Stop whining about Putin and focus on Europe’s interests, me, random redditor says
Interesting take considering Denmark spends only 1.65% of its GDP on defense.
Dutch directness. Got to love it.
Yes, true
Even if he gets in he won’t have both house. The US ain’t leaving NATO
EU countries spend so much time whinging and talking about what they’re gonna do, rather than.. actually doing it
France-Germany-Benelux alone could be the 3rd most powerful military on earth if they wanted to be.
He’s right. Europe has to become more powerful.
They won’t stop whining. Blaming the Americans for everything and dodging responsibility is the European way.
Netherlands- total tank force- 18. Leased from Germany.
Mark Rutte is just an opportunist, hoping to become general secretary of NATO. He didn’t anytime meet the 2% norm in his 13 years of premiership.
says the man who has spent the last 14 years not focussing on dutch interests at all.
The former front runner of NATO?
Most NATO countries are already at the 2% while they are rebuilding their military, they know they can’t put their faith in 50.000 swing voters. He should know this..
But, that’s all Europeans are good at doing…
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He is right ! Let’s just focus on that ! And do things as if the USA does not exist we can only improve from being under their « protection » it’s time to grow the fuck up !
“Stop being a little bitch” xD
But then we wouldn’t get 3 articles a day in /r/Europe about how another Trump administration presents a danger to Europe and action must be taken (without any action ever being taken.)
Member all those “we are more united than ever before” statements at the beginning of this war? I member. Where did they all go ?
This partly gets at why the US has a larger and better financed military. An important factor is the economics of scale. The US with its larger population and larger army purchases in larger volumes and gets more for their money. The EU needs to federalize
Europes best interest …
Is not having Donald Trump as the American president…
I feel that Rutte surely has a point here, but on the other hand, I feel we shouldn’t abandon the prospect of keeping the US as a strong NATO member. With Rutte’s chances of becoming the new Secretary General for NATO when Stoltenberg is expected to step down in October this year, he has already hinted on Ukrainian NATO membership in the future. I don’t know, but maybe he’s already taking too much on his plate by steering towards an independant European defense capability? I guess the future will tell…
Stop whining about <the thing that heavily impacts the future of europe> and focus on Europe’s interests!
We need more EU!
Better defense cooperation, more industry focus, less dependence on China and the US.
Together we can be a bastion of progressive rights, a titan of industry and a powerhouse in the economy nevermind what we could achieve militarily if we put our hearts to it.
But only if we work together. Bridge our differences and learn from each other.
Good idea.
I hate the this reality where I have to hear the name trump again.
I’ll quit social media and all news if he wins again.
He is right, however having somebody else taking care of defending us is so comfortable that I am not sure Europe is ready to do it on its own.
Getting the budget for defense will mean trading off some of the nice stuff we give for granted.
And then once we have the weapons, how many European citizens will be ready to embrace it on the battleground ?
Having our own defense has lot of consequences, so maybe it is worth whining about Trump one more time… (/s but not too much)
He’s still the Dutch PM. The guy officially stepped back years ago, yet he still is the Dutch PM. This just exemplifies how utterly fucked up the Dutch political system is.
A pretty lowbrow saying here in .nl is Oprutte, a symbiosis of Oprotten (Piss off) and Rutte. The longer this geezer lingers on the more fitting the saying. He pretty much neglected the country with his liberal bs and its in a horrible state right now. To the points that idiot Wilders might even be an improvement. Give the guy his nato job and save us plz!
So… Europe First?
Looks like he visits this sub too.
I don’t remember Rutte being so overly concerned about Europe’s future, when he was PM.
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Stop whining about Putin and focus on Europe’s interests, me, random redditor says
Interesting take considering Denmark spends only 1.65% of its GDP on defense.
Dutch directness. Got to love it.
Yes, true
Even if he gets in he won’t have both house. The US ain’t leaving NATO
EU countries spend so much time whinging and talking about what they’re gonna do, rather than.. actually doing it
France-Germany-Benelux alone could be the 3rd most powerful military on earth if they wanted to be.
He’s right. Europe has to become more powerful.
They won’t stop whining. Blaming the Americans for everything and dodging responsibility is the European way.
Netherlands- total tank force- 18. Leased from Germany.
Mark Rutte is just an opportunist, hoping to become general secretary of NATO. He didn’t anytime meet the 2% norm in his 13 years of premiership.
says the man who has spent the last 14 years not focussing on dutch interests at all.
The former front runner of NATO?
Most NATO countries are already at the 2% while they are rebuilding their military, they know they can’t put their faith in 50.000 swing voters. He should know this..
But, that’s all Europeans are good at doing…
[deleted]
He is right ! Let’s just focus on that ! And do things as if the USA does not exist we can only improve from being under their « protection » it’s time to grow the fuck up !
“Stop being a little bitch” xD
But then we wouldn’t get 3 articles a day in /r/Europe about how another Trump administration presents a danger to Europe and action must be taken (without any action ever being taken.)
Member all those “we are more united than ever before” statements at the beginning of this war? I member. Where did they all go ?
This partly gets at why the US has a larger and better financed military. An important factor is the economics of scale. The US with its larger population and larger army purchases in larger volumes and gets more for their money. The EU needs to federalize
Europes best interest …
Is not having Donald Trump as the American president…
I feel that Rutte surely has a point here, but on the other hand, I feel we shouldn’t abandon the prospect of keeping the US as a strong NATO member. With Rutte’s chances of becoming the new Secretary General for NATO when Stoltenberg is expected to step down in October this year, he has already hinted on Ukrainian NATO membership in the future. I don’t know, but maybe he’s already taking too much on his plate by steering towards an independant European defense capability? I guess the future will tell…
Stop whining about <the thing that heavily impacts the future of europe> and focus on Europe’s interests!
We need more EU!
Better defense cooperation, more industry focus, less dependence on China and the US.
Together we can be a bastion of progressive rights, a titan of industry and a powerhouse in the economy nevermind what we could achieve militarily if we put our hearts to it.
But only if we work together. Bridge our differences and learn from each other.
Good idea.
I hate the this reality where I have to hear the name trump again.
I’ll quit social media and all news if he wins again.
He is right, however having somebody else taking care of defending us is so comfortable that I am not sure Europe is ready to do it on its own.
Getting the budget for defense will mean trading off some of the nice stuff we give for granted.
And then once we have the weapons, how many European citizens will be ready to embrace it on the battleground ?
Having our own defense has lot of consequences, so maybe it is worth whining about Trump one more time… (/s but not too much)
He’s still the Dutch PM. The guy officially stepped back years ago, yet he still is the Dutch PM. This just exemplifies how utterly fucked up the Dutch political system is.
A pretty lowbrow saying here in .nl is Oprutte, a symbiosis of Oprotten (Piss off) and Rutte. The longer this geezer lingers on the more fitting the saying. He pretty much neglected the country with his liberal bs and its in a horrible state right now. To the points that idiot Wilders might even be an improvement. Give the guy his nato job and save us plz!
So… Europe First?
Looks like he visits this sub too.
I don’t remember Rutte being so overly concerned about Europe’s future, when he was PM.