🗣️ ‘There are moments when the curtain is abruptly pulled aside, when the brutal truth about political power in Britain becomes impossible to ignore’
Owen Jones writes how yesterday’s shameful scenes revealed the truth about British politics
by 1DarkStarryNight
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> The Scottish National Party took a different approach. Within days of this horror beginning, its leader Humza Yousaf demanded a ceasefire. That he described Israel’s siege as “collective punishment” on October 10 is an important detail to record – because the nature of this atrocity was clear from the start, and other politicians cannot pretend they did not know. **This was consistent with the SNP’s traditions, not least opposing the calamitous invasion of Iraq.**
full column: https://www.thenational.scot/politics/24136992.labours-behaviour-reveals-brutal-truth-british-politics/
Worth noting that the word “allegedly” is doing a fuck ton of heavy lifting in this quote. Because at this stage, that’s all this is.
A sad day for democracy
Hey, he’s ripped now, so what he says must be true. /s
It’s absolute nonsense. The original motion was akin to an antisemitic dogwhistle, totally ignoring Israel’s side of the story and the fact that Hamas will plot the murder of Israelis during any “immediate ceasefire” because they are a terrorist group and that’s what they’ve always done.
Labour put a clarification on it so that it doesn’t come across as antisemitic or Palestinian-partisan. That’s all. You can call for a ceasefire without denying that Israel has valid concerns about being attacked during any formal peace or ceasefire, because that’s what started this in the first place.
There’s every reason to believe that Hoyle is sincere when he is saying he wanted to avoid an inflammatory bill. Because think about it. It *would* have been highly inflammatory. It forces MPs into a position where they can either back a ceasefire with an easily-construed antisemitic wording, or not back a ceasefire at all.
How can Celtic condemn fans for being political when Callum McGregor is weighing in on parliamentary process?
Amazing to find common ground with Owen Jones, we are definately heading into the end times!
Owen Jones scrabbling around for relevance.
This whole thing is extraordinarily dumb. It’s pissing and moaning about semantics for a motion that is going to have precisely zero impact.
The main source of anger seems to be a failure to cause the Labour party to spend a news cycle feuding over Israel/Palestine.
Preformative politics at its worst.
Tel Aviv Keith following orders.
With the whole world being told by the Americans alone that not only has Israel the right to mass murder tens of thousands of terrified children, families, charity aid workers, reporters, anyone in the way of their bloodbath revenge genocide, the UK has collapsed into a voiceless mess trying to appease Israel and the yanks while destroying its democratic process in order to quell the screams of mercy from the people it is supposed to represent.
In the end, it abstains at the UN gagging the will of the UK people, and has the next PM of this country fixing democracy in his favour to silence and ignore not only the pleas of a nation, just to accommodate leeway for the murderers, but does it to gag the voices of the bulk of his own party.
This country is the pathetic laughing stock of the world because of the Godfather grift of one man’s blinkered line of sight for the big prize at the top of the greasy pole.
As it stands, this parliament is sabotaging the democratic voice of its members, the voice of the British people, standing bowed headed mute on the world stage, and continuing to be complicit in mass child murder and war crimes by supplying the murderers with arms, cash and intelligence to carry it all out.
This is all more than a bad day at the office, this is the collapse of respect this country had left in the eyes of the world after the stupidity of Brexit.
And all because our ” honourable ” representation refuses to say ” STOP MURDERING FUCKING CHILDREN ” on our behalf while protecting our complicity in it.
Financially bust, morally bust. Time to go.
‘Allegedly’, Owen Jones is a credible journalist.
You see, anyone can use the word allegedly to talk about something completely unconfirmed.
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So Starmer the evil mastermind that goes around with the boys to duff up the speaker now is it?! I swear I’ve woken up in some insane parallel universe sometimes, the world has gone bat shit crazy, not that Owen Jones is a reliable source on such things.
Owen Jones is a grade A wanker
Owen Jones thinks way too much of himself since he got in shape – but even so, imagine the Yoons wanting to share their decisional power with people like the Tories, arguing about whether a ceasefire should be called a ceasefire before voting for it.
This sub has become ridiculous…
When suppositions about Sturgeon were made, every man and his dog believed it with no proof.
When Kier Starmer comes up against something similar, suddenly people are very interested in evidence!
It’s all a race to the bottom, no fucker wants to be in charge?
If I do/say this terrible thing, I might avoid being in government and can bleat from the opposition benches…
The stranger danger labour crew are out in force on deflection overload.
Who needs scruples when you have power seems to be the mantra
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We’re even getting EDL type characters joining in with them now too. Perhaps not such strange bedfellows given the party’s trajectory.
England need a new party if this is all they have on offer for a non-tory vote.
“allegedly”
One more reason not to read “The National” is Owen Jones smearing shit all over Scottish politics now.
It was funny when he was a pain in the arse to those in England only.
Owen running with an alleged story, one even the BBC are pointing out is nothing but hear say at the moment, as if it was 100% proven fact?
Also fuck TheNational.
Once again Owen’s rampant anti-se-I-mean-zionism is showing.
Firstly the key word is ‘allegedly’. And of course the Labour position is that they wanted a motion calling for a ceasefire that they could actually vote on. In the end as it happens, they were the only party actually ready to vote for any motion calling for a ceasefire.
I can’t help but laugh at Owen Jones insistence on using a picture of himself at every opportunity. He’s such an attention seeking wanker.
It’s worth noting that this is absolutely not on the scale of Johnson illegally shutting down Parliament and to call it an attack on democracy is excessive.
It’s dirty and dishonest. It’s manipulating the processes of Westminster but those processes themselves are absurd. There are plenty of democracies where the notion of “opposition day” doesn’t exist – in Germany for example any member can introduce a proposed change to the parliamentary agenda, and Scotland’s Parliamentary agenda is set by a cross-party Bureau, not the Government (though the bureau is sensibly obliged to give time to Government business.
The Gaza vote drama is a result of the dysfunctional British system, itself less democratic than many others in the democratic world. It’s a legacy of the “good chap” ethos of Westminster, whereby the assumption is that anyone in Parliament (originally, of course, nobles, aristocrats, and plutocrats) would naturally be too moral and upstanding to rock the boat. It’s constitutional arrogance and it’s open to exploitation but is far more dangerous to our democracy than any one politician.
This is a wild accusation with no concrete proof, yet the SNP have run with it right into the arms of the Tories. And the claims are from Owen Jones – Labour’s own brand of middle class, self-hating ideologues hell-bent on self-sabotage no matter the cost. Another decade of Tory austerity? Fine as long as they can stay the perpetual victim, unwilling to take on the burdens of responsibility to run a country. I respect the need to remain emboldened in parliament and uphold parliamentary ruling, but if the SNP wants to kick up that much of a stink over it just to weaken Labour, it’ll come at the cost of a tighter electoral race and the risk of more Tory rule.
I deeply resent that this whole scandal has made me have to agree on Owen Jones about things but he’s got some good points since it kicks off.
I think less about this quote, but regardless of how many of the ‘allegations’ shake out to be true, the slime Labour was swimming in last night was a whole new level and Owen was the first person I seen point out they it doesn’t inspire confidence that a Labour government will be anymore honest or transparent than this one.
Who ever thought the SNP and Tories would be hand in hand here…….
Maybe is it due to them losing seats to Labour in the upcoming election?
They’re making it more about them than the people in Gaza.
Do people really believe that if you say allegedly, it makes the thing after true?
Allegedly, Owen Jones is an interesting and informative journalist who sticks to the facts.
See? It just doesn’t work.
On 28 August 2019, the Parliament of the United Kingdom was ordered to be prorogued by Queen Elizabeth II on the advice of the Conservative prime minister, Boris Johnson – this advice was later ruled unlawful.
what’s this about endangering MP’s lives ? I didn’t catch that from what I was able to read yesterday.
As it’s Owen Jones I wouldn’t read it.
What a lot of words to say not much.
Two options Owen. Starmer premiership or another five years of Tory chaos. Pick a side.
Vote Libdem
I agree Owen, bring back Boris I say.