She’s going to get her 1500€.. because the apartment is cheap, ground floor and in an ok location. But it makes me sick. I need a cheap apartment, and ground floor is great because we’re pregnant, but there’s no way I can drop a 1500€ bribe for what essentially amounts to half of a kitchen..
Just say things like you could imagine buying it. But never say you will – then if the contacts with the landlord is okay, make an fair offer.
We sold a similar kitchen for 1000€, including all appliances like dishwasher, oven, Dunstabzug..
If she seeks for a „nachmieter“ this normaly means she already has a new flat and wants to get out of teh contract early.
Which puts you in a good negotiation base unless some idiot is going to pay.
The idea of indicating you want to pay and then trying to negotiate could backfire. She could just say no and just take the kitchen out and move out to the normal end of the contract.
I would go there and then try to negotiate less (like 1000€, from what i see probably less) depending on the state the kitchen is in.
A good idea would be to try and find a similar kitchen at ikea and check the new price and try to build an argument around it.
Edit:
Oh, and for the argument:
This is NOT a Einbauküche.
Its standalone kitchen furniture.
Simple for the fact that the Arbeitsplatte is not going edge to edge and nothing is really integrated.
I would personally pay 0, maybe a small fee if the electrical devices are new and i need them anyways 🙂
Edit2:
After looking even closer the hangers are even of a different kind than the board. ……. Awful scam 🙂
1500€ is way too much, but i bet you can negotiate them down to at least 1000€, but even less should be possible. Usually they just want to get rid if it. Also for 1000€ you wont get a kitchen of that size and equipment which doesnt look like total garbage. And you still need to transport it and build it up.
I honestly don’t see the problem – 1500 sounds like a reasonable price for a basic kitchen.
That’s one hell of a patchwork kitchen.
But it’s a one-of-a-kind designer kitchen!
that thing shouldn’t even be worth 500€
Its an ikea kitchen.
I am in a similar position (just I want to sell the furniture… yeah sue me;) )
But I also thought that now people agreed to buy the furniture and now they talk to the landlord. So if you and the landlord agree that you move in after the official notice period is over there is nothing the current tenant can do. They need to be gone by a certain date and if they leave earlier it’s their problem.
This IS an extortionate price for such a… erm, random assortment of kitchen-like things. What you’ll have to decide is if
* you are desperate enough and/or the appartment itself is so good that you could accept it anyways
* you see it as a value in itself that you wouldn’t have to look for, buy and install a full kitchen yourself, at least for the time being
* you would be okay to pay at least 3-4x that for a new kitchen instead, assuming you can’t fit your current one or don’t have one of your own yet.
Trying to haggle it down to 1000€ would still be worth a try, you can always go back and pay the full price if Isabella backs out.
If it wasn’t for the awful market situation, I’d totally tell her to go frick herself, wanting that much for such an abomination. Unless the appliances are fairly new and better models from Miele, Bosch, Bauknecht, Siemens, etc., which I somehow doubt.
I bet they paid 1,5k as well. Don’t see it as a price for the kitchen, it is the price to get the apartment.
I have couple of questions:
1) Can you findout what is the breakdown price of the appliances? I see: 1) full size(?) fridge, 2) four-burner stove with oven, 3) dish washer, 4) the remains.
2) Do you have furniture of your own which you intend to move to the place?
3) Does the price include dining furniture as well? Can they throw that in?
Charging this much for this trash is considered a felony
The landlord doesn’t care. She/he wants a shortlist of applicants from the current tenant. You won’t get on the shortlist if you don’t buy the kitchen.
You can make a calculation and offset the 1500€ to the monthly rent. If you plan to live a little bit longer in the apartment, that might not be that much. For three years, it would be about 40€ per month. If the apartment is cheap, you might get out with a good price after all.
We paid 1000€ for the crappy kitchen in our apartment. But now we have been living in 70 m2 apartment for 500€ warm for the past 7 years. Pretty well invested money.
If this kitchen wasn’t installed yesterday, completely with dishwasher and stuff, there is no way it’s even worth 500€.
Ask how old it is, and for the bills to check the original price. I doubt it even costs 1500€ brand new.
Also ask them for the number of the landlord if you can’t find it, then call the landlord directly and say that you are interested, but would not want to pay 1500€ for this kitchen.
My landlord told the previous tenant to either lower the price of his kitchen, or to remove it completely at own cost.
Got a new, modern kitchen for 1000€.
Agree to buy the kitchen to come in contact with landlord, do everything with landlord and then don’t buy it?
Is everything on the picture included? The fridge, oven, stove, dishwasher? If yes and it all works then just pay it. Yes its a bad price but putting in new kitchen with the same equipment will cost you at least double.
But mainly, you can do the same thing when you move out. This is just the way it is with good flats, if you dont agree or try to negotiate, you are out. If everything still works when you move out in few years you can easily ask for 500-1000 for it again, possibly even the same 1500 if its in high demand area.
If you dont like the kitchen and want to put a new in there, thats another thing. You can sell it on ebay probably for like 500€ so you have to count the 1000€ losses towards your rent. That’s like 17€ a month over 5 years, thats worth it for a good flat id say.
Depening on where that is you light consider offering more money to get the apartment.
But 1500 looks alright, does it not?
You can only agree, and when you got the contact disagree again. The Vormieter probably has to remove the kitchen, if you will be chosen by the landlord.
I had the same,, i mean they just want to sell it for you but till now when i moved normally in germany you give the house or flat EMPTY! I mean when its from them not from the landlord tell them you dont need it! Thats all! They throw it out or sell it its their problem not yours!!!!!!
Definetly complain to the landlord even if you dont get or want the flat anymore,this practice needs to be ended its preventing poor people who can barely afford rent and deposit to be able to get nice livingspace because this is middleclass flat gatekeeping and in my opinion a kind of gentrification
Edit: a word
Is normal in Germany to ask the next tenant to pay something for leaving the kitchen. Negotiate with them about the price, if you want. But if you do not agree, be aware, that the lease does not include a kitchen and that the previous tenants will have to remove it, if you do not agree.
Don’t be a cunt. My ex was trying to find a new tenant, and priced her kitchen and furniture reasonably. She had agreed a price with a prospective tenant and forwarded his details to the landlord.
One guy who viewed the apartment and said he didn’t want to pay for the kitchen called the landlord, lied that he had been offered the flat and signed the paperwork. We had to strip the kitchen and sell everything individually.
On his move in day, he was furious that the kitchen and furniture advertised in the original posting, that he hadn’t paid for, weren’t there.
Negotiate with the tenant or find somewhere else. Don’t be a cunt.
It’s a totally normal kitchen from IKEA. If it’s not super old and every furniture and device shown on the pic is included the price is ok.
This isn’t anywhere close to an Einbauküche.
1500€ is really not a lot. I paid 1300€ for EBK half this size.
I have assholes that “want to switch apartments” filtered out. It’s already difficult to find an apartment and you’re making it worse. This guy is directly stealing
If you want to play it that way, pretend to be ok with the 1500€ but agree to settle this once you get the contract to the flat. Then either start negotiating (eg offer 500 or ask them to remove the kitchen). The landlord won’t care.
It’s illegal. They cannot ask you to pay for that. So just lie. Apply for the apartment regularly. In case you get the contract, sign it. The contract will most likely say that they have to give back the apartment empty to the landlord anyway. Then you tell them you don’t want it. It’s mean to do so, but well, Berlin housing market…
Just say yes and after you met the landlord renegotiate the price.
Just pretend you want to take over the kitchen. As soon as you are in contact with the landlord and you can get the apartment, you throw your statements overboard and let the previous tenants take the kitchen with them.
Legally/fiscally a fitted kitchen depreciates over 10 years. (I know it isn’t really, or it doesn’t look like that from the picture, but that’s the way it’s advertised.)
You could respond by stating that yes, you will pay an Ablöse (I guess there will be no way around that) but would need to see the kitchen first, need a copy of the receipt (if you pay for it, the warranty, if any, should transfer to you too), and that you will pay a reasonable price taking into consideration any amortisation (based on the 10-year amortisation rule described above).
It may still be more money than you want to pay, but you will have a kitchen to start with (which unfortunately is not always the case in Germany, however that became common practice is beyond me), and at least you won’t feel screwed.
The tenant might reject you, but at least you have argued your case and there will be no surprises for anyone.
The current tenant will provide a shortlist to the landlord. So you would need to buy it, if you want the apartment. But if the kitchen is that shitty anyway I believe you will not live there for 5 years and a new kitchen is pretty expensive. I believe it is in a bigger city no? Because in cities you are able to sell this shitty stuff for that huge amount of money. You could at least sell it for 1000 Euro when you leave. I would just pay it instead of buying a new one, installing it and then selling it with a discount to the next tenant.
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She’s going to get her 1500€.. because the apartment is cheap, ground floor and in an ok location. But it makes me sick. I need a cheap apartment, and ground floor is great because we’re pregnant, but there’s no way I can drop a 1500€ bribe for what essentially amounts to half of a kitchen..
Just say things like you could imagine buying it. But never say you will – then if the contacts with the landlord is okay, make an fair offer.
We sold a similar kitchen for 1000€, including all appliances like dishwasher, oven, Dunstabzug..
If she seeks for a „nachmieter“ this normaly means she already has a new flat and wants to get out of teh contract early.
Which puts you in a good negotiation base unless some idiot is going to pay.
The idea of indicating you want to pay and then trying to negotiate could backfire. She could just say no and just take the kitchen out and move out to the normal end of the contract.
I would go there and then try to negotiate less (like 1000€, from what i see probably less) depending on the state the kitchen is in.
A good idea would be to try and find a similar kitchen at ikea and check the new price and try to build an argument around it.
Edit:
Oh, and for the argument:
This is NOT a Einbauküche.
Its standalone kitchen furniture.
Simple for the fact that the Arbeitsplatte is not going edge to edge and nothing is really integrated.
I would personally pay 0, maybe a small fee if the electrical devices are new and i need them anyways 🙂
Edit2:
After looking even closer the hangers are even of a different kind than the board. ……. Awful scam 🙂
1500€ is way too much, but i bet you can negotiate them down to at least 1000€, but even less should be possible. Usually they just want to get rid if it. Also for 1000€ you wont get a kitchen of that size and equipment which doesnt look like total garbage. And you still need to transport it and build it up.
I honestly don’t see the problem – 1500 sounds like a reasonable price for a basic kitchen.
That’s one hell of a patchwork kitchen.
But it’s a one-of-a-kind designer kitchen!
that thing shouldn’t even be worth 500€
Its an ikea kitchen.
I am in a similar position (just I want to sell the furniture… yeah sue me;) )
But I also thought that now people agreed to buy the furniture and now they talk to the landlord. So if you and the landlord agree that you move in after the official notice period is over there is nothing the current tenant can do. They need to be gone by a certain date and if they leave earlier it’s their problem.
This IS an extortionate price for such a… erm, random assortment of kitchen-like things. What you’ll have to decide is if
* you are desperate enough and/or the appartment itself is so good that you could accept it anyways
* you see it as a value in itself that you wouldn’t have to look for, buy and install a full kitchen yourself, at least for the time being
* you would be okay to pay at least 3-4x that for a new kitchen instead, assuming you can’t fit your current one or don’t have one of your own yet.
Trying to haggle it down to 1000€ would still be worth a try, you can always go back and pay the full price if Isabella backs out.
If it wasn’t for the awful market situation, I’d totally tell her to go frick herself, wanting that much for such an abomination. Unless the appliances are fairly new and better models from Miele, Bosch, Bauknecht, Siemens, etc., which I somehow doubt.
I bet they paid 1,5k as well. Don’t see it as a price for the kitchen, it is the price to get the apartment.
I have couple of questions:
1) Can you findout what is the breakdown price of the appliances? I see: 1) full size(?) fridge, 2) four-burner stove with oven, 3) dish washer, 4) the remains.
2) Do you have furniture of your own which you intend to move to the place?
3) Does the price include dining furniture as well? Can they throw that in?
Charging this much for this trash is considered a felony
The landlord doesn’t care. She/he wants a shortlist of applicants from the current tenant. You won’t get on the shortlist if you don’t buy the kitchen.
You can make a calculation and offset the 1500€ to the monthly rent. If you plan to live a little bit longer in the apartment, that might not be that much. For three years, it would be about 40€ per month. If the apartment is cheap, you might get out with a good price after all.
We paid 1000€ for the crappy kitchen in our apartment. But now we have been living in 70 m2 apartment for 500€ warm for the past 7 years. Pretty well invested money.
If this kitchen wasn’t installed yesterday, completely with dishwasher and stuff, there is no way it’s even worth 500€.
Ask how old it is, and for the bills to check the original price. I doubt it even costs 1500€ brand new.
Also ask them for the number of the landlord if you can’t find it, then call the landlord directly and say that you are interested, but would not want to pay 1500€ for this kitchen.
My landlord told the previous tenant to either lower the price of his kitchen, or to remove it completely at own cost.
Got a new, modern kitchen for 1000€.
Agree to buy the kitchen to come in contact with landlord, do everything with landlord and then don’t buy it?
Is everything on the picture included? The fridge, oven, stove, dishwasher? If yes and it all works then just pay it. Yes its a bad price but putting in new kitchen with the same equipment will cost you at least double.
But mainly, you can do the same thing when you move out. This is just the way it is with good flats, if you dont agree or try to negotiate, you are out. If everything still works when you move out in few years you can easily ask for 500-1000 for it again, possibly even the same 1500 if its in high demand area.
If you dont like the kitchen and want to put a new in there, thats another thing. You can sell it on ebay probably for like 500€ so you have to count the 1000€ losses towards your rent. That’s like 17€ a month over 5 years, thats worth it for a good flat id say.
Depening on where that is you light consider offering more money to get the apartment.
But 1500 looks alright, does it not?
You can only agree, and when you got the contact disagree again. The Vormieter probably has to remove the kitchen, if you will be chosen by the landlord.
I had the same,, i mean they just want to sell it for you but till now when i moved normally in germany you give the house or flat EMPTY! I mean when its from them not from the landlord tell them you dont need it! Thats all! They throw it out or sell it its their problem not yours!!!!!!
Definetly complain to the landlord even if you dont get or want the flat anymore,this practice needs to be ended its preventing poor people who can barely afford rent and deposit to be able to get nice livingspace because this is middleclass flat gatekeeping and in my opinion a kind of gentrification
Edit: a word
Is normal in Germany to ask the next tenant to pay something for leaving the kitchen. Negotiate with them about the price, if you want. But if you do not agree, be aware, that the lease does not include a kitchen and that the previous tenants will have to remove it, if you do not agree.
Don’t be a cunt. My ex was trying to find a new tenant, and priced her kitchen and furniture reasonably. She had agreed a price with a prospective tenant and forwarded his details to the landlord.
One guy who viewed the apartment and said he didn’t want to pay for the kitchen called the landlord, lied that he had been offered the flat and signed the paperwork. We had to strip the kitchen and sell everything individually.
On his move in day, he was furious that the kitchen and furniture advertised in the original posting, that he hadn’t paid for, weren’t there.
Negotiate with the tenant or find somewhere else. Don’t be a cunt.
It’s a totally normal kitchen from IKEA. If it’s not super old and every furniture and device shown on the pic is included the price is ok.
This isn’t anywhere close to an Einbauküche.
1500€ is really not a lot. I paid 1300€ for EBK half this size.
I have assholes that “want to switch apartments” filtered out. It’s already difficult to find an apartment and you’re making it worse. This guy is directly stealing
If you want to play it that way, pretend to be ok with the 1500€ but agree to settle this once you get the contract to the flat. Then either start negotiating (eg offer 500 or ask them to remove the kitchen). The landlord won’t care.
It’s illegal. They cannot ask you to pay for that. So just lie. Apply for the apartment regularly. In case you get the contract, sign it. The contract will most likely say that they have to give back the apartment empty to the landlord anyway. Then you tell them you don’t want it. It’s mean to do so, but well, Berlin housing market…
Just say yes and after you met the landlord renegotiate the price.
Just pretend you want to take over the kitchen. As soon as you are in contact with the landlord and you can get the apartment, you throw your statements overboard and let the previous tenants take the kitchen with them.
Legally/fiscally a fitted kitchen depreciates over 10 years. (I know it isn’t really, or it doesn’t look like that from the picture, but that’s the way it’s advertised.)
You could respond by stating that yes, you will pay an Ablöse (I guess there will be no way around that) but would need to see the kitchen first, need a copy of the receipt (if you pay for it, the warranty, if any, should transfer to you too), and that you will pay a reasonable price taking into consideration any amortisation (based on the 10-year amortisation rule described above).
It may still be more money than you want to pay, but you will have a kitchen to start with (which unfortunately is not always the case in Germany, however that became common practice is beyond me), and at least you won’t feel screwed.
The tenant might reject you, but at least you have argued your case and there will be no surprises for anyone.
The current tenant will provide a shortlist to the landlord. So you would need to buy it, if you want the apartment. But if the kitchen is that shitty anyway I believe you will not live there for 5 years and a new kitchen is pretty expensive. I believe it is in a bigger city no? Because in cities you are able to sell this shitty stuff for that huge amount of money. You could at least sell it for 1000 Euro when you leave. I would just pay it instead of buying a new one, installing it and then selling it with a discount to the next tenant.