How about putting in reliable public transport options that people would prefer to use instead of driving.
Ah no sorry, that makes actual sense, nevermind.
As if they weren’t doing enough to discourage people.
Ahh yes a great approach, why provide a practical public transport alternative when we can just “discourage car ownership”.
As always, discourage car ownership in one of the most expensive places to own a car anyway and not provide any reasonably functioning public transport as an alternative.
How about public transport and a bit of a logic?
There was an article in the Irish Examiner urging Cork City to restrict parking in the City, as if we need another reason to avoid the City Centre and go to Ballincollig, Blackpool, Douglas or Mahon instead.
How about just making public transport not shit so people don’t feel the need to drive everywhere?
All stick and no carrot
Perhaps start with parking spaces for politicians.
There need to be viable alternatives first before beating people over the head with increased costs, hassle and banning of motor vehicles.
I’d love to be able to use public transport to ge to work or town, but it’s utter fucking dogshit. It’s expensive for what I get, it’s inconsistent and it is inflexible. Until that improves I’m basically forced to use a car so making it harder for me isn’t going to magically make public transport an appealing option.
That’s it, keep pushing responsibility onto citizens instead of tackling the real reasons people choose to pay insane money to drive in this country – a lack of alternative options.
Idiots! Maybe put in an underground first and give people alternatives.
Ireland’s whole way of city planning involves forcing this that and the other rather than providing alternatives.
New buildings, don’t provide parking that way people won’t drive. No people will still drive and park all over the place.
Traffic make congestion as bad as possible in the city, people won’t drive.
Or, they couple build high speed high capacity underground rail now.
For me to visit my other half it would take a 40min dart ride and then another 30min bus ride by public transport or 60min cycle or 30mins in car, with the option of going anywhere after without having to plan it …🙄
The people making these decisions should be banned from owning or using any type of car ..but then again they were probably born at the right time and bought a house close to work so it’s no big deal for them
“According to the NESC, this can be done through cutting back on car parking spaces or by putting in place parking further away from people’s homes.” Great workout carrying all the shopping from the car to the house half a mile away in one trip.
People need two motors , to run kids around, go to two separate jobs , to pay for a house they barely see. No parking on the streets , so they demolish their front gardens. Kill wildlife. Increase surface water run off. Cause flooding. Taxes increase to pay for alleviation . It’s a tedious, vicious circle .
As if I need more motivation to not drive to shop local. Buy online it is.
Fantastic allocation of car parking at both leinster House and Dublin City Council.
Go figure.
* edit * and a quick Google map search shows that there is also plenty of car parking at the national economic and social council.
Cut the fucking price of the bus maybe ?
The reason why our bus system is maddeningly inconsistent is because of cars blocking bus lanes, or no bus lanes at all. Properly enforcing that will help massively.
But in general if less people drove our buses will be more consistent. Hence this reccomendation
I think they should be building car parks just on the outside of towns all over the country. There certainly is car pollution, as in there’s car littered all over every town in the country.
I was going around to nice towns with my camera to take photos before covid and it was a complete waste of time, every street had cars parked everywhere.
Small towns are a nightmare to get through because people park on the side of the street, then someone else comes along, can’t park right outside of the door, so literally just stops their car in the middle of the road and goes to do their business.
A car park would mean people get a bit of exercise walking to their car, streets wouldn’t be polluted with cars and our tiny streets would be easier to get around for everybody.
People just park on footpaths blocking it for pedestrians when there’s no parking available. They know there’ll be no penalty cause there’s feck all gardaí around. That’s how it is in my town anyway. Especially near the schools, which means little kids can’t cycle to school, without going on the road where all the cars are speeding and the drains sink down into potholes.
Rather than punishing drivers we should focus on improving infrastructure for those who walk, cycle and take public transportation.
Yep. Absolutely NO mention of improved public transport in the ‘carrot approach’. Cycling in a built up area’s a young person’s game. Older drivers will be seriously disadvantaged should this go ahead.
Great idea. We should also close down businesses that people might drive to and ban roads in housing estates so people can’t drive home. I’m also going to gouge my eyes out so I won’t be able to drive as much.
Discourage car ownership OK, but encourage what exactly?
Work from home?
Use of public transport? What if you do not live in Dublin? Tough luck?
When I lived in Dublin, I had a car. I had to have one. No option, I couldn’t function properly with public transport as it was.
I moved to London and took my car with me. I got rid of the car. Didn’t need it. More cost and hassle than it was worth.
Jesus, these people. It’s not about discouraging people from having a car, it’s about making it convenient enough to live without one.
€15k car over ten years is €1500 per year depreciation. Insurance another €700, tax another €300, NCT and servicing another €350 call it. Fuel? Can’t even guess at a figure with prices so much higher than when I last drove there. So the guts of €4k to run a car for a year. That’s pricey, €8k before tax basically. People wouldn’t choose that if other means were actually viable for them.
I go back to Ireland about once a year and it’s absolutely mental to see how many cars take turns driving down the main streets of every town and city, mostly with only the driver. Yes, the public transport ain’t great, but a lot of these trips could easily be done using your own damn legs.
Maybe invest heavily in public transport and security then. I’m a 26 y/p man, and ngl, I’ve felt unsafe on the DART on more than one occasion this week.
How about build some fucking public transport?
Pushing electric car… but decreasing car spots.
Pushing cycling… but not providing cycle lanes.
Pushing the price of drink at home so people go to public houses… but canceling night link.
Absolutely infuriating. I’m for the reduction of cars but there needs to be some *viable* and convenient alternatives.
It’s easy… this costs them nothing.
Just makes other people pay more as supply/demand works. I’m suuuuuuuure that the private car parks wouldn’t use this to justify increasing their prices while the cost of providing their service remains the same /s
All the other other good ideas on here; improved public transport, proper cycle infrastructure, etc. All cost money.
Why are there no orbital bus routes in Dublin, like to have a shuttle running up and down the M50 would be SO EASY and would be a defo money spinner.
There is already a tonne of things that discourage car ownership in Ireland (VRT, Insurance, Tax, fuel prices). The reason people pay so much to own a car is because it’s a necessary convenience in Ireland. It feels like these plans are formulated around the idea they everyone lives in a city centre.
Fuck off Greens I’m keeping my car, live in Kilcoole and Work in Ballymount.
They think I’m getting multiple forms of public transport to get into work and increase my travel time in doing so.
Suck my d**k Green Party, we all know this is your idea!
Regarding parking spaces, was told by WCC that our development had 1.5 spaces per dwelling too as another poster mentioned. Have yet to see .5 of a car for sale yet???
Pencil pushers sitting at desks who haven’t got a fucking clue!!
Rant over!
Retarded idea. Anyone who has other viable options is using them. Improve public transport to a point where its not awful then see
Serious question for those in favour: How do you propose that city dwellers be able to go for hill walks etc in popular mountainous areas outside the city environment, if nobody has their own cars? Public transport is a joke in this regard and finishes far, far too early in the day for people to ever feel like they’d have genuine freedom. A lot of people in my extended family would drive out semi-regularly to places such as the Wicklow or Dublin mountains for Sunday walks – if none of them had cars, this incredibly healthy and fun activity would be entirely off limits to them.
I’m not suggesting society carries on as-is, but the reality has to be faced at some stage that there are areas in Ireland which are entirely inaccessible by public transport – or, much more problematically, are served by public transport only until a relatively early time in the evening, thus severely limiting access without private cars.
Hill walking is just one of many activities which involve driving to parts of the countryside which are otherwise just not accessible. If we’re going to force private cars out of society, we *must* provide proper alternatives for those who like to travel outside areas which are currently well served by public transport, or who like to do so outside the relatively restricted hours in which public transport in Ireland operates.
Maybe we could do something like the opposite of a park and ride – get a bus to a warehouse somewhere and rent a car for the day if you’re having that kind of day out? You’d have to introduce 24/7 public transport though. It is simply unacceptable to tell the public that because of these limitations, certain activities or places to go will be fundamentally inaccessible because public transport only operates between X and Y hours of the day.
What annoys me about this debate is that nobody ever seems to raise these issues. Genuine question, are city dwellers supposed to simply give up travelling, hiking, cycling etc in the countryside? Because if you take away peoples’ cars without providing a comprehensive alternative, that’s what you’re saying. Someone who lives in an apartment block near the Grand Canal will have no way to get to somewhere like Djouce or the Sugar Loaf.
“We need to discourage car ownership”
Lad, I would give up my car in a heartbeat if I thought I could get away without it. You think I like sitting in traffic? You think I like dropping €75 a week in petrol into it?
I would absolutely love to get rid of the car. Nearest train station is about a 40 minute walk and your bike wouldn’t last 15 minutes before some teenager is cycling away on it.
Dublin Bus still seem to think that the only places I need to go are Towards City Centre or Away From City Centre.
If you lived in Lucan and wanted to go to IKEA, it’s about 15 minutes by car and 2 hours by public transport.
It’s a complete no-go, and I imagine there’s loads of people in my exact position who would absolutely take public transport if it were a viable option.
Headline 5 years from now: NESC chair resigns to take board seat for Q-Park SA.
I’m all for disincentivising car usage as much as possible but the government have done jack shit to provide alternatives.
This would make sense if they used that money to improve public transport and cycling routes.
Excellent idea. Huge amounts of space is taken up with car parking, it’s unreal.
This wont change anything, theyll just park on the pavements
Make public transport cheaper than the car , make cycling safer maybe. But no just get rid of car parking spaces.
All politicians should have to use public transport for the entirety of their time in office. If its not good enough in their area then it should be on them to fix it. If the problem doesn’t directly affect them odds are they won’t fix it. Ie the housing crisis
They do this in new estates. Only provide parking for 60% of residents is a tactic used in some estates to discourage car ownership.
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Of course, in this country you need a car, so you just end up with cars parked all over footpaths and green areas.
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How about putting in reliable public transport options that people would prefer to use instead of driving.
Ah no sorry, that makes actual sense, nevermind.
As if they weren’t doing enough to discourage people.
Ahh yes a great approach, why provide a practical public transport alternative when we can just “discourage car ownership”.
As always, discourage car ownership in one of the most expensive places to own a car anyway and not provide any reasonably functioning public transport as an alternative.
How about public transport and a bit of a logic?
There was an article in the Irish Examiner urging Cork City to restrict parking in the City, as if we need another reason to avoid the City Centre and go to Ballincollig, Blackpool, Douglas or Mahon instead.
How about just making public transport not shit so people don’t feel the need to drive everywhere?
All stick and no carrot
Perhaps start with parking spaces for politicians.
There need to be viable alternatives first before beating people over the head with increased costs, hassle and banning of motor vehicles.
I’d love to be able to use public transport to ge to work or town, but it’s utter fucking dogshit. It’s expensive for what I get, it’s inconsistent and it is inflexible. Until that improves I’m basically forced to use a car so making it harder for me isn’t going to magically make public transport an appealing option.
That’s it, keep pushing responsibility onto citizens instead of tackling the real reasons people choose to pay insane money to drive in this country – a lack of alternative options.
Idiots! Maybe put in an underground first and give people alternatives.
Ireland’s whole way of city planning involves forcing this that and the other rather than providing alternatives.
New buildings, don’t provide parking that way people won’t drive. No people will still drive and park all over the place.
Traffic make congestion as bad as possible in the city, people won’t drive.
Or, they couple build high speed high capacity underground rail now.
For me to visit my other half it would take a 40min dart ride and then another 30min bus ride by public transport or 60min cycle or 30mins in car, with the option of going anywhere after without having to plan it …🙄
The people making these decisions should be banned from owning or using any type of car ..but then again they were probably born at the right time and bought a house close to work so it’s no big deal for them
“According to the NESC, this can be done through cutting back on car parking spaces or by putting in place parking further away from people’s homes.” Great workout carrying all the shopping from the car to the house half a mile away in one trip.
People need two motors , to run kids around, go to two separate jobs , to pay for a house they barely see. No parking on the streets , so they demolish their front gardens. Kill wildlife. Increase surface water run off. Cause flooding. Taxes increase to pay for alleviation . It’s a tedious, vicious circle .
As if I need more motivation to not drive to shop local. Buy online it is.
Fantastic allocation of car parking at both leinster House and Dublin City Council.
Go figure.
* edit * and a quick Google map search shows that there is also plenty of car parking at the national economic and social council.
Cut the fucking price of the bus maybe ?
The reason why our bus system is maddeningly inconsistent is because of cars blocking bus lanes, or no bus lanes at all. Properly enforcing that will help massively.
But in general if less people drove our buses will be more consistent. Hence this reccomendation
I think they should be building car parks just on the outside of towns all over the country. There certainly is car pollution, as in there’s car littered all over every town in the country.
I was going around to nice towns with my camera to take photos before covid and it was a complete waste of time, every street had cars parked everywhere.
Small towns are a nightmare to get through because people park on the side of the street, then someone else comes along, can’t park right outside of the door, so literally just stops their car in the middle of the road and goes to do their business.
A car park would mean people get a bit of exercise walking to their car, streets wouldn’t be polluted with cars and our tiny streets would be easier to get around for everybody.
People just park on footpaths blocking it for pedestrians when there’s no parking available. They know there’ll be no penalty cause there’s feck all gardaí around. That’s how it is in my town anyway. Especially near the schools, which means little kids can’t cycle to school, without going on the road where all the cars are speeding and the drains sink down into potholes.
Rather than punishing drivers we should focus on improving infrastructure for those who walk, cycle and take public transportation.
Yep. Absolutely NO mention of improved public transport in the ‘carrot approach’. Cycling in a built up area’s a young person’s game. Older drivers will be seriously disadvantaged should this go ahead.
Great idea. We should also close down businesses that people might drive to and ban roads in housing estates so people can’t drive home. I’m also going to gouge my eyes out so I won’t be able to drive as much.
Discourage car ownership OK, but encourage what exactly?
Work from home?
Use of public transport? What if you do not live in Dublin? Tough luck?
When I lived in Dublin, I had a car. I had to have one. No option, I couldn’t function properly with public transport as it was.
I moved to London and took my car with me. I got rid of the car. Didn’t need it. More cost and hassle than it was worth.
Jesus, these people. It’s not about discouraging people from having a car, it’s about making it convenient enough to live without one.
€15k car over ten years is €1500 per year depreciation. Insurance another €700, tax another €300, NCT and servicing another €350 call it. Fuel? Can’t even guess at a figure with prices so much higher than when I last drove there. So the guts of €4k to run a car for a year. That’s pricey, €8k before tax basically. People wouldn’t choose that if other means were actually viable for them.
ITT: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theonion.com/report-98-percent-of-u-s-commuters-favor-public-trans-1819565837/amp
I go back to Ireland about once a year and it’s absolutely mental to see how many cars take turns driving down the main streets of every town and city, mostly with only the driver. Yes, the public transport ain’t great, but a lot of these trips could easily be done using your own damn legs.
Maybe invest heavily in public transport and security then. I’m a 26 y/p man, and ngl, I’ve felt unsafe on the DART on more than one occasion this week.
How about build some fucking public transport?
Pushing electric car… but decreasing car spots.
Pushing cycling… but not providing cycle lanes.
Pushing the price of drink at home so people go to public houses… but canceling night link.
Absolutely infuriating. I’m for the reduction of cars but there needs to be some *viable* and convenient alternatives.
It’s easy… this costs them nothing.
Just makes other people pay more as supply/demand works. I’m suuuuuuuure that the private car parks wouldn’t use this to justify increasing their prices while the cost of providing their service remains the same /s
All the other other good ideas on here; improved public transport, proper cycle infrastructure, etc. All cost money.
Why are there no orbital bus routes in Dublin, like to have a shuttle running up and down the M50 would be SO EASY and would be a defo money spinner.
There is already a tonne of things that discourage car ownership in Ireland (VRT, Insurance, Tax, fuel prices). The reason people pay so much to own a car is because it’s a necessary convenience in Ireland. It feels like these plans are formulated around the idea they everyone lives in a city centre.
Fuck off Greens I’m keeping my car, live in Kilcoole and Work in Ballymount.
They think I’m getting multiple forms of public transport to get into work and increase my travel time in doing so.
Suck my d**k Green Party, we all know this is your idea!
Regarding parking spaces, was told by WCC that our development had 1.5 spaces per dwelling too as another poster mentioned. Have yet to see .5 of a car for sale yet???
Pencil pushers sitting at desks who haven’t got a fucking clue!!
Rant over!
Retarded idea. Anyone who has other viable options is using them. Improve public transport to a point where its not awful then see
Serious question for those in favour: How do you propose that city dwellers be able to go for hill walks etc in popular mountainous areas outside the city environment, if nobody has their own cars? Public transport is a joke in this regard and finishes far, far too early in the day for people to ever feel like they’d have genuine freedom. A lot of people in my extended family would drive out semi-regularly to places such as the Wicklow or Dublin mountains for Sunday walks – if none of them had cars, this incredibly healthy and fun activity would be entirely off limits to them.
I’m not suggesting society carries on as-is, but the reality has to be faced at some stage that there are areas in Ireland which are entirely inaccessible by public transport – or, much more problematically, are served by public transport only until a relatively early time in the evening, thus severely limiting access without private cars.
Hill walking is just one of many activities which involve driving to parts of the countryside which are otherwise just not accessible. If we’re going to force private cars out of society, we *must* provide proper alternatives for those who like to travel outside areas which are currently well served by public transport, or who like to do so outside the relatively restricted hours in which public transport in Ireland operates.
Maybe we could do something like the opposite of a park and ride – get a bus to a warehouse somewhere and rent a car for the day if you’re having that kind of day out? You’d have to introduce 24/7 public transport though. It is simply unacceptable to tell the public that because of these limitations, certain activities or places to go will be fundamentally inaccessible because public transport only operates between X and Y hours of the day.
What annoys me about this debate is that nobody ever seems to raise these issues. Genuine question, are city dwellers supposed to simply give up travelling, hiking, cycling etc in the countryside? Because if you take away peoples’ cars without providing a comprehensive alternative, that’s what you’re saying. Someone who lives in an apartment block near the Grand Canal will have no way to get to somewhere like Djouce or the Sugar Loaf.
“We need to discourage car ownership”
Lad, I would give up my car in a heartbeat if I thought I could get away without it. You think I like sitting in traffic? You think I like dropping €75 a week in petrol into it?
I would absolutely love to get rid of the car. Nearest train station is about a 40 minute walk and your bike wouldn’t last 15 minutes before some teenager is cycling away on it.
Dublin Bus still seem to think that the only places I need to go are Towards City Centre or Away From City Centre.
If you lived in Lucan and wanted to go to IKEA, it’s about 15 minutes by car and 2 hours by public transport.
It’s a complete no-go, and I imagine there’s loads of people in my exact position who would absolutely take public transport if it were a viable option.
Headline 5 years from now: NESC chair resigns to take board seat for Q-Park SA.
I’m all for disincentivising car usage as much as possible but the government have done jack shit to provide alternatives.
This would make sense if they used that money to improve public transport and cycling routes.
Excellent idea. Huge amounts of space is taken up with car parking, it’s unreal.
This wont change anything, theyll just park on the pavements
Make public transport cheaper than the car , make cycling safer maybe. But no just get rid of car parking spaces.
All politicians should have to use public transport for the entirety of their time in office. If its not good enough in their area then it should be on them to fix it. If the problem doesn’t directly affect them odds are they won’t fix it. Ie the housing crisis
They do this in new estates. Only provide parking for 60% of residents is a tactic used in some estates to discourage car ownership.
​
Of course, in this country you need a car, so you just end up with cars parked all over footpaths and green areas.