Most serious estimates are at least going for a ~300k casualties’ figure for the Russian side, so it’s not far stretched to believe that number given here.
But what the MoD is saying should also be taken with a grain of salt (to a much lesser extent than Ukrainian MoD) because it’s clearly making those estimates and reports in the attempt at increasing support for Ukraine, so right off the bat they are already establishing a bias in terms of reporting.
Back in 2022 they were giving a very doom & gloom picture of the Russian military due to their failed attack on Ukraine, claiming that they were running out of men and ammo. In 2023 they even claimed that because they were running out of ammo (artillery), they had to send conscripts assault Ukrainian positions with firearms and shovels.
Those claims are not necessarily completely fabricated, but they’re clearly portrayed in a way that amplifies Russia’s shortcomings more than they actually are. If you believed what Russia is claiming, you wonder why they’re not near Warsaw at this point, if you believe what Ukraine & their allies are claiming, you wonder why they’re not near Moscow. I think I’ve heard it only once, from an obscure American intel report (that I don’t think gained much traction) where they saw the conflict continuing well over 2024, that was in early 2023 AFAIK.
The only thing I’m quite certain now, is that both sides completely underestimated the other’s resilience.
Edit: Since people are asking for examples of wishful thinking or downright misleading reports, here’s an example:
**21 September 2023**
> On 15 September 2003, Russian state Duma Defence Comittee Chair[…] reiterated that mobilised personnel were obliged to serve for the duration of the SMO. In a new admission of the stark situation at the front[…] also said it was not possible for personnel to be rotated out of the SMO during their service.
So, right off the bat, UK MOD uses a statement from the Russian MoD to corroborate claims that the situation for the Russian soldiers is precarious, this isn’t the Russian MoD saying it is, this is UK MoD interpetating those words as an admission.
What makes this statement biaised, is that the same month, Zaluzhny was complaining that troop rotations in Ukraine was so limited that Ukrainians weren’t willing to enlist. Zaluzhny even said, a month later, that if Ukraine were to implement legislation for troop rotation, they would need two times more men.
Also, in February, now that Zaluzhny is replaced, troop rotation is STILL viewed as a major concern for Ukraine and is one of the key focus of the Ukrainian MoD.
So there you have it, an instance where the UK MoD gives you factual reporting of what is happening on the Russian frontlines… without telling you that the very same thing is happening on the Ukrainian side.
**25 September 2023**
> Russia continues to display only minimal capability on the offensive[…] Commanders struggle […] maintain high morale and offensive spirit
**3 November 2023**
> both sides have struggled to assemble uncommitted striking forces capable of a breakthrough[…]
Really makes you think this war is set on a stalemate yeah? UK MoD repeatedly says that Ukraine is repelling Russian attacks, that Russia is struggling more and more with morale and materiel to make offensives and breakthroughs… And we both know what happened to Avdiivka a few months later.
Are we seriously pretending that UK MoD has absolutely no understanding of the situation on the ground, in regards to Ukrainian shortcomings in ammo & materiel (and troops) compared to Russia so that they couldn’t foresee increase attacks in one of the most fortified Ukrainian position on the entire frontline?
We all know the UK MoD has a far, far better understanding of the situation on the ground than everyone here, to think they couldn’t see the writting on the wall is ludicrous.
Ukraine 31k deaths vs Russia 355k casualties
Yeah sure … both numbers are just propaganda shit.
Edit: You are right those two number are not comparable since one is deaths and other casualties.
Get fucked
Ukraine would/will have suffered similar numbers !
For context: Casualties refer to deaths and injuries. In truth, Ukraine claims to have lost 30k troops and they’ve said that Russia has lost 70k. There’s roughly 4 injured for 1 dead.
Who cares. Russia won, grow up kids.
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80k dead
The big issue here however is that Putin and the Russian military leadership would be completely fine with having to add a 0 to this number.
I am seeing people believing such thing out of naivete. Don’t. This is pure propaganda and we must be aware of this. Some even claim Ukraine is winning this, some are even saying the days of Russian army are counting backwards. No.
Yes and I’m sure the Russians are still sending “human waves” with shovels and bayonets.
I have head that Ukraine has lost 444 000 troops.
That’s the reason why idea of sending NATO troops to Ukraine is being introduced. Very timidly right now but as days go by more and more demandingly.
Damage control provided by russian bots kinda proves that
Literally the cheapest thing in Russia/USSR is/was a human life. Even if 335k is over estimated they won’t care much.
Doesn’t seem like a lot for a two year war, does anyone know how it compares with other modern wars?
Whats their breaking point i wonder
From 1964 to 1975, the US had about 212,000 total casualties.
This amount to is absolutely mind boggling. It will cripple Russias population and economy for decades.
Putin needs to fully withdraw and cut his losses.
Let’s add a zero.
…And the sad truth is that Putin doesn’t care even if the number is ten times that. Russia isn’t China or India population-wise, but its still ~130M people with 25 million men between ages 20-45.
355 000 is a rounding error to the current regime, its not even a full year’s worth of conscripts, and if this pace of war keeps up the last thing Russia runs out of will be manpower.
Literally, there is ~330K casualties on Russian side, and ~ 500.000 on Ukrainian side.. Simply terrible. Leving us speachless
Part of that was Putin getting rid of the people he didn’t want in the country anyway. He sent the weak, criminals, addicts… He just sent a lot of them in there to die.
355-500k casualties, 1mil involved in the war, 2mil+ who ran out of the country. All odds these being in the core of the economic activity. This is disaster for Russian economy on a huge scale. The fact that they are still functioning is interesting.
Isn’t there anyone in leaderships that can appeal, really appeal, to russians who are good. Europe was appreciating most of the things that represented Russia. Why are you killing a country that was trying so hard to improve itself only to turn it to the dark ages of colonization? Its a new age, Russia don’t need Ukraine to prosper. FFS
can we do a million, boyz?
This tells you exactly what the Russian dictatorship thinks of its own people. Turning nearly 400,000 into hamburger for an idiotic war based on idiotic lies. Putin should be hung.
The sad thing is many of these are Ukrainians taken from occupied areas and Ukraine will never know their true loses.
And coupled with that, it’s important to remember this bc this is ALSO why Russia doesn’t feel it as much as the high number implies. These losses aren’t simply Russian loses but Ukrainians taken to fight as well as all the soldiers russia has recruited from outside.
That’s part of why Russians themselves don’t feel it as much as we would think.
And pootin has access to millions more Ukrainians.
This is part of the genocide.
It’s 2 genocides / ethnic cleansings happening at the same time. One in Ukraine and the other for the ethnic minorities at the outskirts that your regular moscovites will never notice is gone and they don’t feel a bit of the war affecting them bc of that. All these ethnic minorities being used for the war mongering moscovites. I have sympathy but then I realize what they have done in Ukraine whether they were ethnic minorities or not and the sympathy fades. But that still doesn’t change the fact that pootin is taking their ethnic minorities and protecting his precious white ones.
It’s so bizarre that the “global south” supports this and doesn’t realize they are supporting white supremacy, imperialism, and colonialism….. all the things that apparently they have been against but in current times they cheer for it. Talk about hypocrisy.
One of the reasons we have wanted the truth to come out is to PREVENT Russian lies from soaking the social media discourse and hopefully PREVENT others from joining the Russian military and hopefully know what they are getting into. Like when Russia tries to get Africans, Indians, Cubans, etc to join. They are soaked in Russian propaganda listening to RT. Too bad so many are willing for there to be more victims and prop up this war with Russian propaganda.
👉 being “pro Russian” should mean you care about Russians and NOT WANT THIS WAR TO CONTINUE. Being a Russian propaganda addict does the opposite. Supporting Russians means supporting them freeing themsevles of the kremlin mafia and helping them stop the delusions of this war.
That’s almost a 40% casualty rate
If that’s true then I’m guessing Ukraine had lost double that
Hmmmmmmm, what about Ukraine? They introduced full martial law recruiting all women and men. Must really be 31K their losses, that guarantees that they need full martial law. It’s generally for when all the men die in the battlefield. It’s propaganda that 500K Ukrainians have been killed heheheheheh
Most of the casualties were inflicted by the Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island 13
Is that all?
And the casualties on the Ukrainian side? Does anyone believe it’s just the 31 000 that Zelensky said?
It won’t stop Russia, material degradation is the way to go
I don’t know if anyone else has this problem but I always used to think casualties means dead. But it also includes wounded. Dead are like 60k according to a rather sophisticated analysis by the Economist (the newspaper) which took into account several sources of information including local death announcements in Russian newspapers etc.
I care about russian casualties about as much as russian do. Not at all. Recently I have seen more videos of russian soldiers being better armor for combat vehicles than their actual armor. What I want to know are their equipment loses, because that is what will win the war.
If Ukraine manages to decimate russian equipment, artillery, tanks and vehicles, then they will be able to resist meat weaves assaults by simply moving them down like in 1914. Russia won’t run out of soldiers to the front, they will get them from somewhere, be it prison, Asia, Africa, or South America, but they won’t run out of grunts to die.
That’s why better sanctions, artillery, and long range weapons are the most important now. Ukraine needs the ability to kill a large number of enemies before they can even fire back. Otherwise, Russia can have even 10 adiivkas where they are said to have lost 17k troops and continue the war.
And let’s be honest, at this point, people of Western nations pity dead Russians more than actual Russians. I reserve my pity to ukrainian soldiers and civilians living in terror. Right now, I wouldn’t mind second Covid pandemic to spreading across the world if it meant Russia would back off or lose ability to wage war.
According UK MoD Ukraine has been very close to winning the war for the last year
Oh thays why the unemployment rate is going down in russia. Great succes for the economy
This thread really shows how many people don’t understand the difference between casualties and deaths.
Quite unrealistic numbers given that total amount of russian army in Ukraine (200k initial + 300k mobilised +400k volunteers + lets say 80k volunteered convicts = ~1 mil). No army can wage offensive with 30% casualties even with only wounded. It will be collapse of front
I’ll just put it out there: Don’t believe any nonsense any side is saying about casualties, they are all liars
Common Russian L.
Is this the usual copium? If they lost this ammount of troops should their military not collapse? Why is the war still going on? We got these constant news of x tanks and y jets were shot down and z soldiers died, yet the map indicates slight russian advance. What is a good source that summarizes what is happening over there objectively?
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Most serious estimates are at least going for a ~300k casualties’ figure for the Russian side, so it’s not far stretched to believe that number given here.
But what the MoD is saying should also be taken with a grain of salt (to a much lesser extent than Ukrainian MoD) because it’s clearly making those estimates and reports in the attempt at increasing support for Ukraine, so right off the bat they are already establishing a bias in terms of reporting.
Back in 2022 they were giving a very doom & gloom picture of the Russian military due to their failed attack on Ukraine, claiming that they were running out of men and ammo. In 2023 they even claimed that because they were running out of ammo (artillery), they had to send conscripts assault Ukrainian positions with firearms and shovels.
Those claims are not necessarily completely fabricated, but they’re clearly portrayed in a way that amplifies Russia’s shortcomings more than they actually are. If you believed what Russia is claiming, you wonder why they’re not near Warsaw at this point, if you believe what Ukraine & their allies are claiming, you wonder why they’re not near Moscow. I think I’ve heard it only once, from an obscure American intel report (that I don’t think gained much traction) where they saw the conflict continuing well over 2024, that was in early 2023 AFAIK.
The only thing I’m quite certain now, is that both sides completely underestimated the other’s resilience.
Edit: Since people are asking for examples of wishful thinking or downright misleading reports, here’s an example:
**21 September 2023**
> On 15 September 2003, Russian state Duma Defence Comittee Chair[…] reiterated that mobilised personnel were obliged to serve for the duration of the SMO. In a new admission of the stark situation at the front[…] also said it was not possible for personnel to be rotated out of the SMO during their service.
So, right off the bat, UK MOD uses a statement from the Russian MoD to corroborate claims that the situation for the Russian soldiers is precarious, this isn’t the Russian MoD saying it is, this is UK MoD interpetating those words as an admission.
What makes this statement biaised, is that the same month, Zaluzhny was complaining that troop rotations in Ukraine was so limited that Ukrainians weren’t willing to enlist. Zaluzhny even said, a month later, that if Ukraine were to implement legislation for troop rotation, they would need two times more men.
Also, in February, now that Zaluzhny is replaced, troop rotation is STILL viewed as a major concern for Ukraine and is one of the key focus of the Ukrainian MoD.
So there you have it, an instance where the UK MoD gives you factual reporting of what is happening on the Russian frontlines… without telling you that the very same thing is happening on the Ukrainian side.
**25 September 2023**
> Russia continues to display only minimal capability on the offensive[…] Commanders struggle […] maintain high morale and offensive spirit
**3 November 2023**
> both sides have struggled to assemble uncommitted striking forces capable of a breakthrough[…]
Really makes you think this war is set on a stalemate yeah? UK MoD repeatedly says that Ukraine is repelling Russian attacks, that Russia is struggling more and more with morale and materiel to make offensives and breakthroughs… And we both know what happened to Avdiivka a few months later.
Are we seriously pretending that UK MoD has absolutely no understanding of the situation on the ground, in regards to Ukrainian shortcomings in ammo & materiel (and troops) compared to Russia so that they couldn’t foresee increase attacks in one of the most fortified Ukrainian position on the entire frontline?
We all know the UK MoD has a far, far better understanding of the situation on the ground than everyone here, to think they couldn’t see the writting on the wall is ludicrous.
Ukraine 31k deaths vs Russia 355k casualties
Yeah sure … both numbers are just propaganda shit.
Edit: You are right those two number are not comparable since one is deaths and other casualties.
Get fucked
Ukraine would/will have suffered similar numbers !
For context: Casualties refer to deaths and injuries. In truth, Ukraine claims to have lost 30k troops and they’ve said that Russia has lost 70k. There’s roughly 4 injured for 1 dead.
Who cares. Russia won, grow up kids.
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80k dead
The big issue here however is that Putin and the Russian military leadership would be completely fine with having to add a 0 to this number.
I am seeing people believing such thing out of naivete. Don’t. This is pure propaganda and we must be aware of this. Some even claim Ukraine is winning this, some are even saying the days of Russian army are counting backwards. No.
Yes and I’m sure the Russians are still sending “human waves” with shovels and bayonets.
I have head that Ukraine has lost 444 000 troops.
That’s the reason why idea of sending NATO troops to Ukraine is being introduced. Very timidly right now but as days go by more and more demandingly.
Damage control provided by russian bots kinda proves that
Literally the cheapest thing in Russia/USSR is/was a human life. Even if 335k is over estimated they won’t care much.
Doesn’t seem like a lot for a two year war, does anyone know how it compares with other modern wars?
Whats their breaking point i wonder
From 1964 to 1975, the US had about 212,000 total casualties.
This amount to is absolutely mind boggling. It will cripple Russias population and economy for decades.
Putin needs to fully withdraw and cut his losses.
Let’s add a zero.
…And the sad truth is that Putin doesn’t care even if the number is ten times that. Russia isn’t China or India population-wise, but its still ~130M people with 25 million men between ages 20-45.
355 000 is a rounding error to the current regime, its not even a full year’s worth of conscripts, and if this pace of war keeps up the last thing Russia runs out of will be manpower.
Literally, there is ~330K casualties on Russian side, and ~ 500.000 on Ukrainian side.. Simply terrible. Leving us speachless
Part of that was Putin getting rid of the people he didn’t want in the country anyway. He sent the weak, criminals, addicts… He just sent a lot of them in there to die.
355-500k casualties, 1mil involved in the war, 2mil+ who ran out of the country. All odds these being in the core of the economic activity. This is disaster for Russian economy on a huge scale. The fact that they are still functioning is interesting.
Isn’t there anyone in leaderships that can appeal, really appeal, to russians who are good. Europe was appreciating most of the things that represented Russia. Why are you killing a country that was trying so hard to improve itself only to turn it to the dark ages of colonization? Its a new age, Russia don’t need Ukraine to prosper. FFS
can we do a million, boyz?
This tells you exactly what the Russian dictatorship thinks of its own people. Turning nearly 400,000 into hamburger for an idiotic war based on idiotic lies. Putin should be hung.
The sad thing is many of these are Ukrainians taken from occupied areas and Ukraine will never know their true loses.
And coupled with that, it’s important to remember this bc this is ALSO why Russia doesn’t feel it as much as the high number implies. These losses aren’t simply Russian loses but Ukrainians taken to fight as well as all the soldiers russia has recruited from outside.
That’s part of why Russians themselves don’t feel it as much as we would think.
And pootin has access to millions more Ukrainians.
This is part of the genocide.
It’s 2 genocides / ethnic cleansings happening at the same time. One in Ukraine and the other for the ethnic minorities at the outskirts that your regular moscovites will never notice is gone and they don’t feel a bit of the war affecting them bc of that. All these ethnic minorities being used for the war mongering moscovites. I have sympathy but then I realize what they have done in Ukraine whether they were ethnic minorities or not and the sympathy fades. But that still doesn’t change the fact that pootin is taking their ethnic minorities and protecting his precious white ones.
It’s so bizarre that the “global south” supports this and doesn’t realize they are supporting white supremacy, imperialism, and colonialism….. all the things that apparently they have been against but in current times they cheer for it. Talk about hypocrisy.
One of the reasons we have wanted the truth to come out is to PREVENT Russian lies from soaking the social media discourse and hopefully PREVENT others from joining the Russian military and hopefully know what they are getting into. Like when Russia tries to get Africans, Indians, Cubans, etc to join. They are soaked in Russian propaganda listening to RT. Too bad so many are willing for there to be more victims and prop up this war with Russian propaganda.
👉 being “pro Russian” should mean you care about Russians and NOT WANT THIS WAR TO CONTINUE. Being a Russian propaganda addict does the opposite. Supporting Russians means supporting them freeing themsevles of the kremlin mafia and helping them stop the delusions of this war.
That’s almost a 40% casualty rate
If that’s true then I’m guessing Ukraine had lost double that
Hmmmmmmm, what about Ukraine? They introduced full martial law recruiting all women and men. Must really be 31K their losses, that guarantees that they need full martial law. It’s generally for when all the men die in the battlefield. It’s propaganda that 500K Ukrainians have been killed heheheheheh
Most of the casualties were inflicted by the Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island 13
Is that all?
And the casualties on the Ukrainian side? Does anyone believe it’s just the 31 000 that Zelensky said?
It won’t stop Russia, material degradation is the way to go
I don’t know if anyone else has this problem but I always used to think casualties means dead. But it also includes wounded. Dead are like 60k according to a rather sophisticated analysis by the Economist (the newspaper) which took into account several sources of information including local death announcements in Russian newspapers etc.
I care about russian casualties about as much as russian do. Not at all. Recently I have seen more videos of russian soldiers being better armor for combat vehicles than their actual armor. What I want to know are their equipment loses, because that is what will win the war.
If Ukraine manages to decimate russian equipment, artillery, tanks and vehicles, then they will be able to resist meat weaves assaults by simply moving them down like in 1914. Russia won’t run out of soldiers to the front, they will get them from somewhere, be it prison, Asia, Africa, or South America, but they won’t run out of grunts to die.
That’s why better sanctions, artillery, and long range weapons are the most important now. Ukraine needs the ability to kill a large number of enemies before they can even fire back. Otherwise, Russia can have even 10 adiivkas where they are said to have lost 17k troops and continue the war.
And let’s be honest, at this point, people of Western nations pity dead Russians more than actual Russians. I reserve my pity to ukrainian soldiers and civilians living in terror. Right now, I wouldn’t mind second Covid pandemic to spreading across the world if it meant Russia would back off or lose ability to wage war.
According UK MoD Ukraine has been very close to winning the war for the last year
Oh thays why the unemployment rate is going down in russia. Great succes for the economy
This thread really shows how many people don’t understand the difference between casualties and deaths.
Quite unrealistic numbers given that total amount of russian army in Ukraine (200k initial + 300k mobilised +400k volunteers + lets say 80k volunteered convicts = ~1 mil). No army can wage offensive with 30% casualties even with only wounded. It will be collapse of front
I’ll just put it out there: Don’t believe any nonsense any side is saying about casualties, they are all liars
Common Russian L.
Is this the usual copium? If they lost this ammount of troops should their military not collapse? Why is the war still going on? We got these constant news of x tanks and y jets were shot down and z soldiers died, yet the map indicates slight russian advance. What is a good source that summarizes what is happening over there objectively?
Rookie numbers.
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