We should have given them more at the start, full on, no half measures.
If you pick a fight you go in hard. When Russia were threatening nukes we shouldn’t have been trying to talk to them, just give Ukraine what they need and being stoic. You don’t reason with a bear, you scare it off or kill it.
The gamble of ww3 is something we had to accept, or there was no point going in.
Have they still not got F16s yet? So dumb
Ukraine has fought well and RIP to all those who have died. USA should send more weapons and ammo to stall Russia because let’s be honest, what we are striving for is a weakened Russia.
Missed opportunity for Europe and the US. Should have supported Ukraine with all they got. All this talk about NATO being superior doesn’t matter much if the political will isn’t there to use it effectively.
Apologies to Sun Zu. He be rolling in his grave again.
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Judging by comments it seems like a lot of people fell for russian propaganda of Avdiivka being some kind of the most important place imaginable in Ukraine. For people who think this way i suggest researching where and what this town is and to remember Bakhmut, which lead to the destruction of wagner and was of very small strategical value to russia once captured.
The reason Avdiivka was defended for so long was because it turned into a political issue for russia, forcing them to waste material and soldiers trying to capture it. Check OSINT to see how much russian equipment was destroyed, the reality is that Avdiivka is simply not worth it for russians. But putin needs a ‘win’ before elections, no matter how many russians will have die for it.
Remember, Bakhmut only made things worse for russia, so will Avdiivka. Fighting 10 years to capture a town with less than 2k population is not as big an achievement as russians try to make you think it is.
**Edit**: This comment triggered an avalanche of bots it seems.
**Edit 2**: Did people already forget Ukraine liberated Kharkiv and Kherson oblasts before? What the hell?
**Edit**: Acording to various OSINT sources, russian loses in Avdiivka are AT LEAST 5 times higher than Ukrainian ones, you guys getting the idea yet?
It’s the suburb of Donetsk City. It’s a miracle it managed to stand on the frontline, not just for 2, but actually for almost 10 years
Can anyone please explain why this town is so important? Is it like a strategic point, a hub or something?
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Isn’t it’s just small corner of map? War is so snail paced that one good military operation can overturn results of years of war.
Why this is world news?
Attacking side takes a city at huge cost (40+k casualties) and defending side (hopefully) avoids encircling of their forces. That’s the war. Ukraine did best they could and got net value from this situation. It’s not a tragedy, it’s an episode.
Yes, russian propaganda will have a thing to show as “russia is unstopable” or “putin gets what he wants”, conveniently not speaking about a price or ability to keep paying this price for advancing. Spoiler: there a lot of similar cities in the ukraine.
Don’ve overdramatize and keep supporting Ukraine. Together we will win.
It probably will fall, but even so, it has been a success for Ukraine to defend it. The resources wasted by the Russians trying to take it is immense, and they can’t win if they have to take those trades for every town they come to. Ukraine may get harder pressed, squeeze more out of their resources, and take more losses, but the war is not over, and won’t be for a long time.
Republicans are a fucking bane of existence
Thanks Mike Johnson, you fucking compromised piece of dog shit.
But does nothing to help… US is failing and we are gonna pay because we put trust in you. The only time article 5 was activated by the US. Now when EE needs help they pretend its not their problem. This is the Munich betrayal all over again.
*This is fine.*
~ Republican leaders (while planning their next July 4th Moscow vacations)
Quite shocking that House just went on a two week break as Ukraine is loosing a key stronghold that held for 10 years until ammo ran out. Big hit to Ukrainian morale and an invitation for everyone to attack US allies everywhere.
Who are they warning?
Ukraine surely knows. Europe and the US clearly don’t care. Maybe Russia? That they’re doing a good job?
What are their options then ? blow it all ?
2024 is off to a good start for putin. Navalny is dead, GOP is blocking US help to Ukraine, skylinks in russia avdiivka is about to fall…
Thanks republicans. By the time it passes with all the delays, it would take much more to get back what is lost. And the failures will cascade.
A lot of war seems to be who fucks up less, and we are fucking up big time. Please support Ukraine now so that we won’t have a bigger problem down the road.
At this slow pace of military supply to Ukraine a lot of cities will fall in the upcoming spring and summer as Russia is preparing a second major offensive
That’s what the fucking Republican wanted.
Republicans: yes, good, goooooood
Russia must make the best shovels and washing machines.
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Ukraine aren’t going to make it, are they?
They fought so hard too.
We should have given them more at the start, full on, no half measures.
If you pick a fight you go in hard. When Russia were threatening nukes we shouldn’t have been trying to talk to them, just give Ukraine what they need and being stoic. You don’t reason with a bear, you scare it off or kill it.
The gamble of ww3 is something we had to accept, or there was no point going in.
Have they still not got F16s yet? So dumb
Ukraine has fought well and RIP to all those who have died. USA should send more weapons and ammo to stall Russia because let’s be honest, what we are striving for is a weakened Russia.
Missed opportunity for Europe and the US. Should have supported Ukraine with all they got. All this talk about NATO being superior doesn’t matter much if the political will isn’t there to use it effectively.
Apologies to Sun Zu. He be rolling in his grave again.
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Judging by comments it seems like a lot of people fell for russian propaganda of Avdiivka being some kind of the most important place imaginable in Ukraine. For people who think this way i suggest researching where and what this town is and to remember Bakhmut, which lead to the destruction of wagner and was of very small strategical value to russia once captured.
The reason Avdiivka was defended for so long was because it turned into a political issue for russia, forcing them to waste material and soldiers trying to capture it. Check OSINT to see how much russian equipment was destroyed, the reality is that Avdiivka is simply not worth it for russians. But putin needs a ‘win’ before elections, no matter how many russians will have die for it.
Remember, Bakhmut only made things worse for russia, so will Avdiivka. Fighting 10 years to capture a town with less than 2k population is not as big an achievement as russians try to make you think it is.
**Edit**: This comment triggered an avalanche of bots it seems.
**Edit 2**: Did people already forget Ukraine liberated Kharkiv and Kherson oblasts before? What the hell?
**Edit**: Acording to various OSINT sources, russian loses in Avdiivka are AT LEAST 5 times higher than Ukrainian ones, you guys getting the idea yet?
It’s the suburb of Donetsk City. It’s a miracle it managed to stand on the frontline, not just for 2, but actually for almost 10 years
Can anyone please explain why this town is so important? Is it like a strategic point, a hub or something?
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Isn’t it’s just small corner of map? War is so snail paced that one good military operation can overturn results of years of war.
Why this is world news?
Attacking side takes a city at huge cost (40+k casualties) and defending side (hopefully) avoids encircling of their forces. That’s the war. Ukraine did best they could and got net value from this situation. It’s not a tragedy, it’s an episode.
Yes, russian propaganda will have a thing to show as “russia is unstopable” or “putin gets what he wants”, conveniently not speaking about a price or ability to keep paying this price for advancing. Spoiler: there a lot of similar cities in the ukraine.
Don’ve overdramatize and keep supporting Ukraine. Together we will win.
It probably will fall, but even so, it has been a success for Ukraine to defend it. The resources wasted by the Russians trying to take it is immense, and they can’t win if they have to take those trades for every town they come to. Ukraine may get harder pressed, squeeze more out of their resources, and take more losses, but the war is not over, and won’t be for a long time.
Republicans are a fucking bane of existence
Thanks Mike Johnson, you fucking compromised piece of dog shit.
But does nothing to help… US is failing and we are gonna pay because we put trust in you. The only time article 5 was activated by the US. Now when EE needs help they pretend its not their problem. This is the Munich betrayal all over again.
*This is fine.*
~ Republican leaders (while planning their next July 4th Moscow vacations)
Quite shocking that House just went on a two week break as Ukraine is loosing a key stronghold that held for 10 years until ammo ran out. Big hit to Ukrainian morale and an invitation for everyone to attack US allies everywhere.
Who are they warning?
Ukraine surely knows. Europe and the US clearly don’t care. Maybe Russia? That they’re doing a good job?
What are their options then ? blow it all ?
2024 is off to a good start for putin. Navalny is dead, GOP is blocking US help to Ukraine, skylinks in russia avdiivka is about to fall…
Thanks republicans. By the time it passes with all the delays, it would take much more to get back what is lost. And the failures will cascade.
A lot of war seems to be who fucks up less, and we are fucking up big time. Please support Ukraine now so that we won’t have a bigger problem down the road.
At this slow pace of military supply to Ukraine a lot of cities will fall in the upcoming spring and summer as Russia is preparing a second major offensive
That’s what the fucking Republican wanted.
Republicans: yes, good, goooooood
Russia must make the best shovels and washing machines.