Spanien plant, Inlandsflüge zu verbieten, bei denen man in weniger als zweieinhalb Stunden mit dem Zug weiterfahren kann

by karoelchi

31 comments

  1. All this is going to do is make costs for flights go up for everybody else traveling the farther distance.

    **It punishes people who follow the rules and only take longer flights by inflating their plane tickets and rewards people who don’t care with a train ticket that costs a fraction of the airplane ticket.**

    Backwards legislation.

  2. Me: <<reading band docs>> huh, okay.

    Also Me: <<books 2 legged flight on two different tickets>>

    Sure, it doubles the number of flights but, you know, whatever…

  3. I just took a flight from Barcelona to Mallorca and it was only 55 minutes but it was over water 😩

  5. This measure is going to have the following effects:

    – smaller airports will get more direct connections instead of going via Madrid.

    – since Madrid is in the geographical centre of the country and the train network starts from Madrid, a lot of regional flights will disappear.

    – Iberia is going to be the hardest hit because they operate in a hub-spoke configuration.

    – a lot of high-speed train lines will become much more competitive, since a lot of them do not turn a profit at the moment.

  6. I would be happy for this change if it wasn’t for RENFE being a mess more times than not. Hopefully this change will force a fix in that.

  8. Next, ban train journeys under 90 minutes when you can take a bus, followed by

    Ban bus journeys under 60 minutes where you can take a scooter/bicycle

    & finally, we do have a new uber service for horses/carriages

  9. So using trains in Spain to keep people off the planes.

    While it’s probably a good environmental policy it will definitely extend people’s travel times by a substantial amount. 2.5 hours by train is easily more than double the equivalent flight time.

  11. Spaniard here, I’ll say the same thing I said in the aviation subreddit.

    I will usually take the train from the city I’m living in to my hometown. It can cost anywhere between 60€ and 120€ and in takes 3h30mins. The other day I took the plane back instead, it cost me 40€ and it took 1 hour. I’m all for using more sustainable transport and all but it is unacceptable to expect people to pay more for a worse service. If they want people to take the train, they should put more competitive prices.

    Edit: I’m tired of everybody answering the same thing without reading my other comments so I’ll just put total travel times here.

    Plane:

    30 minute commute from my place to the airport

    1 hour in the airport (Online check-in, hand baggage only, no customs)

    1 hour flight

    50 minute commute to hometown

    Total time by plane 3h20min

    Train:

    40 minute commute from my place to the station

    30 minutes in the station (There are security checks in bigger train stations in Spain)

    3h30min track time

    50 minute commute to hometown

    Total time by train 5h30min.

  14. How many routes will this cover? Madrid/Barcelona on Ave is over 2h30. As is Madrid/sevilla. Are people flying from Madrid to valladolid? 

  15. Why would anyone take a flight instead of a train ride when the travel time is under 2.5 hours? You have significantly more room and Trains are always more comfortable. This seems like common sense.

  17. This is all very well and good until you need to book anything using Renfe’s website. Which is hot garbage and nearly unusable (and I speak reasonably good spanish!)

  19. I wouldn’t mind. Spain has my favorite train system in Europe. I bummed around for a couple of days taking the regional up from Valencia. Was a blast. The trains are old but they keep them in good shape.

    German train service, on the other hand… is shockingly poor.

    Italian train service, especially south of Rome… is terrifying.

  20. A way to cut down on emissions? A plane carries ~200 passengers. A train can carry ~2000. The better way.

  21. So, if I’m flying to Valencia and connecting in Madrid, I have to take a train now?

  22. All that so taylor swift can fly her plane to the bathroom

  23. If trains were actually competitive people would choose them……

  24. I understand the cons but this is a very good news. This is a nonsense seeing the C02 emissions per passenger by plane compared to the train. All countries should consider that. Or maybe apply very high taxes to the unnecessary short flight

    I’m thinking about our children that will live in difficult climatic conditions because of some of us always thinking about their little comfort and not looking further than their nose tip

    Good job Spain 👏🏽

  25. The country’s not that big, so I’m not surprised. 

  26. So is there a lobbyist group wanting less trains and increased delays to increase the commute longer than 2.5 hours?

  27. At least in the US you need to get that the airport at least an hour/hour and a half before your flight boards. While the flight from one place to the other may take way less time, the overall trip is still long.

  28. Just make the book in time for these flights more than two hours.

  31. This is not made for any other reason than connections and corruption with the thinly veiled premise of climate change, do not be fooled.

    There’s a joke here in Spain were we say that a retired politician used to get a job as a consultant/director/anything in Endesa/Telefonica, internet companies like AT&T basically, but now, those are full! And guess where they’re going now, that’s it, RENFE.

    Spain train system is a fucking mess, RENFE is most probably the worst train service you can ever use in Europe and guess what, it’s the only one avalaible in regional places / non capital ones. I grab it lots of weekends because of work and I can tell you the times we actually arrived on time, it ALWAYS has a 20 minute delay, AT MINIMUM.

    We DO NOT have high speed to most of our cities outside of Madrid and Barcelona, it takes 2.10h to go from Valencia to Alicante (without the mandatory delays I commented before), which is 179KM only.

    They only thing they’re trying is to boost their train profits because RENFE is a national company and for the longest time hasn’t been profitable ( Gee I wonder why, maybe because anyone that uses their service ends up angry as fuck? ).

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