Russia warns NATO of certain war if West puts troops into Ukraine. Allied leaders rush to distance themselves from French President Emmanuel Macron’s suggestion that allies could put boots on the ground to help Kyiv.
by MaryADraper
Russia warns NATO of certain war if West puts troops into Ukraine. Allied leaders rush to distance themselves from French President Emmanuel Macron’s suggestion that allies could put boots on the ground to help Kyiv.
by MaryADraper
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I thought Russia was already at war with the west. Were they lying or something?
Terrorist war criminal murdering ruzzia has been claiming for months that the war is against The West & NATO — the ruzzian narrative started with killing Nazis and removing illegal Kyiv regime.
I doubt that France will send soldiers- but its strong rhetoric and positioning in recent weeks will come at a cost to its largest security rival in Europe- the US- which is lacking credibility at the moment, especially at a time when they are increasing military cooperation with other countries in the region as well, they clearly seek to capitalise
NATO is an offensive alliance, I believe boots on the ground shouldn’t be ruled out.
I won’t be surprised if UK once again is the first to do it, one day.
More on this subject from other reputable sources:
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– BBC Online (A-): [Macron says Russian defeat in Ukraine vital for security in Europe](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68410219?at_bbc_team=editorial&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_campaign_type=owned&at_format=link&at_link_id=39CB790E-D530-11EE-9B1A-5ED84B3AC5C4&at_link_origin=BBCWorld&at_link_type=web_link&at_medium=social&at_ptr_n)
– Associated Press (A-): [Macron says sending Western troops on the ground in Ukraine is not ‘ruled out’](https://apnews.com/article/paris-conference-support-ukraine-zelenskyy-c458a1df3f9a7626128cdeb84050d469)
– tagesschau.de (A): [Macron does not rule out the use of ground troops in Ukraine](https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/macron-bodentruppen-ukraine-100.html)
– ZDF (A-): [Macron: Sending troops to Ukraine not ruled out](https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/ausland/ukraine-bodentruppen-macron-paris-konferenz-100.html)
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I’m British and I say stuff that Macron is finally right about something it’s time to send in troops to secure the Belarusian border and western Ukraine so that Ukraine gets some breathing room Slava Ukraine glory to the heroes
If it is certain war then it is the fault of Russia who switched one civil war killing a couple of thousand a year for one that is killing hundreds of thousand a year. If Russia can’t understand why that needs to end then they should be ready for the world to stop them. They need to grow up and accept responsibility for their elevation of aggression in the war and not be surprised when it happens back to them.
Humanity needs another global war. Virtues are gone, only materialism prevails.
Haha….sweet revenge for France… I don’t recall the exact context (probably it was still about Ukraine), but weeks before the start of the “special military operation” in Ukraine, I watched a video in which Putin openly threatened Macron by saying “Does France want to go to war against Russia?” and then he smirked in a hideous way (which Putin always does when he wants to look aggressive but he’s actually under pressure).
So now that it’s been two years full of failures for the russian war in Ukraine, it’s Macron’s turn to threaten war against Russia out of the blue, just like Putin did back then against France…and you can tell Putin found this threat of Macron most displeasing by the speed the Kremlin replied back with total war against the West in case western troops are sent in Ukraine, despite the russians are fully and painfully aware they would lose (and quickly) in that scenario… so basically, even if obviously it won’t happen, Macron just gave Putin a taste of his own medicine…or should I say, a taste of his own poison….
West puts boots on the ground. Help push Russia out of Ukraine. It’s still a Russia decision to use nukes. You can’t be bullied or scared when doing nothing wrong
so if NATO steps up and helps Ukraine then he will nuke?
this reminds me of childhood. “If you do that i will hold my breath”.
Threatening to suicide yourself, your family and your whole country basically.
Russia is a fucked up place that needs fixing.
I’m all for it. Even as someone who would probably end up over there it is something that just needs to happen. I think at a minimum NATO should start massing forces in the baltics and Poland to keep pressure on Russia to secure there flanks.
The future is crystal clear by that point, that the next step is: move troops to a border with baltics. Bring nuclear weapons and say “everyone who will try to help will be nuked”.
Scholz and other “non-escalators” have already shown a weakeness that will be exploited over and over again and again.
Scholz, member of NATO, having USA bases on his territory [said he won’t send long range weapons because ru threatened him with a war](https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-germany-taurus-missiles-scholz/32835824.html). That’s a fatal mistake, for ru now it’s abviously that under raising stakes to a nuclear war he (and many others) will 100% yield because he yielded even now without such threats.
They are still afraid of nazi-russian cunts. I can bet what ever that Putler doesn’t do a shit if there were NATO troops in Ukraine because he can’t. I’m not saying that it would be a best solution but all volunteers should be backed up by their governements. It includes insurances to them selves and their families and of course paid weapons.
Now the situation is that in orations it is a matter of democracy and freedom but those who go there as volunteers are considered like person non gratas in their home countries and certainly they don’t get any official support. That is pure bullshit. If the matter is how it is said they should have all benefits like they had if they defended democracy and freedom in their own country. Now the thing is that they hardly get even life insurance money to their families if get killed because they went in war zone as volunteers.
And NATO warns Russia not to use Africans in Ukraine… 🤷 Well done Macron 💪
Western leaders pussies as usual.
Remember the US red lines in Syria?
We make red lines and do nothing when crossed.
We tell bullies what we’re not willing to do, so we give them free rein to do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t directly affect us.
Sounds good, China did it in Korea and Russia did it in Vietnam
I get it, but it’s not a good look.
Makes it look like Russian threats work.
Remaining silent would’ve sent a better signal to the Russians (not knowing if NATO would actually pile in.)
Everyone (even the NATO politicians) knows that if NATO got involved, the war would be over, and there’d be no war with Russia.
It is great to give the Kremlin nightmares, but honestly it makes more sense to send more ammunition and missiles with greater range
How do win a war with France?
Show up.
Haha Putin is shitting himself right now. He knows he’s lost. Otherwise no need for such statements.
It’s a beautiful day my friends. Russia is fucked.
Why no UNO troops?
IMHO…. Inevitable in the long run.
By now I think France can solo Russia on the battlefield
I think that direct involvement of NATO countries would be the best not if they joined with the infantry, but if they helped by employing their air force, especially France and UK. Western armies have not fought a conventional attritional conflict in generations, and one could argue that the AFU itself has much more experience in that matter at the moment. However, what Ukraine does not have is air superiority, which one of the reasons why the 2023 counteroffensive failed and one of the reasons why Avdiivka had to be evacuated. Ukraine will get about 60 F16s later this year and the pilots are slowly training, but this is still too little too late. NATO air forces could come in and give Ukrainians air support for their ground operations. If the Ukrainians succeed to mobilize a bit and ammunition production capacity gets scaled up, such a move could be a gamechanger. Or is my reasoning flawed?
Now is absolutely the time. Russia is as weak as it’s ever been and giving Ukraine support along it’s non active borders would allow them to focus on and obliterate Russian forces in the West and South. I very much hope Biden sends in the Marines after November.
There is no way nato troops go into Ukraine .
That is ww3 and potentially a nuclear escalation red line.
Not that i want to die in Ukraine but:
GOD DAMN THAT WAS BASED MACRON!!!
How about we sell Ukraine some nukes too?
Russia this is not how war works, this is not like any of this works.
If NATO enters Ukraine it is to kick your ass. you don t need to declare war after that
France may not have any choice. Russia has proven over and over they are out for blood at any cost. They seem to have a deep seated hatred of the EU I don’t understand.
Putin can’t even defeat Ukraine. NATO would make quick work of him.
I hope some work is going on under cover in russia to prepare a peaceful collapse.
With the obvious difference that I don’t want islamic extremists to take over, I actually think Talibans takeover of Afghanistan once US left was almost perfect:
It seemed most military, political ans law enforcement structure just collapsed without fight because everyone had reasons to joi Taliban or was at least certain that it wouldn’t help to try to fight them.
My mum’s uncle was in the desert rats in Africa and he used to say there is nothing more dangerous than people standing by when innocent people are getting hurt. And when an innocent sovereign nation in Europe is attacked and bombed to pieces I mean we all know what happened in ww2 and people are just sleep walking into it all again have we not learned anything. You don’t give a thief what he wants he will take more we have to draw a line in the sand
Cowards. Russia publicly threatens us….and our politicians are kneeling down like the bitches they are. Fucking disgusting and embarrassing.
Ukraine has enough boots, just give them weapons, not money for the corrupted politicians/army officials to steal-weapons, everything they need to defeat the Moscovites
So Putin is the only one who can Saber rattle and push us around? Fuck Russia
Lol, I remember all of the crap that the French caught for being called “cheese eating surrender monkeys” after 9/11. And now Macron is basically screwing with the kremlin. The ruzzians know that this would be catastrophic for them. The French have a competent military and they have nukes. Having a smallish contingent of them wipe the floor with the ruzzians would be just one massive commercial for their military hardware.
France will be a major military, political, diplomatic and economic power in Europe, more than it is now. They are messing with ruzzia by being more friendly with Armenia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgystan. I want them to win this geopolitical struggle against the kremlin.
Now, if Paris REALLY wants to help, having their air force help Ukraine would be a treat.
Lets not forget one little fact.
When we were discussing climate change, and what angle bananas needs to have – russia was busy working on their short and mid range missiles – violating INF.
Right now so called nuclear powers (apart from US) have really outdated nuclear arsenal compared to russia (in terms of rockets) It’s time to start taking this crap seriously.
We cannot rely on France and UK only – we are fucked if we don’t start proper R&D for medium range rockets and I mean those five countries in particular: Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Slovakia.
Do it do it do it
Worst possible scenario, Russia uses nuclear weapons. This solves our problem too, as Putin and all those responsible for this war in the Russian federation will cease to exist. Therefore, this is actually a win.
I refuse to accept a world where people can openly admit to acts of genocidal and wage aggressive colonial wars in which they ethically cleanse or outright exterminate ethnicities in neighboring countries on the basis that they have nuclear weapons.
It’s important enough that I would rather die than allow this to progress.
Is Putin willing to die just to have his trophies? I hope we find out. I’ve known enough people who’ve died because of this.
As an American, I am not afraid of Putin / Russia.
Ukraine has worn Russia down and there is no way Russia could defend against NATO. They would easily shut down Russia’s oil and gas economy, destroy Russian air defenses, destroy the Crimea bridge and decimate Russian troops with air power allowing for a large landing of NATO / Ukrainian troops into Crimea.
Secondly, Russia is down to old tanks and has now stop gas exports for 6 months. Its clear things are not going well for Russia despite small gains (but huge losses) on the front.
Russia buying time hoping the IDIOT Donald Trump is elected!
Ukraine needs to destroy more Oil and Gas infastructure in the interim, thats quite obvious now that we know Russia is stopping all gas imports for 6 months! Do it.
Those are the obvious facts!
Putin is literally terrified.
I agree with this sub 99% of the time but fucking nato boots in Ukraine will most definitely mean ww3 and make this a war of extinction for the Russian state as once nato collapses the front so a few weeks at most, or if they want to avoid casualties attack Leningrad we would be in the scenario that MAD was meant to prevent and it is to be expected that this is what starts a nuclear war.
I want Ukraine to win but i won’t die for them if i was willing to risk that i would be at the front not back here, in my opinion someone who is fit and willing to gamble the existence of humanity on putin not launching (even if 50% fail this is still enough for a nuclear response from the us and therefore a nuclear holocaust) should be at the front right now
Then let the war begin. It’s about time that we man up and help our Ukrainian friends. Vladimir Pus sy needs to be taught a lesson that will serve the reset of the dictators a warning as well.
Why is everyone so eager to tell them that we are not going to be involved directly? We shouldn’t be so timid. Russia has attacked neutral cargo ships in the black sea, their missiles have landed on Polish and Romanian soil, they’ve sabotaged infrastructure on the bottom of Baltic Sea and off the coast of Norway. Add to that assasinations in Britain, Germany and blowing up ammunition warehouses in Czechia.
The West hasn’t even given ukraine decent long range weapons or enough ammo to fight.
I doubt that any would send troops.
All just talk. Sadly.
God, dont make me praise Macron…
This reaction is EXACTLY WHY Putins doing this. Because yall are too weak. Toothless. Russia cant even push over Ukraine (not saying UKR is weak, but russia is much bigger and more militarised)! Its lost almost its entire professional army, all of its good equipment, theyre losing at sea to a country with no navy; they wouldnt last half an hour in an actual war with NATO. Theyd lose handily to the Entente alone. But oh no, were all running for our mothers skirts because of Big Bad Russia. Give me a fucking break…