Pretty much it’s only racism sustaining anti-immigration GOP talking points, not facts.
But listen, it only matters when black and brown people commit crimes. When they’re white, they’re supported for political office.
It’s an obvious fact on its face. An immigrant committing a crime, even a minor one, risks far more than just the criminal penalties. Makes sense that they wouldn’t risk so much coming here and then turn around and jeopardize it.
I’d like to say no shit, and point at the multiple studies that have already confirmed this previously, but it wouldn’t make a single fucking difference. Immigrants commit fewer crimes than natural born citizens due to stronger community ties and the struggle and scary uncertainty inherent in moving to a new country. This is really basic shit we are discussing here.
Trump isn’t helping the average for U.S.-born Americans.
They don’t want to fix the border. They want to rage against the Other.
The reality of immigration is that it’s fucking hard.
Imagine dropping everything, and moving to another country. Even if you speak the language, you’ve lost your whole comfort zone. Everything is different. And you’re automatically a second class citizen.
And the idea is that, what, only lazy people want to do this? It’s *hard*. Lazy people sit and rot within 20 miles of where they were born, like half of rural America. They do not travel hundreds or thousands of miles to try and roll the dice for a chance to make things better for themselves.
I’ve been seeing anecdote after anecdote in right wing media that all follow the same pattern
The ___________ (type of migrant) did___________ (some horrible thing) to_____________ (sympathetic person)
It’s easy to make *any group* of people look bad by simply highlighting a few individuals who did something horrible. Then repeat the same thing every day with a slightly different context each time. First it’s a rapist, then a burglar, then a murderer, etc. It’s an age-old scapegoating technique.
Of course it’s tragic anytime *anyone* commits violence. However, right wingers are shamelessly politicizing and weaponizing these tragedies to smear all immigrants.
This article has it right. To get more valid conclusions, look at the *whole group*. Here’s another source that shows, on the whole, immigrants commit crimes at a much lower rate than u.s. citizens do.
“One of the Millions of illegal border crossers…” -Katie Britt
We should be so lucky. These immigrants are risking a lot moving to a country with such a high rate of gun related crimes.
Why are republicans still bringing up the border as if they didn’t just walk away from a border deal THEY CREATED
I personally find this to be true. I’m of Latino descent. They are always so grateful and hardworking. They are not perfect, nobody is, but they definitely contribute to society.
Nothing new. This has been known.
It’s honestly crazy that something so obvious has to be stated at all. Like seriously, why would anyone throw away all that hard work just to get in?
Blaming immigrants was a Nazi theme. And it was an American theme. In fact, it’s occurred over and over around the world.
It’s BS based on fear and control. Nothing more. Nothing less. The feeble minded will fellate the firehose of hate. The rest of us know better.
Most mass shooters aren’t transgender, but that doesn’t stop conservatives from claiming each new perpetrator is trans.
They go through a shitload of work (legal or otherwise) to get here.
The absolute last thing they want is to end up in a spotlight that’ll get them sent back to wherever they came from.
It’s another reason why the republican claim that immigrants are criminals is fucking stupid.
The average xenophobe doesn’t care if immigrants commit less crimes
And if Republicans valued evidence, this would change a lot of minds.
You’re here illegally. You want to stay here. What do you do? Avoid all attention of any kind. You follow the law, closely. You avoid cops. You don’t talk to the media. You certainly don’t go around breaking the law.
Figures.
So?
And that fentanyl coming across the border? 90% of it is smuggled by Americans for Americans, at legal points of entry.
Yes. I particularly enjoyed her statement about the Venezuelan murderer. It completely undermined the GOP’s position on immigrants. To paraphrase, “He is one of the million illegal immigrants.” In other words, the odds of an illegal immigrant committing murder is a million to one.
Yes it is hard! My us born friend from Oaxa, Mexico (who’s mother was American) got married to a girl in Oaxa. They had to stay separated for 5 long years. During that time, we became pen pals and wrote weekly. She went to school to be a dentist down there for 5 years and practiced. Once she got here though, she was told her medical degree was no good, even though she’s had the same training as her counterparts here. It’s incredibly hard. That being said, they’ve been married for 28 years and have to successful educated sons. The did it legally. I live in San Diego, we are a border town. We see it all. The thing is it isn’t just Mexicans. It’s Chinese, Turkish, Guatemalans, a lot of various central American countries trying to escape the drug cartels, Russians, Ukrainians, and more. The rest of the country that doesn’t have to deal with it and speculate, but the reality of crossing in some places from a completely different country illegally is incredibly dangerous. We have insane border patrol, then if you get past them, you have miles of desert that is freezing at night and blistering by day. No water, dangerous snakes, scorpions, terrains and more. If your life was in danger and you were crazy desperate to be safe from being murdered, what would you do? I know the border system is broken and desperately needs to be fixed, but don’t bash them until you have lived in their shoes and heard their stories. Some are so sad and terrible. We have to fix our system, then implement and show them the way to do it right. Thats the way forward. They don’t commit crimes because they don’t want to go back! They want to remain hidden and work to survive. And they do, and are mistreated by others just to survive. The level of misinformation in general is astounding. Go see for yourself. It’s an issue that hopefully gets fixed soon, so people can immigrate legally. No president has ever fixed this problem. Will Biden cross the finish line?
Immigrants are looking for the “American Dream”.
Americans, why do you want to build your country into a “Nightmare”?
Is…. Is this a new study? Wasnt this already determined?
Class gaslighting. The issue is illegal immigrants, who committed a crime by the fact they crossed the border illegally. The legal migrants, often have advanced degree, doctors, scientists, engineers, of course are less likely to be criminals. But they face so many hurdles, face the h1b lottery.
Illegals have zero respect for the laws and institutions by committing a crime right when they decide to be illegal. And we should not import one single solitary illegal criminal when we have our own criminals already.
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Pretty much it’s only racism sustaining anti-immigration GOP talking points, not facts.
But listen, it only matters when black and brown people commit crimes. When they’re white, they’re supported for political office.
It’s an obvious fact on its face. An immigrant committing a crime, even a minor one, risks far more than just the criminal penalties. Makes sense that they wouldn’t risk so much coming here and then turn around and jeopardize it.
I’d like to say no shit, and point at the multiple studies that have already confirmed this previously, but it wouldn’t make a single fucking difference. Immigrants commit fewer crimes than natural born citizens due to stronger community ties and the struggle and scary uncertainty inherent in moving to a new country. This is really basic shit we are discussing here.
Trump isn’t helping the average for U.S.-born Americans.
They don’t want to fix the border. They want to rage against the Other.
The reality of immigration is that it’s fucking hard.
Imagine dropping everything, and moving to another country. Even if you speak the language, you’ve lost your whole comfort zone. Everything is different. And you’re automatically a second class citizen.
And the idea is that, what, only lazy people want to do this? It’s *hard*. Lazy people sit and rot within 20 miles of where they were born, like half of rural America. They do not travel hundreds or thousands of miles to try and roll the dice for a chance to make things better for themselves.
I’ve been seeing anecdote after anecdote in right wing media that all follow the same pattern
The ___________ (type of migrant) did___________ (some horrible thing) to_____________ (sympathetic person)
It’s easy to make *any group* of people look bad by simply highlighting a few individuals who did something horrible. Then repeat the same thing every day with a slightly different context each time. First it’s a rapist, then a burglar, then a murderer, etc. It’s an age-old scapegoating technique.
Of course it’s tragic anytime *anyone* commits violence. However, right wingers are shamelessly politicizing and weaponizing these tragedies to smear all immigrants.
This article has it right. To get more valid conclusions, look at the *whole group*. Here’s another source that shows, on the whole, immigrants commit crimes at a much lower rate than u.s. citizens do.
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immigration-linked-to-more-or-less-crime/
“One of the Millions of illegal border crossers…” -Katie Britt
We should be so lucky. These immigrants are risking a lot moving to a country with such a high rate of gun related crimes.
Why are republicans still bringing up the border as if they didn’t just walk away from a border deal THEY CREATED
I personally find this to be true. I’m of Latino descent. They are always so grateful and hardworking. They are not perfect, nobody is, but they definitely contribute to society.
Nothing new. This has been known.
It’s honestly crazy that something so obvious has to be stated at all. Like seriously, why would anyone throw away all that hard work just to get in?
Blaming immigrants was a Nazi theme. And it was an American theme. In fact, it’s occurred over and over around the world.
It’s BS based on fear and control. Nothing more. Nothing less. The feeble minded will fellate the firehose of hate. The rest of us know better.
Most mass shooters aren’t transgender, but that doesn’t stop conservatives from claiming each new perpetrator is trans.
They go through a shitload of work (legal or otherwise) to get here.
The absolute last thing they want is to end up in a spotlight that’ll get them sent back to wherever they came from.
It’s another reason why the republican claim that immigrants are criminals is fucking stupid.
The average xenophobe doesn’t care if immigrants commit less crimes
And if Republicans valued evidence, this would change a lot of minds.
You’re here illegally. You want to stay here. What do you do? Avoid all attention of any kind. You follow the law, closely. You avoid cops. You don’t talk to the media. You certainly don’t go around breaking the law.
Figures.
So?
And that fentanyl coming across the border? 90% of it is smuggled by Americans for Americans, at legal points of entry.
Yes. I particularly enjoyed her statement about the Venezuelan murderer. It completely undermined the GOP’s position on immigrants. To paraphrase, “He is one of the million illegal immigrants.” In other words, the odds of an illegal immigrant committing murder is a million to one.
Yes it is hard! My us born friend from Oaxa, Mexico (who’s mother was American) got married to a girl in Oaxa. They had to stay separated for 5 long years. During that time, we became pen pals and wrote weekly. She went to school to be a dentist down there for 5 years and practiced. Once she got here though, she was told her medical degree was no good, even though she’s had the same training as her counterparts here. It’s incredibly hard. That being said, they’ve been married for 28 years and have to successful educated sons. The did it legally. I live in San Diego, we are a border town. We see it all. The thing is it isn’t just Mexicans. It’s Chinese, Turkish, Guatemalans, a lot of various central American countries trying to escape the drug cartels, Russians, Ukrainians, and more. The rest of the country that doesn’t have to deal with it and speculate, but the reality of crossing in some places from a completely different country illegally is incredibly dangerous. We have insane border patrol, then if you get past them, you have miles of desert that is freezing at night and blistering by day. No water, dangerous snakes, scorpions, terrains and more. If your life was in danger and you were crazy desperate to be safe from being murdered, what would you do? I know the border system is broken and desperately needs to be fixed, but don’t bash them until you have lived in their shoes and heard their stories. Some are so sad and terrible. We have to fix our system, then implement and show them the way to do it right. Thats the way forward. They don’t commit crimes because they don’t want to go back! They want to remain hidden and work to survive. And they do, and are mistreated by others just to survive. The level of misinformation in general is astounding. Go see for yourself. It’s an issue that hopefully gets fixed soon, so people can immigrate legally. No president has ever fixed this problem. Will Biden cross the finish line?
Immigrants are looking for the “American Dream”.
Americans, why do you want to build your country into a “Nightmare”?
Is…. Is this a new study? Wasnt this already determined?
Class gaslighting. The issue is illegal immigrants, who committed a crime by the fact they crossed the border illegally. The legal migrants, often have advanced degree, doctors, scientists, engineers, of course are less likely to be criminals. But they face so many hurdles, face the h1b lottery.
Illegals have zero respect for the laws and institutions by committing a crime right when they decide to be illegal. And we should not import one single solitary illegal criminal when we have our own criminals already.