Like all good scams you have to know how to work the system you’re trying to trick.
Sounds like word has gotten out about how to work our one.
They have a home..It’s just in another country..
I can believe it, there’s a ridiculous amount of tents on mount street these days
Anyone doing this should just not be let in.
City centre looks fucked. Semi permanent tent camp set up all over and rubbish to beat the band. These people need help and deserve better. So does our city. Its a shitty look coming into the tourist season. I was in town Saturday with the missus and never saw so many addicts. And I’m including the 80s.
It’s very sparse on details. How are they getting into the country? Are they coming on visas?
Do we just let people from all over who can’t support themselves from the outset stay indefinitely? It doesn’t sound like they’re claiming asylum. Why are we responsible?
It sounds like they want to expand HAP to cover these people but why are they in the state in the first place?
When I lived abroad, I always needed to demonstrate that I could support myself. If I couldn’t support myself, I would have had to go home because random countries I’ve never contributed to and have no connection to obviously don’t owe me anything
In the meantime, the government will continue to argue with each other and delay anything that need to be done, until it’s the right moment
Clearly they’re informed about the processes in place before arriving here, so they’ve either been told by other people or went to the effort of sussing it out themselves – would people urgently fleeing desperate home situations have the time for that? It’s almost as if a lot of people travelling through all those other safe European countries have some reason to feel compelled to come to a cold, damp island off the Atlantic.
“Migrants”
I’m not Irish and I don’t live in Ireland, but I know about someone who lives in Ireland and is waiting on their refugee status. Friend of a friend type situation, where I know and trust the friend to be truthful.
According to the friend of a friend, it’s so amazingly simple. They’d been in Ireland for over 1 year now. They live at some hotel. They work – because by now, they can work, but originally this person’s parents sent them money; 100 euros every 3-4 days. They claim they came via a boat to the UK, wanting to claim asylum there first, but was then told by their countrymen that Ireland would be better, so they took a flight between London and Ireland and they claim that nobody checked anything – their documents, passports etc. I’m not sure if they threw away their passport or not.
This person has a family and kids back home. The kids, when said friend went originally, were telling other neighbours and people that “soon they will all live in Ireland”.
There’s a whole host of information out there for people like said friend of a friend how to get to Europe (France is also a popular place for fake asylum seekers) and get asylum and stay. Even if you don’t get approved initially, the lack of deportations means that many end up staying anyway or spend years working and sending money home before they’re deported.
And people back in their home countries are proud too! Proud for their ingenuity and bravery for doing this; more people asking for tips how to come as well.
It’s madness and even though I’m not Irish myself, it’s honestly really angering that my friend’s friend feels it’s totally valid and even justified for them to cheat the system. Because according to them, if they didn’t want people to cheat and abuse the system, they should make it much more stricter and difficult – since they haven’t, they must accept that people will abuse it.
Everyone of them are being sent home. Enough is enough of the free ride. This is what happens when you have an open door policy, people just rip the piss out of it. Laughing at us. We opened our homes, our country and our society. Tired of listening to it now. Time for action. To the sword and to the tide with the lot of them.
If the system works for them, why wouldn’t they play the system.
The only people this system doesn’t work for are the people who are here already, but since we take anything in excessive numbers they will come until we stop doing this.
Which doesn’t look to be happening anytime soon. So more will come.
The paralysis our Goverment seems to be experiencing on this issue is infuriating.
It doesn’t make any sense. We are going to experience some serious issues in this country down the line if we can’t get these people proper QoL.
>The department said a recent review found 43 per cent of 5,600 households in emergency accommodation in Dublin on one night in November did not have an active application for social housing, which would entitle them to Hap supports to rent in the private market.
But it said earlier in the article new arrivals weren’t entitled to social welfare support so is it a shock that people don’t have an application in?
This felt like there is going to be a push to expand HAP even though its a terrible scheme that is insanely expensive and doesn’t ease pressure in the housing market.
It feels like the government will do anything to solve the housing crisis except build social and affordable housing.
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Like all good scams you have to know how to work the system you’re trying to trick.
Sounds like word has gotten out about how to work our one.
They have a home..It’s just in another country..
I can believe it, there’s a ridiculous amount of tents on mount street these days
Anyone doing this should just not be let in.
City centre looks fucked. Semi permanent tent camp set up all over and rubbish to beat the band. These people need help and deserve better. So does our city. Its a shitty look coming into the tourist season. I was in town Saturday with the missus and never saw so many addicts. And I’m including the 80s.
It’s very sparse on details. How are they getting into the country? Are they coming on visas?
Do we just let people from all over who can’t support themselves from the outset stay indefinitely? It doesn’t sound like they’re claiming asylum. Why are we responsible?
It sounds like they want to expand HAP to cover these people but why are they in the state in the first place?
When I lived abroad, I always needed to demonstrate that I could support myself. If I couldn’t support myself, I would have had to go home because random countries I’ve never contributed to and have no connection to obviously don’t owe me anything
In the meantime, the government will continue to argue with each other and delay anything that need to be done, until it’s the right moment
Clearly they’re informed about the processes in place before arriving here, so they’ve either been told by other people or went to the effort of sussing it out themselves – would people urgently fleeing desperate home situations have the time for that? It’s almost as if a lot of people travelling through all those other safe European countries have some reason to feel compelled to come to a cold, damp island off the Atlantic.
“Migrants”
I’m not Irish and I don’t live in Ireland, but I know about someone who lives in Ireland and is waiting on their refugee status. Friend of a friend type situation, where I know and trust the friend to be truthful.
According to the friend of a friend, it’s so amazingly simple. They’d been in Ireland for over 1 year now. They live at some hotel. They work – because by now, they can work, but originally this person’s parents sent them money; 100 euros every 3-4 days. They claim they came via a boat to the UK, wanting to claim asylum there first, but was then told by their countrymen that Ireland would be better, so they took a flight between London and Ireland and they claim that nobody checked anything – their documents, passports etc. I’m not sure if they threw away their passport or not.
This person has a family and kids back home. The kids, when said friend went originally, were telling other neighbours and people that “soon they will all live in Ireland”.
There’s a whole host of information out there for people like said friend of a friend how to get to Europe (France is also a popular place for fake asylum seekers) and get asylum and stay. Even if you don’t get approved initially, the lack of deportations means that many end up staying anyway or spend years working and sending money home before they’re deported.
And people back in their home countries are proud too! Proud for their ingenuity and bravery for doing this; more people asking for tips how to come as well.
It’s madness and even though I’m not Irish myself, it’s honestly really angering that my friend’s friend feels it’s totally valid and even justified for them to cheat the system. Because according to them, if they didn’t want people to cheat and abuse the system, they should make it much more stricter and difficult – since they haven’t, they must accept that people will abuse it.
Everyone of them are being sent home. Enough is enough of the free ride. This is what happens when you have an open door policy, people just rip the piss out of it. Laughing at us. We opened our homes, our country and our society. Tired of listening to it now. Time for action. To the sword and to the tide with the lot of them.
If the system works for them, why wouldn’t they play the system.
The only people this system doesn’t work for are the people who are here already, but since we take anything in excessive numbers they will come until we stop doing this.
Which doesn’t look to be happening anytime soon. So more will come.
The paralysis our Goverment seems to be experiencing on this issue is infuriating.
It doesn’t make any sense. We are going to experience some serious issues in this country down the line if we can’t get these people proper QoL.
>The department said a recent review found 43 per cent of 5,600 households in emergency accommodation in Dublin on one night in November did not have an active application for social housing, which would entitle them to Hap supports to rent in the private market.
But it said earlier in the article new arrivals weren’t entitled to social welfare support so is it a shock that people don’t have an application in?
This felt like there is going to be a push to expand HAP even though its a terrible scheme that is insanely expensive and doesn’t ease pressure in the housing market.
It feels like the government will do anything to solve the housing crisis except build social and affordable housing.
They are homeless yeah?