly like giving some a slap – it’s intent to harm them in the most damaging, physical, deadly way possible …. and the upshot is a fine, some community service and no vehicle “for a bit”. What a fucking joke.
Every part of the sentence is ridiculous. In two years, his suspended sentence will have elapsed and his driving ban will have elapsed.
So this attempted murderer effectively is free of any consequences of his actions in two years.
[removed]
Taking your own justice will become the apparent, overwhelming response here as the law itself and the courts consistently fail to provide a proportional, just judgment.
“The single father to two twin boys”
I despise papers that include these craven attempts to reframe the cunt in a sympathetic light.
Crazy, I read the article expecting some context, but nope.
and what’s 3 grand for that kind of injury?! I’d want that man’s fucking pension 😐
I stopped cycling after a bad incident a few years ago which could have left me with life changing injuries were it not for a bit of luck. I wasn’t at fault either. I’ve said for a while it’s not just carelessness of car drivers you have to look out for, some are actively out to get cyclists.
We need public jury’s on road crime, we the people can decide the outcome for the other people so we are accountable to each other.
Continuing the trend of the UK being in decline, we have a justice system that fails to give *_justice_*.
Seems like a broken system to hand out suspended sentences for violent crime.
Also how has this guy not been banned from driving? He clearly can’t control his road rage, seems like a mistake that will endanger others to not ban him from driving.