They send threatening letters to me once a month. Goes straight into the recycling.
I don’t watch TV, and refuse to give them all my personal information just so they stop sending demand letters.
What they do should be illegal.
> It might be an idea to ask the people who can afford it to pay more, rather than hound and make examples of those who can’t.
So people wanting more stuff for free
Im genuinely at a loss with this.
Why on earth are people STILL giving the BBC money? I binned my licence about 10 years ago and tbh, I miss absolutely nothing about the BBC. I watch all the other channels and online stuff – so long as nothing is live at the time Im watching it, Im golden.
There’s a [guy on twitter](https://twitter.com/kirkkorner/status/1759661660241805529) who has been posting people’s letters of mitigation explaining why they haven’t paid, and they are absolutely heartbreaking. Under the Single Justice Procedure the letters aren’t even looked at by the prosecutor and they just get summarily convicted and fined.
I just don’t answer the door to them. Then they go away. You’d have to be a total scumbag to want to do that job anyway
The worst part about these dumb fuck letters is the wording isnt consistant at all, same on their website.
If you want to make sure people pay for what they use, be crystal clear about. this is a scandal waiting to happen.
I unfortunately stopped watching the BBC years ago. The small amount of programming I was interested in was not enough to keep me returning.
As a lifelong Science Fiction fan I’ve always been disappointed that our flagship channel whose basic mandate is to promote the best and brightest of British entertainment and culture doesn’t promote an entire genre that British authors and creators helped to create.
Well, outside of Doctor Who, which has always been used quite cynically by the BBC higher-ups.
This from the channel whose Scence Fiction programming was the subject of discussion in parliament and was known to empty pubs while they were being shown. And if there’s anything that tells you how important something is to the Brits its if they forego the pub for a couple of hours.
I wish everyone would just stop paying for it. Total and utter bollocks
6% of around 30,000,000 households = 1,800,000 households they think are evading.
If 1,800,000 they prosecute around 10,000 a year.
That’s a 0.5% chance of getting caught not paying within the year.
This means in any given year you have a 1/200 chance of getting caught & fined. The cost of getting caught is up to £1000, the amount you save in a year is £160. That can be seen as 32/200
Since 32/200 is greater than 1/200, you’d be better off not paying it and risking the fine.
The cost of getting caught is at a maximum of £1000 but if you look at the prosecutions it’s normally far lower.
If you factor this in it makes the risk reward far higher.
The secret with the BBC licence is that it’s always been supported by intimidation and not prosecutions, they have trouble providing much and don’t really have many staff even working on it.
Edit: fixed mistake.
I dunno, it’s obviously not that easy to not getting caught then. My TV can be seen from the road unfortunately. Keeping all your household in the loop is also a problem
Surely, it would be more cost effective to just straight up make it state funded and roll it into the existing tax systems? Then we wouldn’t need to hire people to enforce the license fee.
It’s basically a state ran public service to provide quality, ad-free and free on access information. Normally, you don’t get to opt out of funding public services even if you don’t use them.
I remember working in student accommodation and they tried to come into the building. Security said good luck to them since the place had nearly 800 rooms they wanted to go through. They went home after realising lol.
It does seem absurd how much they try and contact you especially given how many homes now dont have a TV.
Im curious why there is such a gender gap in convictions for evasion as well? 70% being woman is an odd split
It wouldn’t be quite as bad if they didn’t front load the first years payments. You don’t pay an equal fee over the first 12 months, you pay it over 6 months instead then get the remaining 6 months for “free”.
I just can’t see how going around criminalising mainly women would be a good career choice.
I haven’t paid a TV licence in about 15 years because I don’t watch live TV or BBC material. Saved thousands.
Had a TV licence person come check once and I said I couldn’t do it now, I’ve just got the baby to sleep. ‘Oh your refusing? I will put you down as refusing….’ bitch. I just laughed and said whatever, didn’t hear shit about it.
Another time I had some crackhead looking lady turn up and make up all sorts of stories about how it’ll be enforced in the future. All of it was utter bullshit and I knew it, I let her waffle on though. She noticed I had a camera filming outside the house after a while and started acting a little differently after that.
Sometimes I let them in after a long boring dragged out conversation to see there’s no aerial, I like to waste their time when they choose to waste mine.
Get TVL letters all the time, and I haven’t had a TV in over 10 years.
The last time I let one in before moving house, they wanted access to my computer. When I refused (it was a work laptop), they tried to say that they suspect I’m watching TV and I have to pay.
I told them no and showed them to the door. They then tried to get my new address out of me. I also refused to give them that. They then threatened me with court action.
Since then, on principle, I refuse to let them in or communicate with them in any way. They don’t need my details which they’ll probably just sell to marketing and data analytics firms anyway
It’s obviously a flawed system that needs to be updated. I would be interested to hear ideas about how to pay for good public service broadcasting that is universal (which rules out a paid subscription) and independent (which rules out money from ads or from the government).
No solution will be perfect but it could, for instance, be replaced by a broadband licence that also pays for online infrastructure and regulation. The broadband licence would be required to have wifi installed at home or at work, which means it wouldn’t have to be enforced by the courts and nobody would be criminalised. It could also be linked to the value of your home, so poorer people could pay less and richer people could pay more.
I’ve not paid that thing for 15 years, if I got a £1000 fine today I would still have saved money overall
Haven’t paid for a license for nearly 10 years. Don’t watch TV. The letters stopped a few years ago now. What they do is criminal and makes my dislike for the BBC even stronger.
Every 2 years i get a letter, i go on the website and tick i dont need one, then wait another 2 years.
I only use youtube and disney+ + video games
Dr Buttarse is the name i use
No wonder the licence fee is so expensive, it must be costing them a fortune to keep sending me all these letters.
Because as usual the public institution, the BBC outsourced enforcement to Capita. They won’t make forceful entry’s in cases when they have warrants, it seems because it increases the punative measures that can be taken later.
They recently sent me an email about my new address that my direct debit details from a previous address in 2017 had failed. I believe they have used the electoral register to do this. The cheek of it.
Get fucked TV licencing. I don’t watch or record live TV or Iplayer and have not done so for 7 years. The tone of these letters is bordering harassment and theyre neglectful of the rights of consumers as they minimise and hide the option to not have a licence.
Why?
Because their own terms made it into the law itself, the national legal system lacks a framework that could support fair dispute, review and prosecution for any TV Licencing related misconduct by:
Companies and Organisations:
– BBC
– Capita Business Services Ltd
– RAPP Limited
– Havas Media
– AMV BBDO
– Fishburn Communications
Government Bodies:
– BBC(Again)
– Department for Culture, Media and Sport
Private Enforcement:
– TV Licensing
– Capita PLC
Tribunals:
– Single Justice Procedure
You cannot fight it, the system is rotten to the core unfortunately, and this is just a trivial example in regard to TV Licencing, there are other darker areas where the pattern is the same.
So keep it low, don’t allow legally nobodies into your home no matter their arrogance, do not answer the automatic letters, and do not provide your information to them based on the false promise of them leaving you in peace.
Do all of that right and all you will have to pay for is the time it takes move their letters from your postbox to the trash.
What angered me was that when you’re initially notifying them that you don’t watch live tv you get warned like 3 times, in a very threatening manner, that you WILL BE FINED if caught watching tv!
Imagine if you’re some little old person and to see that you’d just pay the license because you’d be too scared not to!
Let’s just make the BBC a subscription service, with some free-to-air content (BBC News for example) that is subsidised by adverts.
That way the people who think it’s good value can continue to pay for and watch it, and those that don’t – don’t.
I personally think the BBC represents okay value for money (not great but okay) and would likely pay for a subscription. But I think it’s quite outdated to mandate people pay for content they don’t want.
You pay to support one of the last things/institutions to be proud of in this country – it’s no different than refusing to pay council tax, and considering the state of the roads and waterways here, the BBC does a relatively far better job at delivering what it should.
Yes I’ll pay for this opinion in downvotes, I have no doubt that this will go down badly here, but I’ll die on the BBC’s hill quite happily, I know how much more ignorant and culturally inferior this country would be without it’s TV and radio services. 100% worth every penny for me.
Why can’t we have an option when buying a smart tv too delete the capability of watching bbc content then no licence needed.Simple
How are these people getting caught? Just don’t let them in, better yet don’t even answer the door. They’re not the police.
What boils my piss is that the TV licensing people can send these threatening letters to thousands of people without repercussions, but if I send similar letters to Naga Munchetty I am a “stalker” engaging in a “harassment campaign” and I should be in “prison.”
It’s not fair.
We stream everything and I’m an avid gamer, can’t remember the last time we watched normal TV, I get these once a month, “you are now under investigation” 🤣 jog the fuck on you’re getting nothing, keep wasting paper.
Their tactics need changing, and it shouldn’t be a criminal offence either.
Scramble live TV and require a licence to unscramble. There are multiple ways to do it across platforms. People who don’t want it don’t have to pay and can’t watch live TV, those who do can pay the licence and can watch live TV.
Because the myth of prosecution has long been friend of the bbc…..its the biggest con since God…….you can phone up and opt out and they say no problem but we might still make a random visit….and I say fine but your still not coming in my house….then you get a letter telling you your exempt….I’ve never paid tv license….I stream everything
Your local paper usually lists the monthly court proceedings. There’s at least 2/3 per month just from my area of prosecutions for not having a tv license. It’s absolutely ludicrous. The whole thing is just gross
TV Licensing is run by Crapita on behalf of the government, who are perfectly happy to let blame get redirected to the BBC (who, while being the eventual recipients of TV License money, are neither responsible for the TV Licence, its level or its collection).
Had it when I first moved into a house, someone come round explained that I didn’t own a tv, and half my belongings were still in boxes. Guy who came round was happy enough that it was an error, but still got letters every couple of months.
I don’t have a license, their letters all go straight in the bin, and I’m never letting anyone in the house should they come knocking. So how are they catching “1000 people a week”, genuine question?
If you have to threaten potential customers to make your business viable, then you can hurry up and go under as far as I’m concerned.
I came home from work once to see a MASSIVE dude stood on my front garden plants trying to peer through my front window.
My initial thoughts was that he was trying to break in…
Turns out he was trying to determine whether I had a TV… As it that would tell him whether I need a licence or not anyway.
This on top of years of threatening letters and general BS.
I rang their number and went off on them. Told them in no uncertain terms that Ill never want their service and, if I ever did, I’ll be the one to contact them. The guy listened to my rant for about 5 minutes and, after a moment of silence, said “Ok, sorry about that sir. I’ll mark your file and we’ll be around again in a year to double check.”.
No lie, a guy knocked at the door last week and asked me if I lived here and if I owned the place. I said yes, and he showed me his ID which was a TV Licensing badge. I told him I wasn’t interested and closed the door. Funniest shit 🤣
Not had a licence in 7 years. Had so many letters over the years and had my first visit this week!
Knock at the door and I answer –
Tv Goon : “Hi could I speak to the home owner please?”
Me : “Yeah what’s up?”
Tv Goon: “I’m from the tv licensing…”
Me interrupting: “yeah I don’t speak…” and shut the door on him.
He then scuttles off into his brand new white BMW 5 Series. Scum.
Easy as that.
Because government is too lazy to change the law to create a way for the BBC “licence fee” to be taken via common tax pool.
Seriously. If you really want your PBS to be propped up by revenue based on pretty much every household paying the licence fee, then work out what sum that is and add it to every everyone’s tax liability – and stop assuming that some tax-resident people should be exempt from contributing to the cost of PBS.
I had some horendous letters when I first moved into my apartment. They started ok and then very harassing with red letters and threatening to come round etc. Problem was it was a new build and so no one had actually been living there until me. I sorted a TV license but they shouldn’t be sending really threatening letters to an unoccupied place.
Get this: in Europe tv license is added to your water bill as otherwise nobody would pay it.
I no longer watch or own a TV. I have hundreds of books I can read instead.
If you use BBCs services then pay your TV license, if not then don’t. There are people around the world who rely on BBCs broadcasts on the World Service and they knock out some pretty great TV content too, how do you think that’s paid for when the channels are ad-free?
They’re definitely a worthwhile institution for David Attenborough’s content alone but yet we have all this bitching because they send a few letters telling you to pay for it if you’re using it or notify them if you’re not.
Never watched tv, got the letter, paid for TV just to stop the harassment, the fact that most people these days own a “smart-tv” only makes it harder as they come with integrated tv app and they don’t chase people until 2-years. This is an outdated form of taxing and it’s disgusting, they know what they’re doing. They’re taking advantage of old, vulnerable people
Are they sending this hate mail with a pre paid envelope enclosed?
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They send threatening letters to me once a month. Goes straight into the recycling.
I don’t watch TV, and refuse to give them all my personal information just so they stop sending demand letters.
What they do should be illegal.
> It might be an idea to ask the people who can afford it to pay more, rather than hound and make examples of those who can’t.
So people wanting more stuff for free
Im genuinely at a loss with this.
Why on earth are people STILL giving the BBC money? I binned my licence about 10 years ago and tbh, I miss absolutely nothing about the BBC. I watch all the other channels and online stuff – so long as nothing is live at the time Im watching it, Im golden.
There’s a [guy on twitter](https://twitter.com/kirkkorner/status/1759661660241805529) who has been posting people’s letters of mitigation explaining why they haven’t paid, and they are absolutely heartbreaking. Under the Single Justice Procedure the letters aren’t even looked at by the prosecutor and they just get summarily convicted and fined.
I just don’t answer the door to them. Then they go away. You’d have to be a total scumbag to want to do that job anyway
The worst part about these dumb fuck letters is the wording isnt consistant at all, same on their website.
If you want to make sure people pay for what they use, be crystal clear about. this is a scandal waiting to happen.
I unfortunately stopped watching the BBC years ago. The small amount of programming I was interested in was not enough to keep me returning.
As a lifelong Science Fiction fan I’ve always been disappointed that our flagship channel whose basic mandate is to promote the best and brightest of British entertainment and culture doesn’t promote an entire genre that British authors and creators helped to create.
Well, outside of Doctor Who, which has always been used quite cynically by the BBC higher-ups.
This from the channel whose Scence Fiction programming was the subject of discussion in parliament and was known to empty pubs while they were being shown. And if there’s anything that tells you how important something is to the Brits its if they forego the pub for a couple of hours.
I wish everyone would just stop paying for it. Total and utter bollocks
Given the predicted rate of evasion in any given year is over [5% and much higher in recent years](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8101/) this is a subtle advertisement to not bother paying.
Here’s some maths.
6% of around 30,000,000 households = 1,800,000 households they think are evading.
If 1,800,000 they prosecute around 10,000 a year.
That’s a 0.5% chance of getting caught not paying within the year.
This means in any given year you have a 1/200 chance of getting caught & fined. The cost of getting caught is up to £1000, the amount you save in a year is £160. That can be seen as 32/200
Since 32/200 is greater than 1/200, you’d be better off not paying it and risking the fine.
The cost of getting caught is at a maximum of £1000 but if you look at the prosecutions it’s normally far lower.
If you factor this in it makes the risk reward far higher.
The secret with the BBC licence is that it’s always been supported by intimidation and not prosecutions, they have trouble providing much and don’t really have many staff even working on it.
Edit: fixed mistake.
I dunno, it’s obviously not that easy to not getting caught then. My TV can be seen from the road unfortunately. Keeping all your household in the loop is also a problem
Surely, it would be more cost effective to just straight up make it state funded and roll it into the existing tax systems? Then we wouldn’t need to hire people to enforce the license fee.
It’s basically a state ran public service to provide quality, ad-free and free on access information. Normally, you don’t get to opt out of funding public services even if you don’t use them.
I remember working in student accommodation and they tried to come into the building. Security said good luck to them since the place had nearly 800 rooms they wanted to go through. They went home after realising lol.
It does seem absurd how much they try and contact you especially given how many homes now dont have a TV.
Im curious why there is such a gender gap in convictions for evasion as well? 70% being woman is an odd split
It wouldn’t be quite as bad if they didn’t front load the first years payments. You don’t pay an equal fee over the first 12 months, you pay it over 6 months instead then get the remaining 6 months for “free”.
I just can’t see how going around criminalising mainly women would be a good career choice.
I haven’t paid a TV licence in about 15 years because I don’t watch live TV or BBC material. Saved thousands.
Had a TV licence person come check once and I said I couldn’t do it now, I’ve just got the baby to sleep. ‘Oh your refusing? I will put you down as refusing….’ bitch. I just laughed and said whatever, didn’t hear shit about it.
Another time I had some crackhead looking lady turn up and make up all sorts of stories about how it’ll be enforced in the future. All of it was utter bullshit and I knew it, I let her waffle on though. She noticed I had a camera filming outside the house after a while and started acting a little differently after that.
Sometimes I let them in after a long boring dragged out conversation to see there’s no aerial, I like to waste their time when they choose to waste mine.
Get TVL letters all the time, and I haven’t had a TV in over 10 years.
The last time I let one in before moving house, they wanted access to my computer. When I refused (it was a work laptop), they tried to say that they suspect I’m watching TV and I have to pay.
I told them no and showed them to the door. They then tried to get my new address out of me. I also refused to give them that. They then threatened me with court action.
Since then, on principle, I refuse to let them in or communicate with them in any way. They don’t need my details which they’ll probably just sell to marketing and data analytics firms anyway
It’s obviously a flawed system that needs to be updated. I would be interested to hear ideas about how to pay for good public service broadcasting that is universal (which rules out a paid subscription) and independent (which rules out money from ads or from the government).
No solution will be perfect but it could, for instance, be replaced by a broadband licence that also pays for online infrastructure and regulation. The broadband licence would be required to have wifi installed at home or at work, which means it wouldn’t have to be enforced by the courts and nobody would be criminalised. It could also be linked to the value of your home, so poorer people could pay less and richer people could pay more.
I’ve not paid that thing for 15 years, if I got a £1000 fine today I would still have saved money overall
Haven’t paid for a license for nearly 10 years. Don’t watch TV. The letters stopped a few years ago now. What they do is criminal and makes my dislike for the BBC even stronger.
Every 2 years i get a letter, i go on the website and tick i dont need one, then wait another 2 years.
I only use youtube and disney+ + video games
Dr Buttarse is the name i use
No wonder the licence fee is so expensive, it must be costing them a fortune to keep sending me all these letters.
Because as usual the public institution, the BBC outsourced enforcement to Capita. They won’t make forceful entry’s in cases when they have warrants, it seems because it increases the punative measures that can be taken later.
They recently sent me an email about my new address that my direct debit details from a previous address in 2017 had failed. I believe they have used the electoral register to do this. The cheek of it.
Get fucked TV licencing. I don’t watch or record live TV or Iplayer and have not done so for 7 years. The tone of these letters is bordering harassment and theyre neglectful of the rights of consumers as they minimise and hide the option to not have a licence.
Why?
Because their own terms made it into the law itself, the national legal system lacks a framework that could support fair dispute, review and prosecution for any TV Licencing related misconduct by:
Companies and Organisations:
– BBC
– Capita Business Services Ltd
– RAPP Limited
– Havas Media
– AMV BBDO
– Fishburn Communications
Government Bodies:
– BBC(Again)
– Department for Culture, Media and Sport
Private Enforcement:
– TV Licensing
– Capita PLC
Tribunals:
– Single Justice Procedure
You cannot fight it, the system is rotten to the core unfortunately, and this is just a trivial example in regard to TV Licencing, there are other darker areas where the pattern is the same.
So keep it low, don’t allow legally nobodies into your home no matter their arrogance, do not answer the automatic letters, and do not provide your information to them based on the false promise of them leaving you in peace.
Do all of that right and all you will have to pay for is the time it takes move their letters from your postbox to the trash.
What angered me was that when you’re initially notifying them that you don’t watch live tv you get warned like 3 times, in a very threatening manner, that you WILL BE FINED if caught watching tv!
Imagine if you’re some little old person and to see that you’d just pay the license because you’d be too scared not to!
Let’s just make the BBC a subscription service, with some free-to-air content (BBC News for example) that is subsidised by adverts.
That way the people who think it’s good value can continue to pay for and watch it, and those that don’t – don’t.
I personally think the BBC represents okay value for money (not great but okay) and would likely pay for a subscription. But I think it’s quite outdated to mandate people pay for content they don’t want.
You pay to support one of the last things/institutions to be proud of in this country – it’s no different than refusing to pay council tax, and considering the state of the roads and waterways here, the BBC does a relatively far better job at delivering what it should.
Yes I’ll pay for this opinion in downvotes, I have no doubt that this will go down badly here, but I’ll die on the BBC’s hill quite happily, I know how much more ignorant and culturally inferior this country would be without it’s TV and radio services. 100% worth every penny for me.
Why can’t we have an option when buying a smart tv too delete the capability of watching bbc content then no licence needed.Simple
How are these people getting caught? Just don’t let them in, better yet don’t even answer the door. They’re not the police.
What boils my piss is that the TV licensing people can send these threatening letters to thousands of people without repercussions, but if I send similar letters to Naga Munchetty I am a “stalker” engaging in a “harassment campaign” and I should be in “prison.”
It’s not fair.
We stream everything and I’m an avid gamer, can’t remember the last time we watched normal TV, I get these once a month, “you are now under investigation” 🤣 jog the fuck on you’re getting nothing, keep wasting paper.
Their tactics need changing, and it shouldn’t be a criminal offence either.
Scramble live TV and require a licence to unscramble. There are multiple ways to do it across platforms. People who don’t want it don’t have to pay and can’t watch live TV, those who do can pay the licence and can watch live TV.
Because the myth of prosecution has long been friend of the bbc…..its the biggest con since God…….you can phone up and opt out and they say no problem but we might still make a random visit….and I say fine but your still not coming in my house….then you get a letter telling you your exempt….I’ve never paid tv license….I stream everything
Your local paper usually lists the monthly court proceedings. There’s at least 2/3 per month just from my area of prosecutions for not having a tv license. It’s absolutely ludicrous. The whole thing is just gross
TV Licensing is run by Crapita on behalf of the government, who are perfectly happy to let blame get redirected to the BBC (who, while being the eventual recipients of TV License money, are neither responsible for the TV Licence, its level or its collection).
Had it when I first moved into a house, someone come round explained that I didn’t own a tv, and half my belongings were still in boxes. Guy who came round was happy enough that it was an error, but still got letters every couple of months.
I don’t have a license, their letters all go straight in the bin, and I’m never letting anyone in the house should they come knocking. So how are they catching “1000 people a week”, genuine question?
If you have to threaten potential customers to make your business viable, then you can hurry up and go under as far as I’m concerned.
I came home from work once to see a MASSIVE dude stood on my front garden plants trying to peer through my front window.
My initial thoughts was that he was trying to break in…
Turns out he was trying to determine whether I had a TV… As it that would tell him whether I need a licence or not anyway.
This on top of years of threatening letters and general BS.
I rang their number and went off on them. Told them in no uncertain terms that Ill never want their service and, if I ever did, I’ll be the one to contact them. The guy listened to my rant for about 5 minutes and, after a moment of silence, said “Ok, sorry about that sir. I’ll mark your file and we’ll be around again in a year to double check.”.
No lie, a guy knocked at the door last week and asked me if I lived here and if I owned the place. I said yes, and he showed me his ID which was a TV Licensing badge. I told him I wasn’t interested and closed the door. Funniest shit 🤣
Not had a licence in 7 years. Had so many letters over the years and had my first visit this week!
Knock at the door and I answer –
Tv Goon : “Hi could I speak to the home owner please?”
Me : “Yeah what’s up?”
Tv Goon: “I’m from the tv licensing…”
Me interrupting: “yeah I don’t speak…” and shut the door on him.
He then scuttles off into his brand new white BMW 5 Series. Scum.
Easy as that.
Because government is too lazy to change the law to create a way for the BBC “licence fee” to be taken via common tax pool.
Seriously. If you really want your PBS to be propped up by revenue based on pretty much every household paying the licence fee, then work out what sum that is and add it to every everyone’s tax liability – and stop assuming that some tax-resident people should be exempt from contributing to the cost of PBS.
I had some horendous letters when I first moved into my apartment. They started ok and then very harassing with red letters and threatening to come round etc. Problem was it was a new build and so no one had actually been living there until me. I sorted a TV license but they shouldn’t be sending really threatening letters to an unoccupied place.
Get this: in Europe tv license is added to your water bill as otherwise nobody would pay it.
I no longer watch or own a TV. I have hundreds of books I can read instead.
If you use BBCs services then pay your TV license, if not then don’t. There are people around the world who rely on BBCs broadcasts on the World Service and they knock out some pretty great TV content too, how do you think that’s paid for when the channels are ad-free?
They’re definitely a worthwhile institution for David Attenborough’s content alone but yet we have all this bitching because they send a few letters telling you to pay for it if you’re using it or notify them if you’re not.
Never watched tv, got the letter, paid for TV just to stop the harassment, the fact that most people these days own a “smart-tv” only makes it harder as they come with integrated tv app and they don’t chase people until 2-years. This is an outdated form of taxing and it’s disgusting, they know what they’re doing. They’re taking advantage of old, vulnerable people
Are they sending this hate mail with a pre paid envelope enclosed?