Makes sense, Russia is at war, Europe and the US aren’t.
Misread the headline and I thought it implied Russia was making those shells for Ukraine
Ukraine wouldn’t need much artillery if we gave them more stuff that actually makes a difference beyond static frontline meatgrinders. But the enemy at home is as dangerous as the enemy afar.
Give Ukraine weapons to destroy the factories then.
Europe has been sleeping the last 2,5 decades. Putin’s intentions were clear from the moment he became Russia’s leader. Even before that.
But Europe rather sang Kumbaya and sit at the camp fire, acting all cozy and dandy. Now we’re facing the reality of cutting on defense for 3 decades or so.
Damn, almost as if a war run on foreign aid is unsustainable.
russia understands that lose in this war will be their existence problem, while US will lose one friendly country in another continent… not so critical, right?
Well they have turned their industry and factorys towards war during these 2 years while the EU is still doing the old regular production, so it’s not surprising.
All those advocating for a war should be sent to frontline. A lot of Reddit beta male warriors around here
Factor of 3 would actually be ok for a defensive war, as far as I understand it. The problem is that, it’s more than a factor of 3 currently…
The west really needs to give Ukraine air superiority and all the weapons it needs to end this stuck situation.
But no….we only do the bare minimum to keep the status quo at the front line….
There is no way a small country like Ukraine is going to beat a country with such a massive military industrial complex and larger population. Rather than sacrificing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men, Western leaders need to come together with a ceasefire agreement. USA doesn’t care about Ukrainian lives and they will happily throw Ukraine under the bus just to fight a proxy war against Russia
They need a lot of shells to hit anything. Like 1/ 50 compared to Nato.
Because only 1 in 3 is functioning
Europes arrogance really is gas. Russia is doing everything better even with sanctions covering almost everything. Embarrassing
So russia is producing shells for ukraine?
Lies, I was told they were out of everything and fighting with shovels.
Maybe CNN should have remembered ro put the *VERY IMPORTANT DETAIL* into the article that this only applies when you count *all Calibers for Russia*, from heavy 120mm Mortars to 152 & 203mm, while *only counting 155mm* for the “West”. If you apply the same criteria to western production, especially including places like Bulgaria still also making soviet-calibet shells, the actual difference is way smaller
The production-difference between only 152 and 155 is considerably smaller, and wont exist early next year at all anymore once the current measures to increase output have taken full effect.
based on Kremlin’s reports , made to keep their heads and satisfy putins wet dreams
Not a fan of how articles like this just talk about ‘artillery shells’ without seemingly specifying what type.
We know for a fact that Ukraine’s big issue is supplies of 155m ammo which is why the recent plans by the Czechs mostly focus on those.
Is it 155m that Russia is outproducing Europe and the US on, or just in general with smaller ammo as well ?
In it for the money
It really is time to dedicate serious ressourses to the european arms industry and make a collective effort, not each individual european country by its own
I’m certain we would be able to outperform them big time in both production and quality if we would dedicate to it..
I don’t get why there is not bigger political will for it, it’s the most serious security situation europe has been in since 50-60 years
If we view the situation from a very selfish and harsh point, a better deal than just producing shells and weapons for our protection and let the ukrainians pay the bloodprice for it (which they appear to be more than willing to pay to defend against russia) we ain’t going to get
We are at war, but politically and economically still in denial.
Either the gloves come off or make a peace deal. They can’t continue this horrendous middle ground forever which Ukraine will slowly lose.
We’re still on peacetime production though
Not only are we already producing more, but we are also increasing the means of denazification, and we also know how to use them effectively.
Tell MAGA Mike to pass the Ukraine aid package!
Good. Keep producing shells instead of domestic goods. Looking forward to the further degradation of the Occupiers Economy.
Potatoes and Vodka for all…..
Good for them..nothing spurs on industry like war.
What?This subreddit was talking about russia’s army fighting with shovels and stealing food.And russian economy should be dead by ages because of the sanctions.Dont get it
I want to point out cause I didn’t see if anywhere else that the Russian number includes ALL shell types from 82mm to 120mm mortars, 122mm to 152mm artillery shells and CNN is comparing it to only 155mm production.
Granted they likely are still producing more. But the number isn’t as bad as it seems. The shell intense disparity right now is because of the 3M N Korean injection even tho the leaked intelligence suggests only 60% of it was “acceptable” for use.
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Makes sense, Russia is at war, Europe and the US aren’t.
Misread the headline and I thought it implied Russia was making those shells for Ukraine
Ukraine wouldn’t need much artillery if we gave them more stuff that actually makes a difference beyond static frontline meatgrinders. But the enemy at home is as dangerous as the enemy afar.
Give Ukraine weapons to destroy the factories then.
Europe has been sleeping the last 2,5 decades. Putin’s intentions were clear from the moment he became Russia’s leader. Even before that.
But Europe rather sang Kumbaya and sit at the camp fire, acting all cozy and dandy. Now we’re facing the reality of cutting on defense for 3 decades or so.
Damn, almost as if a war run on foreign aid is unsustainable.
russia understands that lose in this war will be their existence problem, while US will lose one friendly country in another continent… not so critical, right?
Well they have turned their industry and factorys towards war during these 2 years while the EU is still doing the old regular production, so it’s not surprising.
All those advocating for a war should be sent to frontline. A lot of Reddit beta male warriors around here
Factor of 3 would actually be ok for a defensive war, as far as I understand it. The problem is that, it’s more than a factor of 3 currently…
The west really needs to give Ukraine air superiority and all the weapons it needs to end this stuck situation.
But no….we only do the bare minimum to keep the status quo at the front line….
There is no way a small country like Ukraine is going to beat a country with such a massive military industrial complex and larger population. Rather than sacrificing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men, Western leaders need to come together with a ceasefire agreement. USA doesn’t care about Ukrainian lives and they will happily throw Ukraine under the bus just to fight a proxy war against Russia
They need a lot of shells to hit anything. Like 1/ 50 compared to Nato.
Because only 1 in 3 is functioning
Europes arrogance really is gas. Russia is doing everything better even with sanctions covering almost everything. Embarrassing
So russia is producing shells for ukraine?
Lies, I was told they were out of everything and fighting with shovels.
Maybe CNN should have remembered ro put the *VERY IMPORTANT DETAIL* into the article that this only applies when you count *all Calibers for Russia*, from heavy 120mm Mortars to 152 & 203mm, while *only counting 155mm* for the “West”. If you apply the same criteria to western production, especially including places like Bulgaria still also making soviet-calibet shells, the actual difference is way smaller
The production-difference between only 152 and 155 is considerably smaller, and wont exist early next year at all anymore once the current measures to increase output have taken full effect.
based on Kremlin’s reports , made to keep their heads and satisfy putins wet dreams
Not a fan of how articles like this just talk about ‘artillery shells’ without seemingly specifying what type.
We know for a fact that Ukraine’s big issue is supplies of 155m ammo which is why the recent plans by the Czechs mostly focus on those.
Is it 155m that Russia is outproducing Europe and the US on, or just in general with smaller ammo as well ?
In it for the money
It really is time to dedicate serious ressourses to the european arms industry and make a collective effort, not each individual european country by its own
I’m certain we would be able to outperform them big time in both production and quality if we would dedicate to it..
I don’t get why there is not bigger political will for it, it’s the most serious security situation europe has been in since 50-60 years
If we view the situation from a very selfish and harsh point, a better deal than just producing shells and weapons for our protection and let the ukrainians pay the bloodprice for it (which they appear to be more than willing to pay to defend against russia) we ain’t going to get
We are at war, but politically and economically still in denial.
Either the gloves come off or make a peace deal. They can’t continue this horrendous middle ground forever which Ukraine will slowly lose.
We’re still on peacetime production though
Not only are we already producing more, but we are also increasing the means of denazification, and we also know how to use them effectively.
Tell MAGA Mike to pass the Ukraine aid package!
Good. Keep producing shells instead of domestic goods. Looking forward to the further degradation of the Occupiers Economy.
Potatoes and Vodka for all…..
Good for them..nothing spurs on industry like war.
What?This subreddit was talking about russia’s army fighting with shovels and stealing food.And russian economy should be dead by ages because of the sanctions.Dont get it
I want to point out cause I didn’t see if anywhere else that the Russian number includes ALL shell types from 82mm to 120mm mortars, 122mm to 152mm artillery shells and CNN is comparing it to only 155mm production.
Granted they likely are still producing more. But the number isn’t as bad as it seems. The shell intense disparity right now is because of the 3M N Korean injection even tho the leaked intelligence suggests only 60% of it was “acceptable” for use.