Where will those funds instead be directed to? Pro-democracy NGOs?
Recall what happened when the UK threw money at Northern Ireland for 50 years without demanding reforms.
Some good news at last!
*Hungary preparing*
Is there much that EU members do agree on?
Future energy production – No
Rights of groups of people – No
Type of electoral system – No
Monetary policy – No
Border protection – No
Foreign policy – No
PLN printer goes BRRRRR.
As many Poles, I totally oppose current govt and its actions both internal and foreign. What worries me the most is that the govt will use fund withdrawal to stir up the anti EU sentiments across the people, having all means to do it.
If they’d manage to spin it as the “EU imperialism” for around additional 15-20% of voters, we are at risk of Polexit. Despite govt being “oficially” anti-russian, the russians will make their input to disinformation.
Even though a recent poll (10.2020 by partly govt-funded CBOS) shows 90% of support for Poland in the EU but at the same time 49% against withholding the funds (I think it’s a bit less, but it’s substantial anyway). What’s more, the support for the govt party (pis, “law and justice” – my ass…) + anti eu Confederation gets above 40% total. To sum up it’s unclear how many are for the Union itself and how many is just for the money.
Therefore I’d advocate for withholding the funds until the rulings are fulfilled, not for taking them away. Otherwise it would make a govt change much more difficult in 2023 elections.
E: spelling
‘anti-democratic’ is a pretty huge charge to just throw up in a headline
Does that include countries like Spain and France? Their systems doesn’t seem very democratic.
Those funds were meant to be as a compensation for western economic plunder. Not something you can take away if you think recipient isn’t behaving properly.
Finally.
Finally, it cannot work otherwise
“EU prepares to blackmail governments they don’t like into stepping down or changing their tune to a more EU-friendly one”
And they plan to do it just before our elections. Probably not to sway the results in any way, it would be too *undemocratic* you see.
Sounds good. If there are no consequences then other countries could start doing games like Poland/Hungary for a few extra voters.
No money for Spain?
If Democracy is one of the core values of the EU, it shouldn’t have any anti-democratic members in the first place. But it’s a step in the right direction I guess.
imagine using anti democratics policy while complaining about anti democratics country…
Hope that some of these cut funds go to the european prosecution office. If it has enough capacity, it could return billions of euros and it is time that corrupt politicians face consequences.
*Good*
“Anti-Democratic” members prepare to veto all EU legislation they possibly can from now on.
All these snobs keep laughing about how the East European countries are dependent on the West, but they forget that because of Germany these countries were locked into communism.
Germany declares war on Poland and later the USSR, ww2 destroys East Europe, The allies and west Europe allow the USSR to take control of East Europe for 45 years..
So keep laughing, but don’t forget what lead to East Europe being dependent on the West.
Can any Europeans explain how these countries are “anti democratic”? What is the metric??
>Monetary policy is a serious issue. We should discuss this in secret, in the Eurogroup […] I’m ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious […] I am for secret, dark debates
Jean Claude Juncker, 2011. 3 years later he was appointed as President of the EU commission.
I welcome the EU’s newfound institutional commitment to democracy, hopefully it will remember to support it even when democracy doesn’t happen to do what EU officials want.
And who gets to decide who are the “anti democratic” members. Something is telling me country with the biggest history of anti democracy in world history will be the judge of that.
Can we start by the Netherlands and Ireland please? I’m not sure that actively promoting tax evasion is something democratically requested by the EU citizens.
How are they anti democratic if that’s what the people voted for?
This whole thread has cancer is full of racist and is probably spammed by Russian propaganda trolls.
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Soo, the whole EU?
Where will those funds instead be directed to? Pro-democracy NGOs?
Recall what happened when the UK threw money at Northern Ireland for 50 years without demanding reforms.
Some good news at last!
*Hungary preparing*
Is there much that EU members do agree on?
Future energy production – No
Rights of groups of people – No
Type of electoral system – No
Monetary policy – No
Border protection – No
Foreign policy – No
PLN printer goes BRRRRR.
As many Poles, I totally oppose current govt and its actions both internal and foreign. What worries me the most is that the govt will use fund withdrawal to stir up the anti EU sentiments across the people, having all means to do it.
If they’d manage to spin it as the “EU imperialism” for around additional 15-20% of voters, we are at risk of Polexit. Despite govt being “oficially” anti-russian, the russians will make their input to disinformation.
Even though a recent poll (10.2020 by partly govt-funded CBOS) shows 90% of support for Poland in the EU but at the same time 49% against withholding the funds (I think it’s a bit less, but it’s substantial anyway). What’s more, the support for the govt party (pis, “law and justice” – my ass…) + anti eu Confederation gets above 40% total. To sum up it’s unclear how many are for the Union itself and how many is just for the money.
Therefore I’d advocate for withholding the funds until the rulings are fulfilled, not for taking them away. Otherwise it would make a govt change much more difficult in 2023 elections.
E: spelling
‘anti-democratic’ is a pretty huge charge to just throw up in a headline
Does that include countries like Spain and France? Their systems doesn’t seem very democratic.
Those funds were meant to be as a compensation for western economic plunder. Not something you can take away if you think recipient isn’t behaving properly.
Finally.
Finally, it cannot work otherwise
“EU prepares to blackmail governments they don’t like into stepping down or changing their tune to a more EU-friendly one”
And they plan to do it just before our elections. Probably not to sway the results in any way, it would be too *undemocratic* you see.
Sounds good. If there are no consequences then other countries could start doing games like Poland/Hungary for a few extra voters.
No money for Spain?
If Democracy is one of the core values of the EU, it shouldn’t have any anti-democratic members in the first place. But it’s a step in the right direction I guess.
imagine using anti democratics policy while complaining about anti democratics country…
Hope that some of these cut funds go to the european prosecution office. If it has enough capacity, it could return billions of euros and it is time that corrupt politicians face consequences.
*Good*
“Anti-Democratic” members prepare to veto all EU legislation they possibly can from now on.
All these snobs keep laughing about how the East European countries are dependent on the West, but they forget that because of Germany these countries were locked into communism.
Germany declares war on Poland and later the USSR, ww2 destroys East Europe, The allies and west Europe allow the USSR to take control of East Europe for 45 years..
So keep laughing, but don’t forget what lead to East Europe being dependent on the West.
Can any Europeans explain how these countries are “anti democratic”? What is the metric??
>Monetary policy is a serious issue. We should discuss this in secret, in the Eurogroup […] I’m ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious […] I am for secret, dark debates
Jean Claude Juncker, 2011. 3 years later he was appointed as President of the EU commission.
I welcome the EU’s newfound institutional commitment to democracy, hopefully it will remember to support it even when democracy doesn’t happen to do what EU officials want.
And who gets to decide who are the “anti democratic” members. Something is telling me country with the biggest history of anti democracy in world history will be the judge of that.
Can we start by the Netherlands and Ireland please? I’m not sure that actively promoting tax evasion is something democratically requested by the EU citizens.
How are they anti democratic if that’s what the people voted for?
This whole thread has cancer is full of racist and is probably spammed by Russian propaganda trolls.
Nice we are just one step away from federalizing.