There’s an interview on YouTube of a Soviet translator who was there, Hitler tried to convince Molotov he’s going after UK, and Molotov was asking about nazi troops on the border. War was inevitable by then.
It seems so surreal every time I see this fucker grinning
This and Molotov-Ribbentrop pact just cannot be justified.
Molotov should’ve mixed a cocktail
Expecting russian bots, who will have b*tthurt from this fact.
>Japanese renunciation of rights to northern [Sakhalin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakhalin) oil and coal concessions in exchange for appropriate compensation
putin and Kin Jong Un, 2023, B&W, soviet talkings regarding the invasion of Ukraine.
Nothing changed there.
“Russia saving the world from Nazism” 🙄
The Soviets renewed trade deals that supplied war material to the axis even after they were fighting the Allie’s
The red supported the polish invasion and helped them win that campaign
The reds murdered allied troops in cold blood
After growing up in 90s Russia the thing that hurt me the most about the people, besides the war itself, is that all those evil Russians from movies turned out to be real and there’s even more that just don’t care.
The question of why didn’t Soviets join Axis comes up occasionally. Especially in left-adjacent places, the answer often boils down to incompatible ideology of signatory states. But the fact that Berlin-Moscow talks failed because of inability to divide up spheres of influence between two states, instead of ideological disagreements, should be a hint.
Sometimes, realpolitik transcends ideology. From a Soviet perspective, the biggest enemies of the time were western Imperialist states like UK, France or USA. The Fascist/Nazis were viewed as an ideological competition similarly to Anarchism, Reformist, Social Democrats etc.. in fight against capital. Annoying for sure, but Imperialist were first in line to the wall and then Fascist/Nazis and other. I mean, the fact that USSR was caught with the pants down at the start of Barbarossa should probably hint at Soviet policy towards Germany at the time.
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Also it’s often a mistake to call Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy a far-right states. That “honor” would probably go to states like Imperial Japan. Mussolini created Fascism to bridge the gap Soviets had during revolution. Small-scale farmers (kulaks), religious, artisans and of course, upper class. So basically ‘class collaborationism’ with nationalism functioning as a unifying cause, instead of proletarian revolution like in USSR, or class affiliations like in capitalism. That might be a reason why Mussolini avoided large scale civil war like in Russia (but violence was still used heavily)
—–
So to conclude, nobody really has a moral high ground in relation to interwar politics. The mere fact that Hitler was able to get away with so much before war even started only confirms some degree of complicity between all actors involved.
It’s unfair to judge pre-war relationships by post-war standards.
Tankies on suicide watch.
two goats
Russians hate to admit it to this day.
Is this a real photography? Not that I doubt its genuineness, but it looks so painted somehow
RuZZia never left the evil side.
lavrov wanted to be Molotov so bad!!!
The origins of Putin’s “denazification” of Ukraine?
Didn’t Stalin propose to join and Hitler never responded? If so this pick might be something else
change the sub name to r/ AntiRussianPropaganda already
Was there talks about the USSR joining the Allies before these talks took place?
It’s gonna get strange fast when AI generated images start mixing in with real images. I’ve never seen this one, and even though it’s real, not seeing it before and just accepting it as real is now a luxury of the past.
It was Molotov who rejected the offer, also Stalin never met in person with Hitler.
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Source: [https://uk.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%92%27%D1%8F%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87](https://uk.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%92%27%D1%8F%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87)
German–Soviet Axis talks:
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks)
Meeting for cocktails
But muh Rurik.
History will say they were just straight friends
There’s an interview on YouTube of a Soviet translator who was there, Hitler tried to convince Molotov he’s going after UK, and Molotov was asking about nazi troops on the border. War was inevitable by then.
It seems so surreal every time I see this fucker grinning
This and Molotov-Ribbentrop pact just cannot be justified.
Molotov should’ve mixed a cocktail
Expecting russian bots, who will have b*tthurt from this fact.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks)
>November 12[[edit](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks&action=edit§ion=13)]
>Stalin sent Molotov to Berlin to negotiate the terms for the Soviet Union to join the Axis and potentially enjoy the spoils of the pact.[^([63])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks#cite_note-brackman341-63)
>
Stalin proposed five:
>German troops would depart Finland in exchange for a Soviet guarantee of continued nickel and wood shipments and peace with Finland
>A mutual assistance pact to be signed with Bulgaria in the next few months that would permit Soviet bases
>The centre of Soviet territorial domination would be south of [Baku](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku) and [Batumi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batumi) (ports now in [Azerbaijan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan) and [Georgia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)), south of which are [Iraq](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq) and [Iran](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran))
>Japanese renunciation of rights to northern [Sakhalin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakhalin) oil and coal concessions in exchange for appropriate compensation
>An affirmation that the Soviet-Bulgaria mutual assistance treaty was a political necessity.[^([4])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks#cite_note-nekrich203-4)
P.S. Hitler rejected them for asking too music.
putin and Kin Jong Un, 2023, B&W, soviet talkings regarding the invasion of Ukraine.
Nothing changed there.
“Russia saving the world from Nazism” 🙄
The Soviets renewed trade deals that supplied war material to the axis even after they were fighting the Allie’s
The red supported the polish invasion and helped them win that campaign
The reds murdered allied troops in cold blood
After growing up in 90s Russia the thing that hurt me the most about the people, besides the war itself, is that all those evil Russians from movies turned out to be real and there’s even more that just don’t care.
The question of why didn’t Soviets join Axis comes up occasionally. Especially in left-adjacent places, the answer often boils down to incompatible ideology of signatory states. But the fact that Berlin-Moscow talks failed because of inability to divide up spheres of influence between two states, instead of ideological disagreements, should be a hint.
Sometimes, realpolitik transcends ideology. From a Soviet perspective, the biggest enemies of the time were western Imperialist states like UK, France or USA. The Fascist/Nazis were viewed as an ideological competition similarly to Anarchism, Reformist, Social Democrats etc.. in fight against capital. Annoying for sure, but Imperialist were first in line to the wall and then Fascist/Nazis and other. I mean, the fact that USSR was caught with the pants down at the start of Barbarossa should probably hint at Soviet policy towards Germany at the time.
—–
Also it’s often a mistake to call Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy a far-right states. That “honor” would probably go to states like Imperial Japan. Mussolini created Fascism to bridge the gap Soviets had during revolution. Small-scale farmers (kulaks), religious, artisans and of course, upper class. So basically ‘class collaborationism’ with nationalism functioning as a unifying cause, instead of proletarian revolution like in USSR, or class affiliations like in capitalism. That might be a reason why Mussolini avoided large scale civil war like in Russia (but violence was still used heavily)
—–
So to conclude, nobody really has a moral high ground in relation to interwar politics. The mere fact that Hitler was able to get away with so much before war even started only confirms some degree of complicity between all actors involved.
It’s unfair to judge pre-war relationships by post-war standards.
Tankies on suicide watch.
two goats
Russians hate to admit it to this day.
Is this a real photography? Not that I doubt its genuineness, but it looks so painted somehow
RuZZia never left the evil side.
lavrov wanted to be Molotov so bad!!!
The origins of Putin’s “denazification” of Ukraine?
Didn’t Stalin propose to join and Hitler never responded? If so this pick might be something else
change the sub name to r/ AntiRussianPropaganda already
Was there talks about the USSR joining the Allies before these talks took place?
It’s gonna get strange fast when AI generated images start mixing in with real images. I’ve never seen this one, and even though it’s real, not seeing it before and just accepting it as real is now a luxury of the past.
It was Molotov who rejected the offer, also Stalin never met in person with Hitler.