What do you think of this? Is this hatred on my part? I was banned from r/Belfast today for this.
I feel somehow I have to clarify I have no issues with Jewish people… I resent even having to clarify that. Paul Currie’s actions are provocative and agressive to say the least and shut down any form of discussion in favour of making loud gutteral noises and serve only to piss people off… but I’m saying you can’t assume the guy has an issue with Jewish people? Israel are being criticised for committing war crimes in Gaza and people are trying to boil this stance down to something as simple as ‘you hate jews’. I get Hamas are a serious problem but you can’t attempt to wipe out a whole race … how will this ever even achieve wiping out Hamas anyway? Does this not only harden their resolve?
The crowd were shouting ceasefire now… not wipe the fuckers out? It’s a call to end an agression, not an agression in and of itself? I’m not saying there is no antisemitism in what he did… I’m reserving my judgement on it and not jumping to believe he is antisemitic but it looks to me like someone criticising Israel’s policy of genocide? Not someone targeting Jews?
by ocean_93
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Why did he have to pick on the two guys that weren’t giving him a standing ovation for waving his Palestinian flag?? Why not just leave them alone if they didn’t feel the need to give him a standing ovation for his wee act?
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From what I understand of what happened, what he did was a huge dick move – putting the audience on the spot to perform in a political and controversial spectacle at a comedy gig is going to cause discomfort for anyone who does not feel inclined to taking a position on the matter.
In the specifics it would seem he did not single out the guy for being Jewish, just not joining in to his little political circle jerk. However, he would be aware that such a spectacle would cause discomfort to anyone who feels supportive of Israel, Jewish or not.
I wouldn’t call it anti-Semitic – Zionism and Judaism are not the same thing, but it is definitely divisive and a misuse of his position.
Mods won’t allow the topic but they won’t ban you here.
I want the hot sauce and antisemitism threads ya bastards
Undoubtedly you should not have been banned just for expressing disagreement that this was hatred – there is no world in which that can automatically be hatred itself.
The mod who did that should be removed immediately.
He is an abuser and a scumbag. It’s no surprise that he acted like he did.
I think anyone being intimidated and hounded out of a performance for their political beliefs is pretty vile.
That thread was a massacre.
Anything critical of Israel was removed for “hatred based on Identity” while allowing a comment that was blatantly sectarian to stay. It made me wonder who the mods are in that sub.
Zionism is a political belief that the Jews should have a homeland in modern day Israel. Consequently, it’s mostly a view held by Jewish people. Additionally, we know that almost 95% of Jewish people agree with the central tenets of Zionism.
So when someone says ‘Zionist’ it’s on them to understand that, as sure as nuts is nuts, they are much more than likely talking about Jewish people. When he held up the Palestinian flag, he would have known that it would make any Israelis and upwards of 90% of Jews in the audience uncomfortable. When he singled out the person not standing, he was, I would suggest, 90% sure himself that his next move, to tell him to leave, was throwing a Jew out of his show. He would have been fairly sure the audience would have been on his side.
It’s just straightforward political and religious bigotry and discrimination which then occasioned an actual racial incident.
Pretending otherwise is debating society stuff.
Had never heard of this guy before this news event. Seems like a right bell end.
My understanding, from listening to the interview with the guy from Israel, is that when the audience were asked to stand and clap at the end, the Israeli fella didn’t and was asked, by Paul Currie, why. He stated he took umbridge with the Palestinian flag which to me suggests he is a Zionist and this is nothing to do with Judaism.
The onslaught from Paul after was just ridiculous, he could have used this to have a calm discussion with the fella and ask further questions around why he was insulted by the flag and calling out Zionism.
I don’t think you’ve done anything hateful at all. You and I could debate the hatefulness of someone else’s actions without being tarred by that hatred, real or perceived, at all.
In the debate itself, I’d suggest that the message being shared was unlikely to be heard by anyone you’d remotely expect to be able to act upon it, but would certainly be heard by any Jewish people in the audience who would very likely be made to feel, at best, uncomfortable.
You’d likely counter with an argument that global opinion can make a real difference and perhaps, when children are dying at these horrific rates, we have a moral duty to at least keep the issue at the forefront of public debate.
I could then disagree, and so on.. All the while neither of us being hateful towards each other or anyone else.
Comedy is political, gimps can get fucked lol