I think it would be important to define what “Ukraine winning the war” really means when asking that question.
Shameful how some of these countries consider themselves patriotic and standing up for sovereignty but are willing to become doormats as soon as threatened a little. The less than a percent of GDP with which we subsidise Ukraine is nothing to bear to support the victim of a war, completely reminiscent of WW2 when Nazi Germany attacked Poland, even with all the population growth since then.
Seems like people have this logic “russia doesn’t win -> support is not important anymore -> go make peace deal”
Has anyone noticed the increase in number of posts like that recently? What could be the reason for that, I wonder? /sarcasm
90% of this subreddit think Ukraine will win.
“Winning the war” is far more complex than asking it like that.
Portugal… Good?
Im not used to look good in statistics. It feels Nice.
I feel like Russian military power is. Black box. They could be closer to collapse than we realize. When they threaten to nuke Europe it reeks of desperation
All those people who say that they want Europe to push Ukraine towards the negotiation process should realize that also means Europe and also the US have to provide Ukraine with security guarantees, even if NATO membership is not mentioned. Because unless Russia feels they took irreparable damage, they will happily start another war in 5-10 years, likely more prepared, causing an every greater crisis, than the one currently.
There is lack of question like “Would you prefer to fight russians for your country by itself when Ukraine fall, or increase support of Ukraine now?”
Disappointing numbers… especially greece… they should know what it is like to live beside a hostile neighbour.
The west has given Ukraine barely enough to hang on against the best armed army in the world. And we’ve also strictly told Ukraine they are not allowed to fire into Russian military warehouses or infrastructure while at the same time, Russia pounds every inch of Ukraine.
Then these polls come out “guess Ukraine just can’t win”.
“Peace agreement” with russia = giving up a territory and a new war in 5-10 years, for which the coalition russia+Iran+DPRK will be much more ready. Surprisingly, this is rocket science for Westerners.
Based Sweden 🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪
So many people want to push Ukraine to make peace with Russia, like what??? Obviously people from Sweden care the most because they can get affected by Russia
Yeah well, not gonna lie, this poll makes me sad.
Yes, Greece has a huge portion of the population being Russophile or simply anti-Western/anti-NATO/anti-American, with a major source of this sentiment being the perceived tolerance of the West and USA to Turkey instead of “putting them in their place” regarding the Cyprus occupation and the general disregard of Greek territorial waters and airspace.
No, this doesn’t have any effect on Greece’s foreign policy, because the governing party (and the major opposition parties too) are pro-West. Greeks don’t vote ideologically, but with their pocket, more than any other country in the EU perhaps.
I love Sweden so much for their support during this war.
Ah yes, the second picture depicting that a majority would rather walk the appeasement path again. Because it worked out so great the last times we tried that.
Thank God that most people aren’t part in serious geopolitical strategy or planning. I do fear the way they vote though.
As an Italian, this is quite depressing :/
“We should negotiate with Putin! As soon as he gets the Sudetenland he will stop I am sure!”
Why is there a specific option to pressure Ukraine for a peace deal, but no option to pressure Russia for a peace deal?
Just yesterday Russian ex-president Medvedev, who is still an influential politician in Putin’s party, and a member of Security Council, said that the goal of special military operation is to capture Kyiv.
Any “compromise settlement” will mean Russia winning and Ukraine losing. Since it will mean Russia will get more than it had before the war, while Ukraine will lose territory and people it had before the war. There is zero chance Russia will retreat even to pre-2022 line, let alone pre-2014 by just using negotiations. They will at least demand to keep everything they’ve conquered in 2022-24. Yeah, it won’t be catastrophic loss for Ukraine, but it will still mean Ukraine lost. I don’t get why people don’t understand it.
This is fucked up. The day Ukraine falls is a fucking bad day for Europe.
EU or not.
I don’t think people realise how serious this is. It’s like people in Britain in the late 30’s not particularly giving a fucking about Austria or Czech. “oh well, let that Adolf fella do whatever. Long way from us, nothing to do with us”.
We are going down a dark road again. Yes, again. Europe has already been here.
Interesting how Poland and Hungary, who have both been heavily oppressed by the USSR and have been closely aligned, have such a different stances on their former abuser
We are a continent of pussies. “Encourage a peace deal with Russia”. With animals who rape children and steal toilets.
In a world with some common fucking sense, we’d be pouring so much military hardware into Ukraine, they’d make Russians wish they were never born. After all of Ukraine’s amazing acts of valor in fighting such a thoroughly degenerate enemy, we are about to tell them to throw in the towel. Disgusting. We’re fools and we deserve what’s coming.
Our children will judge us.
Genuinely curious, why is it that the people who are not directly affected by war get more “tired” of it than the people who are?
Wouldn’t the reduction in EU support have a detrimental impact on Ukraine’s position in a peace agreement?
Ok… But to answer this question we need to define what “winning the war” means.
People realising reality
Anyone who says either Russia or Ukraine ‘wins’ the war is delusional. Ukraine won’t be able to take back all of Ukraine, Russia won’t be able to take all of Ukraine.
What the first poll shows is that the people who think Russia will win are more delusional
Dissapointed in Greece and Italy. Not shocked over Austria.
Austria is really a eastern european nation by definition now. So damn infiltrated that it’s insane. And when I say eastern european I don’t mean the good ones, more like Belarus.
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[https://ecfr.eu/publication/wars-and-elections-how-european-leaders-can-maintain-public-support-for-ukraine/](https://ecfr.eu/publication/wars-and-elections-how-european-leaders-can-maintain-public-support-for-ukraine/)
I think it would be important to define what “Ukraine winning the war” really means when asking that question.
Shameful how some of these countries consider themselves patriotic and standing up for sovereignty but are willing to become doormats as soon as threatened a little. The less than a percent of GDP with which we subsidise Ukraine is nothing to bear to support the victim of a war, completely reminiscent of WW2 when Nazi Germany attacked Poland, even with all the population growth since then.
Seems like people have this logic “russia doesn’t win -> support is not important anymore -> go make peace deal”
Has anyone noticed the increase in number of posts like that recently? What could be the reason for that, I wonder? /sarcasm
90% of this subreddit think Ukraine will win.
“Winning the war” is far more complex than asking it like that.
Portugal… Good?
Im not used to look good in statistics. It feels Nice.
I feel like Russian military power is. Black box. They could be closer to collapse than we realize. When they threaten to nuke Europe it reeks of desperation
All those people who say that they want Europe to push Ukraine towards the negotiation process should realize that also means Europe and also the US have to provide Ukraine with security guarantees, even if NATO membership is not mentioned. Because unless Russia feels they took irreparable damage, they will happily start another war in 5-10 years, likely more prepared, causing an every greater crisis, than the one currently.
There is lack of question like “Would you prefer to fight russians for your country by itself when Ukraine fall, or increase support of Ukraine now?”
Disappointing numbers… especially greece… they should know what it is like to live beside a hostile neighbour.
The west has given Ukraine barely enough to hang on against the best armed army in the world. And we’ve also strictly told Ukraine they are not allowed to fire into Russian military warehouses or infrastructure while at the same time, Russia pounds every inch of Ukraine.
Then these polls come out “guess Ukraine just can’t win”.
“Peace agreement” with russia = giving up a territory and a new war in 5-10 years, for which the coalition russia+Iran+DPRK will be much more ready. Surprisingly, this is rocket science for Westerners.
Based Sweden 🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪
So many people want to push Ukraine to make peace with Russia, like what??? Obviously people from Sweden care the most because they can get affected by Russia
Yeah well, not gonna lie, this poll makes me sad.
Yes, Greece has a huge portion of the population being Russophile or simply anti-Western/anti-NATO/anti-American, with a major source of this sentiment being the perceived tolerance of the West and USA to Turkey instead of “putting them in their place” regarding the Cyprus occupation and the general disregard of Greek territorial waters and airspace.
No, this doesn’t have any effect on Greece’s foreign policy, because the governing party (and the major opposition parties too) are pro-West. Greeks don’t vote ideologically, but with their pocket, more than any other country in the EU perhaps.
I love Sweden so much for their support during this war.
Ah yes, the second picture depicting that a majority would rather walk the appeasement path again. Because it worked out so great the last times we tried that.
Thank God that most people aren’t part in serious geopolitical strategy or planning. I do fear the way they vote though.
As an Italian, this is quite depressing :/
“We should negotiate with Putin! As soon as he gets the Sudetenland he will stop I am sure!”
Why is there a specific option to pressure Ukraine for a peace deal, but no option to pressure Russia for a peace deal?
Just yesterday Russian ex-president Medvedev, who is still an influential politician in Putin’s party, and a member of Security Council, said that the goal of special military operation is to capture Kyiv.
Any “compromise settlement” will mean Russia winning and Ukraine losing. Since it will mean Russia will get more than it had before the war, while Ukraine will lose territory and people it had before the war. There is zero chance Russia will retreat even to pre-2022 line, let alone pre-2014 by just using negotiations. They will at least demand to keep everything they’ve conquered in 2022-24. Yeah, it won’t be catastrophic loss for Ukraine, but it will still mean Ukraine lost. I don’t get why people don’t understand it.
This is fucked up. The day Ukraine falls is a fucking bad day for Europe.
EU or not.
I don’t think people realise how serious this is. It’s like people in Britain in the late 30’s not particularly giving a fucking about Austria or Czech. “oh well, let that Adolf fella do whatever. Long way from us, nothing to do with us”.
We are going down a dark road again. Yes, again. Europe has already been here.
Interesting how Poland and Hungary, who have both been heavily oppressed by the USSR and have been closely aligned, have such a different stances on their former abuser
We are a continent of pussies. “Encourage a peace deal with Russia”. With animals who rape children and steal toilets.
In a world with some common fucking sense, we’d be pouring so much military hardware into Ukraine, they’d make Russians wish they were never born. After all of Ukraine’s amazing acts of valor in fighting such a thoroughly degenerate enemy, we are about to tell them to throw in the towel. Disgusting. We’re fools and we deserve what’s coming.
Our children will judge us.
Genuinely curious, why is it that the people who are not directly affected by war get more “tired” of it than the people who are?
Wouldn’t the reduction in EU support have a detrimental impact on Ukraine’s position in a peace agreement?
Ok… But to answer this question we need to define what “winning the war” means.
People realising reality
Anyone who says either Russia or Ukraine ‘wins’ the war is delusional. Ukraine won’t be able to take back all of Ukraine, Russia won’t be able to take all of Ukraine.
What the first poll shows is that the people who think Russia will win are more delusional
Dissapointed in Greece and Italy. Not shocked over Austria.
Austria is really a eastern european nation by definition now. So damn infiltrated that it’s insane. And when I say eastern european I don’t mean the good ones, more like Belarus.