Why not post the numbers for 2024? The budgets have been made, and a lot of countries will reach the 2 percent target, as agreed.
Shame on Western Europe. Shame, shame, shame on Western Europe.
Except for the UK, Western Europe has become decadent, spoiled and entitled.
Shame on you. It’s embarrassing and there is no justification for this at all. Not at all. None whatsoever. You’re the wealthiest part of Europe, yet you pay the least for defense.
Shame, shame, shame on you. Western Europe should feel disgusted by itself.
Saw this in a different thread earlier today.
At least the Norwegian one is nonsense, a lot of that is budget trickery.
The military has to rent its equipment and buildings from the state through 2 companies set up to handle it, both of which are fully funded on their own budget.
It’s a way to pretend they’re giving money to the military but actually just funnelling it back into the state budget.
The real budget is probably closer to half that.
Unfortunately this has not been called out by our allies, who rightfully should be saying “either stop fucking around and reach the 2% goal for real or you get kicked out”.
Fucking luxenburg is dead last again
Checks for border with Ruzzia: yeah, pretty much accurate!
Gaude mater polonia
Poland, USA and Greece.
The absolute madlads of 3%
For smaller countries I dont get how this is being calculated. Don’t you make plans for your budget at the start of the year and you know your GDP at the end of the year? So if you have a small economy and something artificially inflates your GDP (like a donation from EU) you’re missing the 2% mark. Or am I misunderstanding this? Croatia had 2% in 2021 and 2% in 2022 and by 2024 we were supposed to be at 2.5%. That was the plan at least but our economy grew a lot so I feel like there wasn’t enough time to spend enough to get to 2% mark
Imagine if a deranged orange monster dropped the US contribution down to 2%.
The only thing that really catches my eye is the relatively low spending of Turkiye. I imagined them having a larger regional ambition and also bordering more unstable regions. And I was surprised how nationalistic and pro-army they seemed to be judged from a visit to Istanbul. Why does that number seem odd?
What’s total dollar amount though?
Our current budget sits at 1,95%..
As a Canadian I’m sorry for us being so far down the list. Our current and past governments haven’t prioritized military spending for decades now
Push to 3 % and remove ability to camouflage police spending etc in there.
WE NEED MORE FIREPOWER
Ad Spaniard, sorry. We would like to contribute more but shit are bad here.
This is what happens when your neighbours are Turkey and albania
For all the right leaning Americans in this sub, take a long hard look here. The only countries who are ever going to need NATO protection already spend 2%. I bet none of you even knew that.
This is important, because a lot of people blame Trump for saying what he says, but if a bunch of friends agree on paying something (2%) and get into that something, but then year after year a few of them just lack and decide not to pay the agreed, getting carried by the others, he’s nothing but right.
“Media” (if thats what we can call them), being the leftist extremists and biased they are, will blame Trump for what he says, and try to discredit him for the political left gain, but the ones who need to be blamed and discredited are those jumping on the backs of the friends and getting carried by them, and offending and gaslighting when they get tired of it.. 🤷♂️🤦
Thinking of the persons mental health who told me Poland wouldnt be able to take on Russian tanks.
So this means that if Trump wins, he needs to pay his bill to Poland, since that’s how he thinks NATO works.
How much of US’ 3.5% is spent on NATO and how much on other areas like the Pacific?
This year the Netherlands should spend 1.95% of GDP. Why can’t they get that last 0.5% as well?
I can understand Luxembourg, since they really would not change much anyways, but seeing countries like Spain and Turkey so low is pretty surprising.
Personally I think a gdp target is kinda stupid. A nation’s worth should be measured in capabilities not budgets.
America for instance spends allot of money on pointless projects and over-equipped national guard units.
In the field, American capabilities have been less than efficient
Keep in mind that these numbers aren’t as obvious as it seems. F.e. government in societies that inherit a mainly positive attitude towards the military tend to exaggerate their military spending by creating a definition that adds huge infrastructure projects (railroads, speedways, ports, bridges), spending for foreign military presence (NATO troops, training grounds) or investment in flight control, weather- and climate services, investment in state-owned defense companies an much more while other nations try to hide these expenses.
where sweden?
Trump doesn’t like this
Germans need to wake the fuck up
It doesn’t even surprise me to see Poland being the most based
Here’s hoping my country catches on to the 2% threshold
War is a racket: It is the tranfer of money from the poor to the arms merchants. At 2%, every fifty years a nation works a full year 24/7 just to produce weapons. At 3% every 30 years you throw away a full GDP. In the case of 4%? Every 25 years you throw away every social structure you could have built. You’ll do it 3 times in a lifetime. I’ll repeat it for the people in the back: War is a racket.
Damn, didn’t know Belgium wa that high!
Uh. I always thought Turkey would be expending more on their military.
In 2024 Sweden will spend 2 % of its GDP on the defence. And yes, we are almost NATO now.
You forgot Iceland with their spending of 0%
We’re that strong with only an average of 2%, imagine if it went up to 25% or more 😈
Here is an idea;
If a country doesn’t meet the 2% in 2 consecutive years, you don’t get voting rights.
How come Denmark spends more per capita than Italy and Canada when Italy has most of the Mediterranean for themselfs and Canada well its huge and close proximity with Rusia, China, and North Korea
It kills me that Luxembourg spends the least, considering they are literally the wealthiest European country per capita.
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[Source](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/which-countries-meet-natos-spending-target/)
Why not post the numbers for 2024? The budgets have been made, and a lot of countries will reach the 2 percent target, as agreed.
Shame on Western Europe. Shame, shame, shame on Western Europe.
Except for the UK, Western Europe has become decadent, spoiled and entitled.
Shame on you. It’s embarrassing and there is no justification for this at all. Not at all. None whatsoever. You’re the wealthiest part of Europe, yet you pay the least for defense.
Shame, shame, shame on you. Western Europe should feel disgusted by itself.
Saw this in a different thread earlier today.
At least the Norwegian one is nonsense, a lot of that is budget trickery.
The military has to rent its equipment and buildings from the state through 2 companies set up to handle it, both of which are fully funded on their own budget.
It’s a way to pretend they’re giving money to the military but actually just funnelling it back into the state budget.
The real budget is probably closer to half that.
Unfortunately this has not been called out by our allies, who rightfully should be saying “either stop fucking around and reach the 2% goal for real or you get kicked out”.
Fucking luxenburg is dead last again
Checks for border with Ruzzia: yeah, pretty much accurate!
Gaude mater polonia
Poland, USA and Greece.
The absolute madlads of 3%
For smaller countries I dont get how this is being calculated. Don’t you make plans for your budget at the start of the year and you know your GDP at the end of the year? So if you have a small economy and something artificially inflates your GDP (like a donation from EU) you’re missing the 2% mark. Or am I misunderstanding this? Croatia had 2% in 2021 and 2% in 2022 and by 2024 we were supposed to be at 2.5%. That was the plan at least but our economy grew a lot so I feel like there wasn’t enough time to spend enough to get to 2% mark
Imagine if a deranged orange monster dropped the US contribution down to 2%.
The only thing that really catches my eye is the relatively low spending of Turkiye. I imagined them having a larger regional ambition and also bordering more unstable regions. And I was surprised how nationalistic and pro-army they seemed to be judged from a visit to Istanbul. Why does that number seem odd?
What’s total dollar amount though?
Our current budget sits at 1,95%..
As a Canadian I’m sorry for us being so far down the list. Our current and past governments haven’t prioritized military spending for decades now
Push to 3 % and remove ability to camouflage police spending etc in there.
WE NEED MORE FIREPOWER
Ad Spaniard, sorry. We would like to contribute more but shit are bad here.
This is what happens when your neighbours are Turkey and albania
For all the right leaning Americans in this sub, take a long hard look here. The only countries who are ever going to need NATO protection already spend 2%. I bet none of you even knew that.
This is important, because a lot of people blame Trump for saying what he says, but if a bunch of friends agree on paying something (2%) and get into that something, but then year after year a few of them just lack and decide not to pay the agreed, getting carried by the others, he’s nothing but right.
“Media” (if thats what we can call them), being the leftist extremists and biased they are, will blame Trump for what he says, and try to discredit him for the political left gain, but the ones who need to be blamed and discredited are those jumping on the backs of the friends and getting carried by them, and offending and gaslighting when they get tired of it.. 🤷♂️🤦
Thinking of the persons mental health who told me Poland wouldnt be able to take on Russian tanks.
So this means that if Trump wins, he needs to pay his bill to Poland, since that’s how he thinks NATO works.
How much of US’ 3.5% is spent on NATO and how much on other areas like the Pacific?
This year the Netherlands should spend 1.95% of GDP. Why can’t they get that last 0.5% as well?
I can understand Luxembourg, since they really would not change much anyways, but seeing countries like Spain and Turkey so low is pretty surprising.
Personally I think a gdp target is kinda stupid. A nation’s worth should be measured in capabilities not budgets.
America for instance spends allot of money on pointless projects and over-equipped national guard units.
In the field, American capabilities have been less than efficient
Keep in mind that these numbers aren’t as obvious as it seems. F.e. government in societies that inherit a mainly positive attitude towards the military tend to exaggerate their military spending by creating a definition that adds huge infrastructure projects (railroads, speedways, ports, bridges), spending for foreign military presence (NATO troops, training grounds) or investment in flight control, weather- and climate services, investment in state-owned defense companies an much more while other nations try to hide these expenses.
where sweden?
Trump doesn’t like this
Germans need to wake the fuck up
It doesn’t even surprise me to see Poland being the most based
Here’s hoping my country catches on to the 2% threshold
War is a racket: It is the tranfer of money from the poor to the arms merchants. At 2%, every fifty years a nation works a full year 24/7 just to produce weapons. At 3% every 30 years you throw away a full GDP. In the case of 4%? Every 25 years you throw away every social structure you could have built. You’ll do it 3 times in a lifetime. I’ll repeat it for the people in the back: War is a racket.
Damn, didn’t know Belgium wa that high!
Uh. I always thought Turkey would be expending more on their military.
In 2024 Sweden will spend 2 % of its GDP on the defence. And yes, we are almost NATO now.
You forgot Iceland with their spending of 0%
We’re that strong with only an average of 2%, imagine if it went up to 25% or more 😈
Here is an idea;
If a country doesn’t meet the 2% in 2 consecutive years, you don’t get voting rights.
How come Denmark spends more per capita than Italy and Canada when Italy has most of the Mediterranean for themselfs and Canada well its huge and close proximity with Rusia, China, and North Korea
It kills me that Luxembourg spends the least, considering they are literally the wealthiest European country per capita.
Russia will spend about 30% of their GDP in 2024.