Quite frankly why would you want to be a firearms officer, you aren’t going to be supported by your bosses, your life will be put on hold and worst case you could even face jail time for doing your job!
Arresting officers for shooting criminals who try to run them over….I wonder why nobody wants to join
If they want people to join give them greater support in their role and ensure that the process to resolve disputes around the discharge of a firearm are quick and fair.
Wonder why? Shoot through a blacked out window when the driver is using the car as a deadly weapon and you’re called racist and lose your job
This might have a worrying impact on the current armed policing model. If there aren’t enough firearms police to protect people, there might be a necessity to arm every cop instead. Though I don’t think many would carry and would rather quit.
Do you want extra work, extra stress, and possibly having to kill people, all for zero extra pay?
We might have to actually pay them something, the same as every other job that has high stress optional extra responsibilities.
Because if you do your job properly, you still risk them throwing you under the bus and fucking you over.
I’d love to be a police officer but I’d never touch a firearms job if they offered me a blank cheque.
When you shoot someone who you believe is threatening your life and your bosses throw you under bus for doing it what the fuck do they expect.
If it is like lots of other jobs in the UK it will read something like this
“Lots of responsibility, lots of overtime, lots of stress, need to be available whenever we say”
Pay on offer – 25k
Well how much more pay is it?
Offer more pay, see the outcome then.
No increase in pay, massive increase in stress and responsibility, and now, if you do your job and there’s enough public outcry, you’ll get thrown under the bus before there’s even a trial.
I can’t possibly see why no one would want the job, compared to just being a normal copper.
I think they should do psychological tests on those six. Why anyone would want to push themselves under a bus is beyond me
Ultimately pay in the police is rank based. So if you work in an officer sorting property stickers you get the same pay as a firearms officer tasked with stopping organised crime and terrorism.
Exactly why should people take the risk?
I’ve always been interested in joining the police, particularly SCO19.
But the agro isn’t worth it.
Respond to a call or perform a routine search of a non-white person, if they have nothing on them, you’re labeled racist. Oftentimes, even when you do find something you’re still labelled as such.
Likewise with a female, you’re abusing your position to victimise a vulnerable person.
Respond to an emergency, whereby you use your firearm (which you would only do as a last resort) and you are subject to an investigation (which is a fair process in principle) but the pressure on you to prove you acted accordingly and appropriately is immense. And if you’re unable to prove that, your career is over and even the possibility of a jail sentence.
A friend of mine works for the MET as a solicitor and the processes they have to go through to prove officers acted appropriately, even when overwhelming evidence is present, is insane.
The problem basically boils down to it being fairly well documented that Met Firearms units are culturally toxic. So the people you want to join won’t.
And now the people you don’t want to join won’t because there has been a tiny hint of accountability.
So the 20+ minute waiting times for armed units to back me up when we need them aren’t going to be getting any better then?
Only people who would want the job are the people who shouldn’t be doing it
lol this has nothing to do with being scared you’ll get in trouble for ‘doing your job’, the pay is pants, just like the majority of jobs in this country.
We punish police for doing their jobs so why would anybody want the job?
Volunteering to be a firearms officer seems to be a high risk career move now. Hung out to dry by senior officers, pilloried in the press and an ever present threat of prosecution.
I surprised it is that high. Why volunteer to do a job that doesn’t pay?
It surprises me tbh, I thought at the very least there’d be a few psychos who want the feeling of power that comes from having a gun
>Met Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley pledged to push for new safeguards including fewer and speedier investigations into alleged police wrongdoing.
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Quite frankly why would you want to be a firearms officer, you aren’t going to be supported by your bosses, your life will be put on hold and worst case you could even face jail time for doing your job!
Arresting officers for shooting criminals who try to run them over….I wonder why nobody wants to join
If they want people to join give them greater support in their role and ensure that the process to resolve disputes around the discharge of a firearm are quick and fair.
Wonder why? Shoot through a blacked out window when the driver is using the car as a deadly weapon and you’re called racist and lose your job
This might have a worrying impact on the current armed policing model. If there aren’t enough firearms police to protect people, there might be a necessity to arm every cop instead. Though I don’t think many would carry and would rather quit.
Do you want extra work, extra stress, and possibly having to kill people, all for zero extra pay?
We might have to actually pay them something, the same as every other job that has high stress optional extra responsibilities.
Because if you do your job properly, you still risk them throwing you under the bus and fucking you over.
I’d love to be a police officer but I’d never touch a firearms job if they offered me a blank cheque.
When you shoot someone who you believe is threatening your life and your bosses throw you under bus for doing it what the fuck do they expect.
If it is like lots of other jobs in the UK it will read something like this
“Lots of responsibility, lots of overtime, lots of stress, need to be available whenever we say”
Pay on offer – 25k
Well how much more pay is it?
Offer more pay, see the outcome then.
No increase in pay, massive increase in stress and responsibility, and now, if you do your job and there’s enough public outcry, you’ll get thrown under the bus before there’s even a trial.
I can’t possibly see why no one would want the job, compared to just being a normal copper.
I think they should do psychological tests on those six. Why anyone would want to push themselves under a bus is beyond me
Ultimately pay in the police is rank based. So if you work in an officer sorting property stickers you get the same pay as a firearms officer tasked with stopping organised crime and terrorism.
Exactly why should people take the risk?
I’ve always been interested in joining the police, particularly SCO19.
But the agro isn’t worth it.
Respond to a call or perform a routine search of a non-white person, if they have nothing on them, you’re labeled racist. Oftentimes, even when you do find something you’re still labelled as such.
Likewise with a female, you’re abusing your position to victimise a vulnerable person.
Respond to an emergency, whereby you use your firearm (which you would only do as a last resort) and you are subject to an investigation (which is a fair process in principle) but the pressure on you to prove you acted accordingly and appropriately is immense. And if you’re unable to prove that, your career is over and even the possibility of a jail sentence.
A friend of mine works for the MET as a solicitor and the processes they have to go through to prove officers acted appropriately, even when overwhelming evidence is present, is insane.
The problem basically boils down to it being fairly well documented that Met Firearms units are culturally toxic. So the people you want to join won’t.
And now the people you don’t want to join won’t because there has been a tiny hint of accountability.
So the 20+ minute waiting times for armed units to back me up when we need them aren’t going to be getting any better then?
Only people who would want the job are the people who shouldn’t be doing it
lol this has nothing to do with being scared you’ll get in trouble for ‘doing your job’, the pay is pants, just like the majority of jobs in this country.
We punish police for doing their jobs so why would anybody want the job?
Volunteering to be a firearms officer seems to be a high risk career move now. Hung out to dry by senior officers, pilloried in the press and an ever present threat of prosecution.
I surprised it is that high. Why volunteer to do a job that doesn’t pay?
It surprises me tbh, I thought at the very least there’d be a few psychos who want the feeling of power that comes from having a gun
>Met Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley pledged to push for new safeguards including fewer and speedier investigations into alleged police wrongdoing.
Safeguards for me and not for thee.