>Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) has now clearly rejected the delivery of Taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine , citing the risk of Germany becoming involved in the war. “We must not be linked at any point or place to the goals that this system achieves,” said Scholz on Monday at the dpa editorial conference in chief. Therefore, this is not the next option on the agenda. “This clarity is also necessary. I’m surprised that some people aren’t moved at all, that they don’t even think about whether what we’re doing could, in a sense, lead to participation in the war,” he said around two years after Russia’s attack on Ukraine .
>The Taurus is one of the Air Force’s most modern missiles. The precision weapons can hit targets 500 kilometers away. Moscow lies within this radius from the Russian-Ukrainian border. The Ukrainian government had already asked for the delivery of cruise missiles in May last year so that they could hit Russian logistics far behind the front. The Union is also demanding the delivery of the Taurus rockets. The Chancellor’s coalition partners, the Greens and the FDP, are also largely in favor. However, a Bundestag resolution calling for the delivery of Taurus failed last week.
>Scholz had already decided in October not to send the Taurus rockets to Ukraine for the time being, but never publicly explained the reasons in detail. Behind his skepticism lies the fear that Russian territory could be hit and Germany could be drawn into the war. The French and British are trying to prevent this by programming the Scalp and Storm Shadow cruise missiles they delivered to Ukraine themselves. There is speculation that at least Great Britain has personnel stationed in Ukraine for this purpose. This was never officially confirmed.
>“What the British and French are doing in terms of target control and support for target control cannot be done in Germany,” Scholz now emphasized. “Everyone who has dealt with this system knows that.” He is surprised that this question is asked again and again. “What other countries do, which have different traditions and different constitutional institutions, is something that we cannot do in the same way.”
>A third of citizens are skeptical as to whether Germany is doing too much
>Scholz went on to say that he was “very irritated” by the “missing balance” between what was really needed now and the debate about this one system. “What Ukraine is missing is ammunition in all possible lengths and distances, but not crucially this thing from Germany,” he said when asked about the Taurus. Germany has made great efforts to expand supplies of ammunition. “We, as Europe as a whole and the global community as a whole, are not yet at the scale that is urgently needed.”
>Scholz explained that there was a principle that he had said from the beginning – and that could not be repeated often enough: “We will prevent the war that Russia has started against Ukraine from escalating, into a war between Russia and NATO are coming. It is very clear that there will be no German soldiers on Ukrainian land. And I also stand by the fact that this is the case: that there is no involvement of our country and our country’s military structures in this war.” This is a responsibility that the government and he as Chancellor have to the citizens.
>The “talk” that there is hesitation is part of the problem in Germany, said Scholz. “A lot of people watch TV in the evenings and hope that the Chancellor will keep his nerve,” said Scholz. There are people who are discussing what can be delivered next. But there is no debate about an opposing opinion. “That’s a problem,” said Scholz. A third of citizens are skeptical as to whether Germany is doing too much. In Scholz’s opinion, it would help if this “were the subject of a debate at some point.”
>This would also be needed in order to be able to maintain support if the war lasted a long time. “We have to hold out for a long time. In a democracy and in a country that is committed to freedom, this is only possible if the majority of citizens are convinced that it is right.”
Translated with Google Translate
There should be a subreddit for all the times Scholz rejects Taurus for Ukraine.
Either Germany doesn’t have enough of them to share, or lost the capability to replenish them or they have capabilities they don’t want to become public.
“We need to do more, but not like that”
Hurensohn.
Iran: yeah we will sell you tens of thousands of drones.
NK: yeah we will sell you launchers and ballistic missiles.
Germany: No missiles, i wonder against whom they actually researched and produced those missiles.
This guys has no balls. Just a reminder that half of germany was soviet not so long ago…
Germany has given 10x more military aid than France and 20x more than Spain and Italy. Yet, somehow nobody talks about that and it’s always Taurus, Taurus, Taurus.
Scheiß-Scholz
I understand why the pathetic GOP is the way it is – but I’m gonna need an explainer from Germans re why German is the way it is
At Putin’s pleasure
Reddit is really obsessed with this missile… there are a lot of demands of greater urgency than a handful of long-range missiles… artillery, drones, more air defenses, helicopters, mobility for logistics, increasing size of air force as much as possible, tougher economic pressure on russia etc, etc. And as other users in this thread point out when he talks about escalation (which this inevitably would bring) he’s not necessarily talking about a russian military response, remember there are a lot of russian spies and operatives in Germany, they could incite anti-government sentiment and bolster anti democratic forces.
Who needs tools for war during a war?
FFS, Germany!
This is not excusable, Germany is watching Ukraine being slaughtered, German government could do so much more to help Ukrainian army, but Germany is like, nah, we don’t give a shit. Germany – joke of a nation. You destroyed Europe once and you have learned nothing. Selfish kunts.
The collective west is dooming Ukrainians to Russian slavery. This is becoming tragic…
With the exception of this nonsense about the Taurus, I do think we need to acknowledge that Germany has really stepped up for Ukraine in the past year especially compared to the pitiful effort they made at the start.
So Iran can send 400 ballistic missiles, but the west is still worried about supplying Ukraine being viewed as escalation. Where are our collective balls…
THANK YOU for supporting the aggressor in this war started by a terrorist state. You live up to your mighty predecessor, the failed painter, Dolfy.
Not just Germany… All western supplied weapons are prohibited from targeting Russian soil.
Which is ridiculous, Russia targets hospitals and residential buildings, weras Ukraine isn’t allowed to target military targets within Russia with western supplied systems.
German Govt: we won’t send Taurus missiles, we don’t want to escalate the conflict.
Since then…
DPRK: hey Russia, here’s 1.5 million artillery rounds
Iranian Govt: hey Russia, here’s 400 ballistic missiles, and we don’t care if you use them on civilian targets.
Followed by…
German Govt: we still won’t send Taurus missiles, it will escalate the conflict.
Coward.
There are three reasons hes not sending them from what i can see. Number one, if they send this then the kerch straight bridge is going down. And that is not escalation they feel comfortable with right now. Which is because of the second reason, he wants to have further escalation options in their hand if he needs them. And the final reason is theres a lot of confidential info on the systems that germany doesnt want to share
Those are legit reasons, tho i dont agree that they outweigh the reasons for doing it. But anyways, even if this is not the right decision im getting a bit tired of the constant dragging for not doing this one thing. Germany has massively stepped up, and is contributing a very large amount of aid overall, right now theyre the biggest contributor in terms of total value. The reason things are going bad right now for ukraine is simply that the american congress is incapable of acting for half a year, even though there is a majority in support of this aid
Needlessly prolonging the war and increasing the death toll yet again.
Coward!
Fuck you, you pussy. Just do it. What Can russia do? It’s not like they Will nuke us for some Taurus missiles.
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>Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) has now clearly rejected the delivery of Taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine , citing the risk of Germany becoming involved in the war. “We must not be linked at any point or place to the goals that this system achieves,” said Scholz on Monday at the dpa editorial conference in chief. Therefore, this is not the next option on the agenda. “This clarity is also necessary. I’m surprised that some people aren’t moved at all, that they don’t even think about whether what we’re doing could, in a sense, lead to participation in the war,” he said around two years after Russia’s attack on Ukraine .
>The Taurus is one of the Air Force’s most modern missiles. The precision weapons can hit targets 500 kilometers away. Moscow lies within this radius from the Russian-Ukrainian border. The Ukrainian government had already asked for the delivery of cruise missiles in May last year so that they could hit Russian logistics far behind the front. The Union is also demanding the delivery of the Taurus rockets. The Chancellor’s coalition partners, the Greens and the FDP, are also largely in favor. However, a Bundestag resolution calling for the delivery of Taurus failed last week.
>Scholz had already decided in October not to send the Taurus rockets to Ukraine for the time being, but never publicly explained the reasons in detail. Behind his skepticism lies the fear that Russian territory could be hit and Germany could be drawn into the war. The French and British are trying to prevent this by programming the Scalp and Storm Shadow cruise missiles they delivered to Ukraine themselves. There is speculation that at least Great Britain has personnel stationed in Ukraine for this purpose. This was never officially confirmed.
>“What the British and French are doing in terms of target control and support for target control cannot be done in Germany,” Scholz now emphasized. “Everyone who has dealt with this system knows that.” He is surprised that this question is asked again and again. “What other countries do, which have different traditions and different constitutional institutions, is something that we cannot do in the same way.”
>A third of citizens are skeptical as to whether Germany is doing too much
>Scholz went on to say that he was “very irritated” by the “missing balance” between what was really needed now and the debate about this one system. “What Ukraine is missing is ammunition in all possible lengths and distances, but not crucially this thing from Germany,” he said when asked about the Taurus. Germany has made great efforts to expand supplies of ammunition. “We, as Europe as a whole and the global community as a whole, are not yet at the scale that is urgently needed.”
>Scholz explained that there was a principle that he had said from the beginning – and that could not be repeated often enough: “We will prevent the war that Russia has started against Ukraine from escalating, into a war between Russia and NATO are coming. It is very clear that there will be no German soldiers on Ukrainian land. And I also stand by the fact that this is the case: that there is no involvement of our country and our country’s military structures in this war.” This is a responsibility that the government and he as Chancellor have to the citizens.
>The “talk” that there is hesitation is part of the problem in Germany, said Scholz. “A lot of people watch TV in the evenings and hope that the Chancellor will keep his nerve,” said Scholz. There are people who are discussing what can be delivered next. But there is no debate about an opposing opinion. “That’s a problem,” said Scholz. A third of citizens are skeptical as to whether Germany is doing too much. In Scholz’s opinion, it would help if this “were the subject of a debate at some point.”
>This would also be needed in order to be able to maintain support if the war lasted a long time. “We have to hold out for a long time. In a democracy and in a country that is committed to freedom, this is only possible if the majority of citizens are convinced that it is right.”
Translated with Google Translate
There should be a subreddit for all the times Scholz rejects Taurus for Ukraine.
Either Germany doesn’t have enough of them to share, or lost the capability to replenish them or they have capabilities they don’t want to become public.
“We need to do more, but not like that”
Hurensohn.
Iran: yeah we will sell you tens of thousands of drones.
NK: yeah we will sell you launchers and ballistic missiles.
Germany: No missiles, i wonder against whom they actually researched and produced those missiles.
This guys has no balls. Just a reminder that half of germany was soviet not so long ago…
Germany has given 10x more military aid than France and 20x more than Spain and Italy. Yet, somehow nobody talks about that and it’s always Taurus, Taurus, Taurus.
Scheiß-Scholz
I understand why the pathetic GOP is the way it is – but I’m gonna need an explainer from Germans re why German is the way it is
At Putin’s pleasure
Reddit is really obsessed with this missile… there are a lot of demands of greater urgency than a handful of long-range missiles… artillery, drones, more air defenses, helicopters, mobility for logistics, increasing size of air force as much as possible, tougher economic pressure on russia etc, etc. And as other users in this thread point out when he talks about escalation (which this inevitably would bring) he’s not necessarily talking about a russian military response, remember there are a lot of russian spies and operatives in Germany, they could incite anti-government sentiment and bolster anti democratic forces.
Who needs tools for war during a war?
FFS, Germany!
This is not excusable, Germany is watching Ukraine being slaughtered, German government could do so much more to help Ukrainian army, but Germany is like, nah, we don’t give a shit. Germany – joke of a nation. You destroyed Europe once and you have learned nothing. Selfish kunts.
The collective west is dooming Ukrainians to Russian slavery. This is becoming tragic…
With the exception of this nonsense about the Taurus, I do think we need to acknowledge that Germany has really stepped up for Ukraine in the past year especially compared to the pitiful effort they made at the start.
So Iran can send 400 ballistic missiles, but the west is still worried about supplying Ukraine being viewed as escalation. Where are our collective balls…
THANK YOU for supporting the aggressor in this war started by a terrorist state. You live up to your mighty predecessor, the failed painter, Dolfy.
Not just Germany… All western supplied weapons are prohibited from targeting Russian soil.
Which is ridiculous, Russia targets hospitals and residential buildings, weras Ukraine isn’t allowed to target military targets within Russia with western supplied systems.
German Govt: we won’t send Taurus missiles, we don’t want to escalate the conflict.
Since then…
DPRK: hey Russia, here’s 1.5 million artillery rounds
Iranian Govt: hey Russia, here’s 400 ballistic missiles, and we don’t care if you use them on civilian targets.
Followed by…
German Govt: we still won’t send Taurus missiles, it will escalate the conflict.
Coward.
There are three reasons hes not sending them from what i can see. Number one, if they send this then the kerch straight bridge is going down. And that is not escalation they feel comfortable with right now. Which is because of the second reason, he wants to have further escalation options in their hand if he needs them. And the final reason is theres a lot of confidential info on the systems that germany doesnt want to share
Those are legit reasons, tho i dont agree that they outweigh the reasons for doing it. But anyways, even if this is not the right decision im getting a bit tired of the constant dragging for not doing this one thing. Germany has massively stepped up, and is contributing a very large amount of aid overall, right now theyre the biggest contributor in terms of total value. The reason things are going bad right now for ukraine is simply that the american congress is incapable of acting for half a year, even though there is a majority in support of this aid
Needlessly prolonging the war and increasing the death toll yet again.
Coward!
Fuck you, you pussy. Just do it. What Can russia do? It’s not like they Will nuke us for some Taurus missiles.
Idiots