not gonna happen ever honestly. That would require either insane amounts of debt each year or heavy social spending cuts. neither is gonna happen
Please let this happen
We are going to have to act if we want to live in a different world.
Maybe it’s still not too late to invest in Rheinmetall stocks
Interesting times isn’t. I mean to see Germany finally out of their repenting period and go again for military build up. The whole Europe idea was kind of built on that, never again when it was decided to put in common coal and steel production so nobody could start a war again. Looks like Europe is changing nature, and i am personally for it, for more independence. Let’s see where it leads. And France advocated for it for a long time.
They’re back, baby.
Just fyi, that would be c. 145 billion Euros (155 billion Dollars).
Bring back the german war machine. Sounds great.
Should have been done a long time ago, Europe defends Europe and then the yanks can handle their wars against *insert asian or middle east country name here* themselves from now on.
Let’s hope it actually goes toward procurement rather than just a salary increase, or some admin stuff.
Put aside the Schuldenbremse, and let’s go.
Invest heavily in (digital) infrastructure, the military, education and getting red of bureaucracy and we’re golden again. But this won’t happen.
I must say, I am pretty happy with Pistorius & Habeck. If the FDP wouldn’t be such a bunch of killjoys and if we had a different chancellor, we could actually get something done.
They’ve been paying a bit over 1% and shirking their duties for a decade or two now, when the NATO target/standard is 2%, where Britain and France have sat reliably for ages. It’s about time Germany finally stops funding spending at home off of their neighbours backs.
I’ll get downvoted a lot for this because Germany is a bit country and a big part of the sub, and the Brits in general aren’t popular, but a fact is still a fact. Germany spent half the NATO target while France and Britain met the target, saving hundreds of billions of Euros and weakening European defence in the process.
They are so far behind on equipment and ammunition, that they will need decades to get to the point of a working and well equipped army. And that is the easy part – the hard part is to fill in the ranks.
Our government is talking about 5%. I really hope these aren’t hollow words. Europe needs to rearm and fast.
Hopefully this helps the idea of a common EU army grow.
Well well well, looks like we are again ONCE MORE back for a major war.
The west will have to teach those baddies what a functioning economy with money can do when combined with the biggest military alliance of the entire planet
I am German and no, Germany will never spend more for defense except maximum 2% of its GDP.
You have to understand that Germany is currently in a coalition with three parties, the social democrats, the liberals and the green party. The defense minister which is quoted in the article is a social democrat and occasionally demands things that even his own party dismiss after he utters. You have to understand that the federal budget is tight and there is a absolute debt brake enshrined into the constitution meaning the government cannot do a budget deficit for necessary spendings. Germany’s infrastructure and other systems have been scrimped on and need money but the liberals and the conservatives who are needed to change the constitution to allow debts vehemently refuse till to date. They say we cannot make debts as our children generation have to pay for it but they dont understand that state finances work different and an investment into infrastructure is good debt which will pay for itself. Also Germany pays one third of its budget for social expenses like pensions. As Germanys society becomes older the state has to pay more from its budget to pensions etc. That means there is not much room in the budget to spend extra on. For this years budget the state had to cut already billions of dollars from various expenses and this years budget isnt approved yet but it is estimated that the state has to cut another 20 billion euros from various expenses. This shows us that the German federal budget has no room for additional expenses. Germany spent only 1,6% of its GDP on defenses and after the Ukraine war all parties including the conservatives agreed to take on 100 billion € of debt for spending for the defense budget because the constitution does only allow debt when 2/3 of parliament approves (constitution change is needed to take on such an amount of debt). This extra defense debt only allows Germany to reach the target to spend 2% of its GDP on defense but this is exhausted in 2028 or earlier.
TL;DR: The conservatives in Germany and the Liberals reject to take on more debt for spending on defense or other infrastructure investments. From the current budget it cant be taken since the budget is tight because taking on debt and deficit spending is forbidden for the government.
Its sound pretty crazy now, but people forget that the West German army was quite large at the end of the cold war, and undoubtedly much more capable that the current day Bundeswehr. This is much more about restoring all the damage and decay caused by decades of austerity and excessive bureaucracy than creating a “new” army.
Just please PLEASE don’t spend all that taxpayers money on f35’s or other American weapons. Develop them within Europe
Now that music box on the tank is really cranking.
Spend heavily on Luftwaffe and the navy, especially when russia showing no strength in the air and sea, then great news. Trying to increase ground troops and their salaries and buying those ridiculously expensive tanks and armored vehicles, i’m not so sure.
Unleash the Germans!!
Crazy that we’ve reached the point in history that we’re celebrating German rearmament.
It would be such a banger if German military resurgence turns into a awakened giant good ending story.
Russia has fucked with the people that brought the world DIN norms.
Finally a self-sufficient EU military. Next step: military standardization
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not gonna happen ever honestly. That would require either insane amounts of debt each year or heavy social spending cuts. neither is gonna happen
Please let this happen
We are going to have to act if we want to live in a different world.
Maybe it’s still not too late to invest in Rheinmetall stocks
Interesting times isn’t. I mean to see Germany finally out of their repenting period and go again for military build up. The whole Europe idea was kind of built on that, never again when it was decided to put in common coal and steel production so nobody could start a war again. Looks like Europe is changing nature, and i am personally for it, for more independence. Let’s see where it leads. And France advocated for it for a long time.
They’re back, baby.
Just fyi, that would be c. 145 billion Euros (155 billion Dollars).
Bring back the german war machine. Sounds great.
Should have been done a long time ago, Europe defends Europe and then the yanks can handle their wars against *insert asian or middle east country name here* themselves from now on.
Let’s hope it actually goes toward procurement rather than just a salary increase, or some admin stuff.
Put aside the Schuldenbremse, and let’s go.
Invest heavily in (digital) infrastructure, the military, education and getting red of bureaucracy and we’re golden again. But this won’t happen.
I must say, I am pretty happy with Pistorius & Habeck. If the FDP wouldn’t be such a bunch of killjoys and if we had a different chancellor, we could actually get something done.
They’ve been paying a bit over 1% and shirking their duties for a decade or two now, when the NATO target/standard is 2%, where Britain and France have sat reliably for ages. It’s about time Germany finally stops funding spending at home off of their neighbours backs.
I’ll get downvoted a lot for this because Germany is a bit country and a big part of the sub, and the Brits in general aren’t popular, but a fact is still a fact. Germany spent half the NATO target while France and Britain met the target, saving hundreds of billions of Euros and weakening European defence in the process.
They are so far behind on equipment and ammunition, that they will need decades to get to the point of a working and well equipped army. And that is the easy part – the hard part is to fill in the ranks.
Our government is talking about 5%. I really hope these aren’t hollow words. Europe needs to rearm and fast.
Hopefully this helps the idea of a common EU army grow.
Well well well, looks like we are again ONCE MORE back for a major war.
The west will have to teach those baddies what a functioning economy with money can do when combined with the biggest military alliance of the entire planet
I am German and no, Germany will never spend more for defense except maximum 2% of its GDP.
You have to understand that Germany is currently in a coalition with three parties, the social democrats, the liberals and the green party. The defense minister which is quoted in the article is a social democrat and occasionally demands things that even his own party dismiss after he utters. You have to understand that the federal budget is tight and there is a absolute debt brake enshrined into the constitution meaning the government cannot do a budget deficit for necessary spendings. Germany’s infrastructure and other systems have been scrimped on and need money but the liberals and the conservatives who are needed to change the constitution to allow debts vehemently refuse till to date. They say we cannot make debts as our children generation have to pay for it but they dont understand that state finances work different and an investment into infrastructure is good debt which will pay for itself. Also Germany pays one third of its budget for social expenses like pensions. As Germanys society becomes older the state has to pay more from its budget to pensions etc. That means there is not much room in the budget to spend extra on. For this years budget the state had to cut already billions of dollars from various expenses and this years budget isnt approved yet but it is estimated that the state has to cut another 20 billion euros from various expenses. This shows us that the German federal budget has no room for additional expenses. Germany spent only 1,6% of its GDP on defenses and after the Ukraine war all parties including the conservatives agreed to take on 100 billion € of debt for spending for the defense budget because the constitution does only allow debt when 2/3 of parliament approves (constitution change is needed to take on such an amount of debt). This extra defense debt only allows Germany to reach the target to spend 2% of its GDP on defense but this is exhausted in 2028 or earlier.
TL;DR: The conservatives in Germany and the Liberals reject to take on more debt for spending on defense or other infrastructure investments. From the current budget it cant be taken since the budget is tight because taking on debt and deficit spending is forbidden for the government.
Its sound pretty crazy now, but people forget that the West German army was quite large at the end of the cold war, and undoubtedly much more capable that the current day Bundeswehr. This is much more about restoring all the damage and decay caused by decades of austerity and excessive bureaucracy than creating a “new” army.
Just please PLEASE don’t spend all that taxpayers money on f35’s or other American weapons. Develop them within Europe
Now that music box on the tank is really cranking.
Spend heavily on Luftwaffe and the navy, especially when russia showing no strength in the air and sea, then great news. Trying to increase ground troops and their salaries and buying those ridiculously expensive tanks and armored vehicles, i’m not so sure.
Unleash the Germans!!
Crazy that we’ve reached the point in history that we’re celebrating German rearmament.
It would be such a banger if German military resurgence turns into a awakened giant good ending story.
Russia has fucked with the people that brought the world DIN norms.
Finally a self-sufficient EU military. Next step: military standardization