Let’s spend less time talking about the speaker and more time talking about the reason why so many MPs are making this war a number one issue in parliament is because they are fearful that they will be attacked otherwise. we aren’t involved in this war, a vote for a ceasefire will achieve absolutely nothing. If any of these MPs want to spend their life dealing with global issues they should go work for the UN.
Our politics has been completely hijacked and mps aren’t able to operate freely without fear for their lives
Someone of /r/ukpolitics did a good write-up on this.
Whole thing is worth a read, but if nothing else at least read his last paragraph.
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That last para:
> Ultimately – as I pointed out when discussing the Speaker’s power of selection – the House gains a great deal by trusting the Speaker, and that means even if the Speaker makes a decision you don’t agree with, being generally supportive of the Chair (you accept decisions against you, so that the other side accept decisions against them). There are limits, obviously, but we were nowhere near them today. Hoyle was treated disgracefully by the SNP and the Tories. The House should have more faith in its Speaker.
If you take a step back from all of this…
Yesterday Parliament passed a motion calling for a ceasefire. The Labour motion also called for aid to go into Gaza, for settlements to stop and for a two-state solution. It’s pretty solid and comprehensive.
It’s what the SNP wanted. A call for a ceasefire. They’re angry because it was written in a way that Labour found more tenable to vote for (essentially removing a bit about collective punishment and adding more onus on Hamas to abide by the ceasefire too) and therefore didn’t cause a split in the Labour Party.
If their goal was legitimately to call for a ceasefire (not get a ceasefire because nothing Parliament says actually matters in this conflict) and not play politics then they would have taken a crossbench approach to the motion to find a way to build a cross-party consensus and increase the change of getting it passed.
They didn’t. They thought that had played Starmer and Labour and wanted a straight vote on their motion to cause a Labour rebellion. They played stupid games and won stupid prizes. Should Hoyle have selected the Labour amendment? Probably not. I am that sympathetic to the SNP given the circumstances of the vote? No.
But most of all, the ceasefire call passed which no one was expecting because the Government walked out. So for those who legitimately were most concerned about Parliament calling for a ceasefire this is actually a better result than you were expecting yesterday morning.
Worth noting the SNP “hijacked” a Labour opposition day bill back in 2016 so this is not remotely unprecedented
This war has *nothing to do with the UK*, our politicians are powerless to any outcome of the war and it’s two vocal minorities in the country that are fuelling this entire fucking circus.
Does anyone really believe the UK calling for a ceasefire will *achieve anything*?
It won’t, the country is on its knees and we seem to care more about token gestures and grandstanding than our own fucking country, it’s embarrassing as fuck and anyone who cares about MPs calling for a ceasefire is a moron.
I get that this whole controversy is about more than just a statement but it’s a really bad indictment on the current state of our nation that we’re getting so hung up on this. It’s not like it will make a significant difference to the conflict. I have major issues with Labour but one of the things I agreed with is the sentiment of getting the country back to normality and concentrating on the issues that actually face the country. I am not sure I agree that Labour stand for that anymore.
It may well be that he will have to step down for the sake of the House.
It’s a complete disgrace that our MPs feel the need to waste their time and energies on a centuries old religious skirmish in some shithole on the other side of the planet.
The tories play fast and loose with the “rules” all the time (Rwanda cough cough…) but that’s ok. When someone else does it then all hell breaks loose.
My biggest takeaway is what a bunch of children our parliament seems full of. It’s all stupid and out dated with rules and guidance and history that just isn’t how the modern world it a modern govt should work. All the barracking and shouting it’s such pantomime.
“Well the honourable member for twat-on-sea wasn’t holding the golden wobble stick so by definition magnum opus twatus threshold wasn’t reached” – it’s like word based numberwang. Dumb ass traditions. Update yourselves you crazy bastards.
(I may have ranted a bit)
Looks like they’ve binned off the idea of trying to force him out. Probably realised that the SNP and Tory’s holding hands over this wasn’t going to endear the public to either of them.
Crazy to see the Starmerites bending over backwards trying to defend this.
The speaker must remain politically impartial at all times.
Yesterday the speaker broke convention to help labour (his own party).
He has to go.
“I’m sorry that you didn’t like what I did, but rest assured lessons have been learned. I now consider the matter closed. Thank you.”
Go on Lindsay, son.
Oh the horror! Country is falling apart and politicians are crying about bias – Tories and snp no less, pot-kettle.
Sickening scenes as the Conservative Party holds a full on play the victim orgy.,
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Let’s spend less time talking about the speaker and more time talking about the reason why so many MPs are making this war a number one issue in parliament is because they are fearful that they will be attacked otherwise. we aren’t involved in this war, a vote for a ceasefire will achieve absolutely nothing. If any of these MPs want to spend their life dealing with global issues they should go work for the UN.
Our politics has been completely hijacked and mps aren’t able to operate freely without fear for their lives
Someone of /r/ukpolitics did a good write-up on this.
/r/ukpolitics/comments/1awpj9h/erskine_matts_procedural_primer_the_snp/
Whole thing is worth a read, but if nothing else at least read his last paragraph.
——————
Above works on old.reddit.com
Maybe [this link will work with other reddit versions](/r/ukpolitics/comments/1awpj9h/erskine_matts_procedural_primer_the_snp/)
That last para:
> Ultimately – as I pointed out when discussing the Speaker’s power of selection – the House gains a great deal by trusting the Speaker, and that means even if the Speaker makes a decision you don’t agree with, being generally supportive of the Chair (you accept decisions against you, so that the other side accept decisions against them). There are limits, obviously, but we were nowhere near them today. Hoyle was treated disgracefully by the SNP and the Tories. The House should have more faith in its Speaker.
If you take a step back from all of this…
Yesterday Parliament passed a motion calling for a ceasefire. The Labour motion also called for aid to go into Gaza, for settlements to stop and for a two-state solution. It’s pretty solid and comprehensive.
It’s what the SNP wanted. A call for a ceasefire. They’re angry because it was written in a way that Labour found more tenable to vote for (essentially removing a bit about collective punishment and adding more onus on Hamas to abide by the ceasefire too) and therefore didn’t cause a split in the Labour Party.
If their goal was legitimately to call for a ceasefire (not get a ceasefire because nothing Parliament says actually matters in this conflict) and not play politics then they would have taken a crossbench approach to the motion to find a way to build a cross-party consensus and increase the change of getting it passed.
They didn’t. They thought that had played Starmer and Labour and wanted a straight vote on their motion to cause a Labour rebellion. They played stupid games and won stupid prizes. Should Hoyle have selected the Labour amendment? Probably not. I am that sympathetic to the SNP given the circumstances of the vote? No.
But most of all, the ceasefire call passed which no one was expecting because the Government walked out. So for those who legitimately were most concerned about Parliament calling for a ceasefire this is actually a better result than you were expecting yesterday morning.
Worth noting the SNP “hijacked” a Labour opposition day bill back in 2016 so this is not remotely unprecedented
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2016-02-03/debates/16020363000002/PublicFinancesScotland
This is getting beyond a joke now.
This war has *nothing to do with the UK*, our politicians are powerless to any outcome of the war and it’s two vocal minorities in the country that are fuelling this entire fucking circus.
Does anyone really believe the UK calling for a ceasefire will *achieve anything*?
It won’t, the country is on its knees and we seem to care more about token gestures and grandstanding than our own fucking country, it’s embarrassing as fuck and anyone who cares about MPs calling for a ceasefire is a moron.
I get that this whole controversy is about more than just a statement but it’s a really bad indictment on the current state of our nation that we’re getting so hung up on this. It’s not like it will make a significant difference to the conflict. I have major issues with Labour but one of the things I agreed with is the sentiment of getting the country back to normality and concentrating on the issues that actually face the country. I am not sure I agree that Labour stand for that anymore.
It may well be that he will have to step down for the sake of the House.
It’s a complete disgrace that our MPs feel the need to waste their time and energies on a centuries old religious skirmish in some shithole on the other side of the planet.
The tories play fast and loose with the “rules” all the time (Rwanda cough cough…) but that’s ok. When someone else does it then all hell breaks loose.
My biggest takeaway is what a bunch of children our parliament seems full of. It’s all stupid and out dated with rules and guidance and history that just isn’t how the modern world it a modern govt should work. All the barracking and shouting it’s such pantomime.
“Well the honourable member for twat-on-sea wasn’t holding the golden wobble stick so by definition magnum opus twatus threshold wasn’t reached” – it’s like word based numberwang. Dumb ass traditions. Update yourselves you crazy bastards.
(I may have ranted a bit)
Looks like they’ve binned off the idea of trying to force him out. Probably realised that the SNP and Tory’s holding hands over this wasn’t going to endear the public to either of them.
Crazy to see the Starmerites bending over backwards trying to defend this.
The speaker must remain politically impartial at all times.
Yesterday the speaker broke convention to help labour (his own party).
He has to go.
“I’m sorry that you didn’t like what I did, but rest assured lessons have been learned. I now consider the matter closed. Thank you.”
Go on Lindsay, son.
Oh the horror! Country is falling apart and politicians are crying about bias – Tories and snp no less, pot-kettle.
Sickening scenes as the Conservative Party holds a full on play the victim orgy.,