Concerning: Ukrainian milblogger Yury Butusov after a trip to the frontline: “No new defence lines have been built to the west of Avdiivka”. Meanwhile, Russian forces are storming villages that served as supplies bases for Ukrainian defenders during the battle for Avdiivka.

by Baysdarby

13 comments
  1. Told you so. This is not a tactical withdrawal. This is a retreat.

  2. Concerning should not be allowed to ever be used to report something, thank daddy Elon for that.

  3. The next few days are going to be telling for both sides:

    For the Russians, nobody really expected they’d mount new major offensives in the dead of winter, and that sector was assumed to be depleted from their massive losses in taking Avdiivka.

    For Ukraine, I absolutely agree they could’ve held out longer had they been better supplied with ammunition, but I will be very disheartened if it turns out there wasn’t a plan B–losing Avdiivka was a realistic possibility for *months,* and if they didn’t have a fallback line then it reflects poorly on Syrskyi (although I’m sure, given that the major offensives started in October, there will be a lot of finger pointing at Zaluzhnyi).

    If Russia is able to, as is expected, maintain their momentum around Avdiivka and launch new offensives towards Kupyansk and Robotyne, then I’m afraid to say they have been massively underestimated.

    This *doesn’t* mean that Ukraine is going to lose–if things change. They’ll only lose if they’re doing all they can, and are *still* getting routed. They’ve got hundreds of thousands that can be mobilized, and the West has massive stockpiles of equipment and ammunition which could be donated. If they exhaust all of those options, *then* the writing would be on the wall.

    Right now, the challenge is to get those in play so that they can reverse this change of fortune–but they don’t have much time, and the West has to stop playing their stupid political games and blocking *what the majority of both parties see as vitally important.*

  4. Wtf is going on with ukraines forces? Why are they still not building big defense lines like russia did near tokmak? This has been an ongoing issue for months now, according to many ukrainian soldiers. They have had plenty of time to create new fortifications all across the front

  5. *no new defense lines have been built* – dont tell me they made the same fucking mistake again

  6. Ukrainian blogger Butusov reported “No new defense lines have been built west of Avdiivka” — isn’t reporting this for the whole world to see — ruzzia — stupid immoral and highly compromising?

  7. Worst case scenario:

    Republicans handed the US another defeat. Putin will now be empowered, and Ukraine will most likely lose key weapon systems to the advancing Russians.

    Trump will win the US elections, withdrawal from NATO and any other defense agreement. It will completely throw the balance of power out of whack. And we’ll probably end up repeating all the mistakes from the past…with zero environmental capital to bounce back for a rebuild.

    And reddit will no longer exist, as the world will move back into the dark ages.

  8. It was probably not a good time to change the commander in chief? Sounds like chaos…

  9. I hope this dude is just exaggerating because even the ruzzians learned that they need to build multiple defence lines after they got steamrolled in Kharkiv in the autumn of 2022.

    When you have less resources than the enemy you just can’t afford to waste them. The 2023 summer offensive with no air support is shaping to be a monumental clusterfuck. They barely made a dent in the ruzzian defences in the south and will most likely lose the little they achieved in the next month. The men and equipment lost in the summer would have helped greatly right now.

  10. Theres a good chance that theres no serious defensive positions along current front edges, judging by the rate of russian advance. Optimal terrain is also further west. As someone said here, avdiivka is all high ground, ukraine is at a huge disadvantage trying to hold on to orlivka tonenke etc.

  11. Pretty sure Ukraine didnt leave supplies in those cities, and also they probably have a better place to shore up than on the flatlands near Addiivka.

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