> *”He has a very clear vision, and it’s difficult to disagree with it. He [Trump] says the following: first, he will not give a single penny towards the Ukrainian-Russian war. Therefore, the war will end, because it is obvious that Ukraine cannot stand on its own feet. If the Americans do not give money or weapons along with the Europeans, then consequently, the war will end. And if the Americans do not give money, then, the Europeans are not able to finance the war by themselves. So then, the war will end.”*
**Donald Trump is a traitor to the USA, to democracy, and a total piece of shit**
US help already stopped, it must be a surprise for those two morons, but war continues, and EU now shows middle finger to US, not speaking about opinion of it’s Asian allies…
Trump thinks he can run world-wide “protection rackets” like some kind of mob boss. Asking for Europe to pay a “security price”, or else his buddy Putin will smash their stuff. This is the lowest point in American history, and the road to irrelevance for the once-proud USA.
So, according to Orban, in future very possible such reality:
1. At first, Trump wins and announce that USA finally admit that the Budapest Memorandum, 2015 years Obama’s words “Western sanctions had left Russia isolated and its economy in ruins”, Biden’s “Lend Lease” and “for as long as it takes” words were just RealPolitik games.
2. Then, after USA Trust Capital will go into minus, Ukrainians will say: “ok”, and within a few days open and distribute over territory of Ukraine one of largest in the World reserve of nuclear waste. Together with civil aviation and long-range drones. Creating super-cheap and instant WMD-deterrence.
1. And why not? If Russia could create nuclear holocaust Statut-6 torpedoes, with impunity violate tens of international agreements… If even USA spit on maintenance of International Law (as and most surrounding Ukraine, directly/indirectly participating in the war, received the greatest benefits from the war, WMD-countries/aristocracy). Why 47 million of Ukrainians also cannot play by RealPolitik rules?
2. There would be some problems with nuclear waste? As it was during USA war for Independence, French Revolution, Holocaust, a lot of things decided not so much by circumstances, but by motivation created via national memory mythologies and related to them historical inertia. And “Budapest Memorandum -> $8,000B to Russia -> 2014 year -> 2022-2023 “bleeding Russia”” already created one of the biggest epic of modernity, at least for tens of millions redistributed over World Ukrainians. Not to mention the possibility of a geopolitical equivalent of the Last Supper.
3. In other words, it’s hard for me to come up with not overall Apocalyptic event, which would threaten survival of the Ukrainian nation that finally formed through one of the most thoroughly documented and comprehensively unjust wars and genocides (in 20th century Ukrainians lost up to 16 million by killed and 8 million by assimilated) in history.
3. Because USA at last officially renounced its Global Policeman status, and question very abstract “assistance that member state deems necessary” NATO’s Article 5 words, International Law crumble.
1. “No Global Policeman = no inevitability of punishment = no International Law = everything decided by “Might make Right/True” and strive to Russian “WMD-Might make Right/True” logic/strategy.”
2. All who had interest in WMD – will begin to create WMD. Not nukes – International Law WMD, but everything that could give at least some MAD-protection. Because of enormous 1960-2020s technological/economic progress, receiving it not in years, as 3,5 million Jews during the 1960s, but in months.
3. And then will begin WMD-proliferation reaction chain: “Why we should do what Ukraine did in 1994-2024, if it’s ended in complete failure?” and “Why gas station with nukes could, and we cannot?.” Completely crazy from a long-term perspective… But to think about long-term strategies people need short-term security.
4. USA… USA what? After all of this USA will become just a big Turkey with nukes, that Turkey also very soon will receive, as Saudi Arabia, Iran, and then Egypt.
5. Absolutely everything that USA created from the moment of founding, absolutely everything to what it strived during 20th century, will crumble.
1. Partially because such events outright opposing Christian, humanistic, rational, anti-despotic American and Western fundamental values, principles, aspirations.
2. Partially because people that have something important prone to using it. Just look at Russia, that turned WMD-blackmail/racketeering into a national idea.
3. Partially because other problems as technological unemployment, disruptions in Global Market logistics, technological progress during sharp sociocultural degradation, and so on, won’t go anywhere. At least a few decades of residual inertia.
4. Therefore, at best, World would start slowly sinks into Russia-wannabe empires, theocratic regimes, populism-fascism-monarchism, feudalism and slavery (even now in Russia 1,899,000 people live in slavery-like conditions – [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Russia) not to mention meat assaults).
5. Because of 1980-2020 years USA anti-intellectualism and aging/conservatism trends and tendencies – accompanied by twerk music and accusations of people that capable only to talk about good old 1980s.
Seems like the Russian and chicom bot network is busy today.
He will not be elected. Despite the media noise he is toast. He is done politically. The majority of this country is sick of him, of his shenanigans and his treasonous attitude towards the country. America is sick of politics on both sides but it is not stupid. Hence, Ukraine will be assisted, Ukraine will be forever. Scumbags like Orban, Trump and the Kremlin psycho will be the loosers they have always been
And we will not give him 1 vote. This is the easiest way to avoid these asshats from controlling our nations.
Weak, i was expecting Trump to gather all US armed forces in Europe, to invoke a NATO summit and say: “This is it fox we invade from the other side and meet our comrades in the middle” as part of his “fast resolve”.
If you’re an American who wants your country to do more to help Ukraine, you can make a difference by pressing your government and holding demonstrations. You can also call Speaker Mike Johnson at 202-225-4000. We can coordinate over at r/ActionForUkraine. There’s also [a website](https://stopwarinukraine.com/support-ukraine-write-to-your-reps-in-congress/) to help make it clear that you support Ukraine. Feel free to spread the word as much as you can.
Why are people still voting for them…
Trump doesn’t believe in anything except money. When the shooting starts, he is the first bitch to run
HE WON’T BE PRESIDENT.
Trump will not win the election. Absolutely zero chance.
In one way, Trump being such a douche is good. As much as I believe in supporting Europe, it took Trump for them to start to realize they need to be able to support themselves as well. There is a growing divide between liberal democracy and authoritarianism, and we need strong liberal democracies. Too many nations have relied on the US to do the heavy lifting for too long.
Depraved, Degenerate, Dickhead Donald.
Orban approved no doubt. I guess it’s easy for the dictator to hide behind the protection of NATO, while Ukraine is trying to keep its democracy alive. Ukraine needs aid now.
The bloated orange corpse is a traitor to democracy.
Britain and the allies would not have beaten the nazis without American support prior to officially entering the war. I guess we should have let them be conquered instead of proping them up, according to Trump and Putin supporters. They are in the awkward position of using these arguments to support not-intervention since it retroactively supports nazi Germany.
And this is why not a single person who cares about Ukraine and doing what’s right should spend a single tourist dollar in Hungary.
If the unthinkable happens and Trump somehow wins, I hope Russia invades Hungary next and Trump repeats these same lines to him. Trump does not discriminate who he is a piece of shit too.
Europe gotta get strapped!
Putin’s puppies – both!
UA will not surrender even without a penny from the states.
Seems to me that this is standard Trump ‘doctrine’.
Given the tribal political system in the USA he will oppose anything and everything that is suggested by the Democrats to create a point of difference – he seems to do it with everything. It looks desperate to me – he knows he is in trouble (on multiple fronts) and is just doing what he knows best.
Just my 2c.
This is the way we give out our freedom, our lives, with the sound of a cheering crowd…
Trump is a fucking traitor, and gobbles up Putin’s cock every chance he gets. I just hope machine that acts as his heart gives out and he drops. He’s a waste of oxygen.
You can bet DJT has filled in Orban on everything. Whenever I need to be amused I check in on Reddit. Its a cess pool of ridiculous articles. One propagandist writes it and then echo chambers it upward. Any person with just the tiniest amount of critical thinking skills can see some poor schmuck banging away on their keyboard for whatever reason compels them to produce such fiction. If you are a Russian hope your able to avoid the conscription. If you are Chinese please enjoy your fresh bowl of bat soup.
Of course this is his plan – hand Ukraine to Putin. Putin has so much shit on this guy that he will do anything to please him. He will destroy America from the inside out.
Question is how trustworthy is orban? My position is, not at all.
RussianMediaMonitor on YouTube is probably the best way to breakthrough to GOP voters imo. Fpr those that don’t know, it’s a channel that clips Russian news media.
They hate the nation of America, and its abundantly clear on their TV programs. They are our enemy and GOP voters just don’t know it – you can say they are too dense but we can’t stop trying to talk reason with them.
How narrow his mind can be… he cannot see that US prosperity depends on a stable Europe.. and he is willing to throw that all away just for his personal gain.
He really is the anti-chris.
“The holocaust will fizzle out once all Jews, Sinti, Roma, gays, and non-nazis have been gassed. No problem”
In b4 some Republican Redditors chime in with, “Ppl are freaking out for nothing cuz once elected he will do the right thing. TDS I swear”.
That’s because Putin said so. This sack of crap is so caught up in Russia, He is at this point, the most dangerous idiot to walk amongst the top leaders of the world. He is the Costco for World leaders. He serves hot dogs and gives weapons to our enemies. And even worse than weapons. Top secret information at the top of our government. I bet 50 bucks this wank would tell you Nuclear secrets while taking a piss next to you.
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Orban, on Trump:
> *”He has a very clear vision, and it’s difficult to disagree with it. He [Trump] says the following: first, he will not give a single penny towards the Ukrainian-Russian war. Therefore, the war will end, because it is obvious that Ukraine cannot stand on its own feet. If the Americans do not give money or weapons along with the Europeans, then consequently, the war will end. And if the Americans do not give money, then, the Europeans are not able to finance the war by themselves. So then, the war will end.”*
**Donald Trump is a traitor to the USA, to democracy, and a total piece of shit**
US help already stopped, it must be a surprise for those two morons, but war continues, and EU now shows middle finger to US, not speaking about opinion of it’s Asian allies…
Trump thinks he can run world-wide “protection rackets” like some kind of mob boss. Asking for Europe to pay a “security price”, or else his buddy Putin will smash their stuff. This is the lowest point in American history, and the road to irrelevance for the once-proud USA.
So, according to Orban, in future very possible such reality:
1. At first, Trump wins and announce that USA finally admit that the Budapest Memorandum, 2015 years Obama’s words “Western sanctions had left Russia isolated and its economy in ruins”, Biden’s “Lend Lease” and “for as long as it takes” words were just RealPolitik games.
2. Then, after USA Trust Capital will go into minus, Ukrainians will say: “ok”, and within a few days open and distribute over territory of Ukraine one of largest in the World reserve of nuclear waste. Together with civil aviation and long-range drones. Creating super-cheap and instant WMD-deterrence.
1. And why not? If Russia could create nuclear holocaust Statut-6 torpedoes, with impunity violate tens of international agreements… If even USA spit on maintenance of International Law (as and most surrounding Ukraine, directly/indirectly participating in the war, received the greatest benefits from the war, WMD-countries/aristocracy). Why 47 million of Ukrainians also cannot play by RealPolitik rules?
2. There would be some problems with nuclear waste? As it was during USA war for Independence, French Revolution, Holocaust, a lot of things decided not so much by circumstances, but by motivation created via national memory mythologies and related to them historical inertia. And “Budapest Memorandum -> $8,000B to Russia -> 2014 year -> 2022-2023 “bleeding Russia”” already created one of the biggest epic of modernity, at least for tens of millions redistributed over World Ukrainians. Not to mention the possibility of a geopolitical equivalent of the Last Supper.
3. In other words, it’s hard for me to come up with not overall Apocalyptic event, which would threaten survival of the Ukrainian nation that finally formed through one of the most thoroughly documented and comprehensively unjust wars and genocides (in 20th century Ukrainians lost up to 16 million by killed and 8 million by assimilated) in history.
3. Because USA at last officially renounced its Global Policeman status, and question very abstract “assistance that member state deems necessary” NATO’s Article 5 words, International Law crumble.
1. “No Global Policeman = no inevitability of punishment = no International Law = everything decided by “Might make Right/True” and strive to Russian “WMD-Might make Right/True” logic/strategy.”
2. All who had interest in WMD – will begin to create WMD. Not nukes – International Law WMD, but everything that could give at least some MAD-protection. Because of enormous 1960-2020s technological/economic progress, receiving it not in years, as 3,5 million Jews during the 1960s, but in months.
3. And then will begin WMD-proliferation reaction chain: “Why we should do what Ukraine did in 1994-2024, if it’s ended in complete failure?” and “Why gas station with nukes could, and we cannot?.” Completely crazy from a long-term perspective… But to think about long-term strategies people need short-term security.
4. USA… USA what? After all of this USA will become just a big Turkey with nukes, that Turkey also very soon will receive, as Saudi Arabia, Iran, and then Egypt.
5. Absolutely everything that USA created from the moment of founding, absolutely everything to what it strived during 20th century, will crumble.
1. Partially because such events outright opposing Christian, humanistic, rational, anti-despotic American and Western fundamental values, principles, aspirations.
2. Partially because people that have something important prone to using it. Just look at Russia, that turned WMD-blackmail/racketeering into a national idea.
3. Partially because other problems as technological unemployment, disruptions in Global Market logistics, technological progress during sharp sociocultural degradation, and so on, won’t go anywhere. At least a few decades of residual inertia.
4. Therefore, at best, World would start slowly sinks into Russia-wannabe empires, theocratic regimes, populism-fascism-monarchism, feudalism and slavery (even now in Russia 1,899,000 people live in slavery-like conditions – [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Russia) not to mention meat assaults).
5. Because of 1980-2020 years USA anti-intellectualism and aging/conservatism trends and tendencies – accompanied by twerk music and accusations of people that capable only to talk about good old 1980s.
Seems like the Russian and chicom bot network is busy today.
He will not be elected. Despite the media noise he is toast. He is done politically. The majority of this country is sick of him, of his shenanigans and his treasonous attitude towards the country. America is sick of politics on both sides but it is not stupid. Hence, Ukraine will be assisted, Ukraine will be forever. Scumbags like Orban, Trump and the Kremlin psycho will be the loosers they have always been
And we will not give him 1 vote. This is the easiest way to avoid these asshats from controlling our nations.
Weak, i was expecting Trump to gather all US armed forces in Europe, to invoke a NATO summit and say: “This is it fox we invade from the other side and meet our comrades in the middle” as part of his “fast resolve”.
If you’re an American who wants your country to do more to help Ukraine, you can make a difference by pressing your government and holding demonstrations. You can also call Speaker Mike Johnson at 202-225-4000. We can coordinate over at r/ActionForUkraine. There’s also [a website](https://stopwarinukraine.com/support-ukraine-write-to-your-reps-in-congress/) to help make it clear that you support Ukraine. Feel free to spread the word as much as you can.
Why are people still voting for them…
Trump doesn’t believe in anything except money. When the shooting starts, he is the first bitch to run
HE WON’T BE PRESIDENT.
Trump will not win the election. Absolutely zero chance.
In one way, Trump being such a douche is good. As much as I believe in supporting Europe, it took Trump for them to start to realize they need to be able to support themselves as well. There is a growing divide between liberal democracy and authoritarianism, and we need strong liberal democracies. Too many nations have relied on the US to do the heavy lifting for too long.
Depraved, Degenerate, Dickhead Donald.
Orban approved no doubt. I guess it’s easy for the dictator to hide behind the protection of NATO, while Ukraine is trying to keep its democracy alive. Ukraine needs aid now.
The bloated orange corpse is a traitor to democracy.
Britain and the allies would not have beaten the nazis without American support prior to officially entering the war. I guess we should have let them be conquered instead of proping them up, according to Trump and Putin supporters. They are in the awkward position of using these arguments to support not-intervention since it retroactively supports nazi Germany.
And this is why not a single person who cares about Ukraine and doing what’s right should spend a single tourist dollar in Hungary.
If the unthinkable happens and Trump somehow wins, I hope Russia invades Hungary next and Trump repeats these same lines to him. Trump does not discriminate who he is a piece of shit too.
Europe gotta get strapped!
Putin’s puppies – both!
UA will not surrender even without a penny from the states.
Seems to me that this is standard Trump ‘doctrine’.
Given the tribal political system in the USA he will oppose anything and everything that is suggested by the Democrats to create a point of difference – he seems to do it with everything. It looks desperate to me – he knows he is in trouble (on multiple fronts) and is just doing what he knows best.
Just my 2c.
This is the way we give out our freedom, our lives, with the sound of a cheering crowd…
Trump is a fucking traitor, and gobbles up Putin’s cock every chance he gets. I just hope machine that acts as his heart gives out and he drops. He’s a waste of oxygen.
You can bet DJT has filled in Orban on everything. Whenever I need to be amused I check in on Reddit. Its a cess pool of ridiculous articles. One propagandist writes it and then echo chambers it upward. Any person with just the tiniest amount of critical thinking skills can see some poor schmuck banging away on their keyboard for whatever reason compels them to produce such fiction. If you are a Russian hope your able to avoid the conscription. If you are Chinese please enjoy your fresh bowl of bat soup.
Of course this is his plan – hand Ukraine to Putin. Putin has so much shit on this guy that he will do anything to please him. He will destroy America from the inside out.
Question is how trustworthy is orban? My position is, not at all.
RussianMediaMonitor on YouTube is probably the best way to breakthrough to GOP voters imo. Fpr those that don’t know, it’s a channel that clips Russian news media.
They hate the nation of America, and its abundantly clear on their TV programs. They are our enemy and GOP voters just don’t know it – you can say they are too dense but we can’t stop trying to talk reason with them.
How narrow his mind can be… he cannot see that US prosperity depends on a stable Europe.. and he is willing to throw that all away just for his personal gain.
He really is the anti-chris.
“The holocaust will fizzle out once all Jews, Sinti, Roma, gays, and non-nazis have been gassed. No problem”
In b4 some Republican Redditors chime in with, “Ppl are freaking out for nothing cuz once elected he will do the right thing. TDS I swear”.
That’s because Putin said so. This sack of crap is so caught up in Russia, He is at this point, the most dangerous idiot to walk amongst the top leaders of the world. He is the Costco for World leaders. He serves hot dogs and gives weapons to our enemies. And even worse than weapons. Top secret information at the top of our government. I bet 50 bucks this wank would tell you Nuclear secrets while taking a piss next to you.
FBI are you listening!?.