“EU leaders will have to be tough on Poland and demand that it safeguards the independence of its judiciary before money from the European recovery fund is made available to it, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said on Thursday.
“We have to be tough, but the question is how do we get there”, Rutte said on his arrival to a summit of EU leaders in Brussels.
“The independence of the Polish judiciary is the key issue we have to discuss. It is very difficult to see how a big new fund of money could be made available to Poland when this is not settled.”
He runs a mafia state, he’s a dumbass.
Dumbfuck can’t even ride his stupid fucking bicycle because organized crime is so bad there lol.
Rutte is like a bad joke, seen from outside. Resigns because of a scandal but is in charge of a caretaker government and then ‘wins’ the elections. This is GoT season 8 level plot.
Sometimes Rutte/Dutch politicians are a bit too tough (and frugal) on the EU and its members. But I’m happy we’re being tough now.
We can’t spend billions of euros on a country that behaves like this. The Polish government needs to get its head out of its ass and the Polish people need to vote in a different party next election.
I am Polish. I highly despise my government and I would describe myself as an EU enthusiast. This is the first situation when I begin to despise EU institutions too. We have some problems with rule of law (Supreme Court reform bends the Constitution in one point, at this moment), but it’s a million miles away of losing the independence of the justice system. And by the rule of law, our Constitutional Court (yes politically corrupted, but yet legit) decides if the reform is against Constitution. Not EU institutions.
We are in a clusterfuck situation in Poland, thanks to the ruling party, where we have legit opposite rulings. And this can be only resolved (as most of the constitutionalists in PL say) with political means, heavily backed by voters – a compromise I presume.
This – blocking money for stopping EU member’s political reforms (which are backed by legitimate democratic mandate) – is a dangerous precedent.
Because this is not about punishing the government, because it’s misusing the funds – which I am ok with. It’s punishing citizens, not only the ones who voted for the ruling party.
It’s not trying to impose rule of law only, It also imposes to our citizens to change our political views on the justice system, with financial blackmail. Poland also backs the debt that generates those funds, were are like the top6 economy in the EU, it’s not like this is candy money from a rich uncle from Brussels.
Bypassing grounds of the democracy, financially punishing some citizens because of the democratic choices, is not the way to go in making EU stronger. This is like trying to win the war with a state, by bombing citizens of that state.
This is also a conflict created by two polish major parties. The ruling one, that’s about all that strong man against the world propaganda, because they are incompetent to make a single proper reform. And the opposition that ignited that conflict in the EU, fueling propaganda to the west that we are losing our democracy, and polexit one inside. Both biggest parties use this conflict for mobilizing their voters, but it got out of control now. And I blame EU leaders for not seeing what part of that conflict is propaganda, that should be ignored by the meritocracy of the EU, what is an actual problem “on the paper” – and that one I argue has very little to do with losing democracy. And now we got nuclear cold war, and even people in Poland tend to forget/don’t understand, what is this conflict really all about. But they will remember that the EU blocked OUR money – for sure.
Ok Rutte, thanks for your incredibly useless input. Now go back to your fiscal paradise.
So invade Poland, again?
I’m all for this but also fuck Rutte, he’s just trying to make a name for himself
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“EU leaders will have to be tough on Poland and demand that it safeguards the independence of its judiciary before money from the European recovery fund is made available to it, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said on Thursday.
“We have to be tough, but the question is how do we get there”, Rutte said on his arrival to a summit of EU leaders in Brussels.
“The independence of the Polish judiciary is the key issue we have to discuss. It is very difficult to see how a big new fund of money could be made available to Poland when this is not settled.”
He runs a mafia state, he’s a dumbass.
Dumbfuck can’t even ride his stupid fucking bicycle because organized crime is so bad there lol.
Rutte is like a bad joke, seen from outside. Resigns because of a scandal but is in charge of a caretaker government and then ‘wins’ the elections. This is GoT season 8 level plot.
Sometimes Rutte/Dutch politicians are a bit too tough (and frugal) on the EU and its members. But I’m happy we’re being tough now.
We can’t spend billions of euros on a country that behaves like this. The Polish government needs to get its head out of its ass and the Polish people need to vote in a different party next election.
I am Polish. I highly despise my government and I would describe myself as an EU enthusiast. This is the first situation when I begin to despise EU institutions too. We have some problems with rule of law (Supreme Court reform bends the Constitution in one point, at this moment), but it’s a million miles away of losing the independence of the justice system. And by the rule of law, our Constitutional Court (yes politically corrupted, but yet legit) decides if the reform is against Constitution. Not EU institutions.
We are in a clusterfuck situation in Poland, thanks to the ruling party, where we have legit opposite rulings. And this can be only resolved (as most of the constitutionalists in PL say) with political means, heavily backed by voters – a compromise I presume.
This – blocking money for stopping EU member’s political reforms (which are backed by legitimate democratic mandate) – is a dangerous precedent.
Because this is not about punishing the government, because it’s misusing the funds – which I am ok with. It’s punishing citizens, not only the ones who voted for the ruling party.
It’s not trying to impose rule of law only, It also imposes to our citizens to change our political views on the justice system, with financial blackmail. Poland also backs the debt that generates those funds, were are like the top6 economy in the EU, it’s not like this is candy money from a rich uncle from Brussels.
Bypassing grounds of the democracy, financially punishing some citizens because of the democratic choices, is not the way to go in making EU stronger. This is like trying to win the war with a state, by bombing citizens of that state.
This is also a conflict created by two polish major parties. The ruling one, that’s about all that strong man against the world propaganda, because they are incompetent to make a single proper reform. And the opposition that ignited that conflict in the EU, fueling propaganda to the west that we are losing our democracy, and polexit one inside. Both biggest parties use this conflict for mobilizing their voters, but it got out of control now. And I blame EU leaders for not seeing what part of that conflict is propaganda, that should be ignored by the meritocracy of the EU, what is an actual problem “on the paper” – and that one I argue has very little to do with losing democracy. And now we got nuclear cold war, and even people in Poland tend to forget/don’t understand, what is this conflict really all about. But they will remember that the EU blocked OUR money – for sure.
Ok Rutte, thanks for your incredibly useless input. Now go back to your fiscal paradise.
So invade Poland, again?
I’m all for this but also fuck Rutte, he’s just trying to make a name for himself