So glad this is being mentioned, I’ve not seen anything about the incident.
I think if Liverpool were already 2-1 and this pen wouldn’t affect the outcome then it would have been given.
Too big a call to give it as the game stood and the moment got to Oliver and he played it safe.
Opening fixtures this season: Onana takes out a Wolves player completely. No pen, var sleeping, criticism faced.
Reverse fixture: Onana makes an identical challenge. Again no pen, var sleeping, criticism faced but less because people have accepted there won’t be any improvement.
British refs be like: “We are the best refereeing nation in the entire world, just like we are the best nation in everything. After all, we are English. We don’t want var, we will do it the traditional English way”. Shout out to Peter Drury for mentioning that a player was ENGLISH when praising the player as if that adds +5 to the fifa ratings
Rules Analyst’s
Forest not paying to lie about this one, Mark?
The refs have repeatedly endangered the players this season by offering zero consistency in their calls.
This is the end result: players will stick a foot out studs up at chest height because there’s very likely to be zero consequences for doing so.
If you’re going to call Mac Allister’s foul against Bournemouth a red, but not give Caicedo’s tackle against Gravenberch or Caicedo’s tackle against Endo in the league cup finals as fouls even, you’ve set a double standard that players cannot readily anticipate.
If you’re going to avoid giving Mings a red after putting studs into Gakpo’s chest, and not give Doku a foul for putting studs into Mac’s chest, but give Jones a red for his foot coming up off the ball and ended with studs going into a shin, then players are still going to put in reckless, dangerous tackles because it’s more likely than not going to give them an advantage.
The PGMOL are jeopardizing the health of the players, they’re jeopardizing the legitimacy of the officiating, and they’re jeopardizing the marketability of the league. It’s simply a run away disaster that everyone is too cowardly to pull the brake on.
Well you know what Mark, they didn’t.
I wouldnt call that a foul in a game of 5aside so IMO its not a peno. He got the ball first and zero force in it. McAllister tried to make it look a lot worse then it was. Defo not enuff for VAR to overturn it. Fans just latch on to these things. Downvote if you agree !! (:
Tottenham onside
Odegard handball
Doku Dropkick
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The duality of man
Shut up Clatts you absolute pugil stick
That’s 2 games we’ve been cheated on this season, if we lose the league by the odd point we should sue the bastards
We know
See I thought that but now Clattenburg has said that I’m doubting myself.
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Interesting. Just as Kovacic should have been sent off for two yellows against Arsenal… just as City get penalties other clubs do not get.. hmm. HMMMMMM 🤔🤨🧐
Thanks. But we know.
He got the ball, both jumping, studs down.
We’re going to see the exact same situation play out in another game in the next week and get given as a penalty, because that’s what happens. And then to show no cycle is ever broken in English refereeing, a new, more exciting officiating fuck up is premiered the next week.
Absolute rubbish. Doku got the ball. Shall we have a non contact game?
Why do we have to talk about referees after every game? I am a Liverpool fan and am tired of it. We all know the refs are either shit, or corrupt, or both but it’s clear to me that we will never get a critical mass of supporters, players, and managers to do anything about it because everyone just LOVES playing the “what about” game. So why even bother talking about it? What’s to be gained by any of this? I’d much rather talk about what a great game we all saw yesterday and how an under strength side dominated a much stronger team. Fuck the refs.
They get reffed differently. Based on the historical data Liverpool being awarded that would have been a massive anomaly.
They’ve had 2, yes 2, foul based pens given by VAR, in 180 games. They’ve never had VAR give a pen after 90 mins.
Now if only there was a system in place where refs could review replays of incidents during the match to ensure that the correct decision is made….
I guess that’s too much to ask.
You are one to talk Mr Clattenberg.
If i wanted his advice it would be about Gladiators.
What are we even paying him for lmao
Liverpool blew it – quit clutching at straws and move on. Great times don’t need to rely on this sort of thing to win. Slam 3 or 4 goals in and you won’t need to complain ad nauseam about a ref’s decision on a tackle.
So what is it interesting now what Mark Clattenberg says?
Clattenburg is the most karma farming person on Earth currently.
Mark clattenburg has also says a lot of tackles or handballs shouldn’t be penaltys but not everyone agrees
We all know bro lol
No they shouldn’t. Klarna FC shit on teams for years with their Var bias. They deserve to suck a few up
Clattenburg has another shit take and is desperate to stay relevant. Shock!
He’s ruining gladiators too.
And the sky is blue, and the sun rises on the east, and Manchester City cheats.
I want Clattenburg’s agent! Guy is absolutely stealing a living!
Liverpool supporters: should Arsenal have had a penalty awarded on Saturday for Trossard being pulled down or Gabriel’a shirt being pulled in extra time?
To me that play illustrated a fundamental problem with the rules around fouls in the box. It should have been a penalty, but if it were that would have been incredibly harsh for City and incredibly lucky for Liverpool. The foul didn’t interfere with an attempt on goal, if Doku hadn’t fouled the absolute best case scenario for Liverpool involves a couple more passes before they have a look at goal and so the foul was basically the best possible outcome there for Liverpool. It was a stupid fucking play by Doku in the same way that Ederson’s foul was dumb and gave Liverpool more of a shot at goal than if he’d done nothing, but imo penalties should not be given for every foul in the box and that would make it easier to call these fouls. I don’t know what the solution is – maybe a free kick from the spot, I guess, but with the rules like they are referees are always going to be reluctant to call that foul.
Shite whining about officiating? Noooo…
It’s like déjà vu every time, isn’t it? But hey, what’s new? It’s practically a tradition at this point.
It’s like the refs have suddenly developed selective blindness – ‘Oh sorry, didn’t see that blatant foul right in front of me, too busy admiring my shiny whistle.’
But hey, what can you do? We’ll just have to add it to the list of injustices faced by Liverpool fans throughout history – right up there with the beach ball incident and the ghost goal.
Anyway, rant over. Let’s just hope karma comes around and we get a few dodgy penalties in our favor soon. To be fair we have probably had a lot of decisions go our way too, swings and roundabouts…
Never seen get screwed by referee decisions like this year’s Liverpool. All those unfair straight reds at the beginning of the yr, and now these blatant no calls vs Spurs, Arsenal & city. LFC should be up 6+ pts minimum, I’m not a conspiracy theorist but it seems like PGMOL don’t want LFC to win a title
It’s at the point where we know that Liverpool fans will bitch about something every game if they don’t win. They don’t give af about Forest getting cheated in their favor. Disgusting fanbase.
Another ‘good process’ VAR is killing it every game week
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So glad this is being mentioned, I’ve not seen anything about the incident.
I think if Liverpool were already 2-1 and this pen wouldn’t affect the outcome then it would have been given.
Too big a call to give it as the game stood and the moment got to Oliver and he played it safe.
Opening fixtures this season: Onana takes out a Wolves player completely. No pen, var sleeping, criticism faced.
Reverse fixture: Onana makes an identical challenge. Again no pen, var sleeping, criticism faced but less because people have accepted there won’t be any improvement.
British refs be like: “We are the best refereeing nation in the entire world, just like we are the best nation in everything. After all, we are English. We don’t want var, we will do it the traditional English way”. Shout out to Peter Drury for mentioning that a player was ENGLISH when praising the player as if that adds +5 to the fifa ratings
Rules Analyst’s
Forest not paying to lie about this one, Mark?
The refs have repeatedly endangered the players this season by offering zero consistency in their calls.
This is the end result: players will stick a foot out studs up at chest height because there’s very likely to be zero consequences for doing so.
If you’re going to call Mac Allister’s foul against Bournemouth a red, but not give Caicedo’s tackle against Gravenberch or Caicedo’s tackle against Endo in the league cup finals as fouls even, you’ve set a double standard that players cannot readily anticipate.
If you’re going to avoid giving Mings a red after putting studs into Gakpo’s chest, and not give Doku a foul for putting studs into Mac’s chest, but give Jones a red for his foot coming up off the ball and ended with studs going into a shin, then players are still going to put in reckless, dangerous tackles because it’s more likely than not going to give them an advantage.
The PGMOL are jeopardizing the health of the players, they’re jeopardizing the legitimacy of the officiating, and they’re jeopardizing the marketability of the league. It’s simply a run away disaster that everyone is too cowardly to pull the brake on.
Well you know what Mark, they didn’t.
I wouldnt call that a foul in a game of 5aside so IMO its not a peno. He got the ball first and zero force in it. McAllister tried to make it look a lot worse then it was. Defo not enuff for VAR to overturn it. Fans just latch on to these things. Downvote if you agree !! (:
Tottenham onside
Odegard handball
Doku Dropkick
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The duality of man
Shut up Clatts you absolute pugil stick
That’s 2 games we’ve been cheated on this season, if we lose the league by the odd point we should sue the bastards
We know
See I thought that but now Clattenburg has said that I’m doubting myself.
[removed]
Interesting. Just as Kovacic should have been sent off for two yellows against Arsenal… just as City get penalties other clubs do not get.. hmm. HMMMMMM 🤔🤨🧐
Thanks. But we know.
He got the ball, both jumping, studs down.
We’re going to see the exact same situation play out in another game in the next week and get given as a penalty, because that’s what happens. And then to show no cycle is ever broken in English refereeing, a new, more exciting officiating fuck up is premiered the next week.
Absolute rubbish. Doku got the ball. Shall we have a non contact game?
Why do we have to talk about referees after every game? I am a Liverpool fan and am tired of it. We all know the refs are either shit, or corrupt, or both but it’s clear to me that we will never get a critical mass of supporters, players, and managers to do anything about it because everyone just LOVES playing the “what about” game. So why even bother talking about it? What’s to be gained by any of this? I’d much rather talk about what a great game we all saw yesterday and how an under strength side dominated a much stronger team. Fuck the refs.
They get reffed differently. Based on the historical data Liverpool being awarded that would have been a massive anomaly.
They’ve had 2, yes 2, foul based pens given by VAR, in 180 games. They’ve never had VAR give a pen after 90 mins.
https://tomkinstimes.substack.com/p/analysing-patterns-in-800-premier?triedRedirect=true
Now if only there was a system in place where refs could review replays of incidents during the match to ensure that the correct decision is made….
I guess that’s too much to ask.
You are one to talk Mr Clattenberg.
If i wanted his advice it would be about Gladiators.
What are we even paying him for lmao
Liverpool blew it – quit clutching at straws and move on. Great times don’t need to rely on this sort of thing to win. Slam 3 or 4 goals in and you won’t need to complain ad nauseam about a ref’s decision on a tackle.
So what is it interesting now what Mark Clattenberg says?
Clattenburg is the most karma farming person on Earth currently.
Mark clattenburg has also says a lot of tackles or handballs shouldn’t be penaltys but not everyone agrees
We all know bro lol
No they shouldn’t. Klarna FC shit on teams for years with their Var bias. They deserve to suck a few up
Clattenburg has another shit take and is desperate to stay relevant. Shock!
He’s ruining gladiators too.
And the sky is blue, and the sun rises on the east, and Manchester City cheats.
I want Clattenburg’s agent! Guy is absolutely stealing a living!
Liverpool supporters: should Arsenal have had a penalty awarded on Saturday for Trossard being pulled down or Gabriel’a shirt being pulled in extra time?
To me that play illustrated a fundamental problem with the rules around fouls in the box. It should have been a penalty, but if it were that would have been incredibly harsh for City and incredibly lucky for Liverpool. The foul didn’t interfere with an attempt on goal, if Doku hadn’t fouled the absolute best case scenario for Liverpool involves a couple more passes before they have a look at goal and so the foul was basically the best possible outcome there for Liverpool. It was a stupid fucking play by Doku in the same way that Ederson’s foul was dumb and gave Liverpool more of a shot at goal than if he’d done nothing, but imo penalties should not be given for every foul in the box and that would make it easier to call these fouls. I don’t know what the solution is – maybe a free kick from the spot, I guess, but with the rules like they are referees are always going to be reluctant to call that foul.
Shite whining about officiating? Noooo…
It’s like déjà vu every time, isn’t it? But hey, what’s new? It’s practically a tradition at this point.
It’s like the refs have suddenly developed selective blindness – ‘Oh sorry, didn’t see that blatant foul right in front of me, too busy admiring my shiny whistle.’
But hey, what can you do? We’ll just have to add it to the list of injustices faced by Liverpool fans throughout history – right up there with the beach ball incident and the ghost goal.
Anyway, rant over. Let’s just hope karma comes around and we get a few dodgy penalties in our favor soon. To be fair we have probably had a lot of decisions go our way too, swings and roundabouts…
Never seen get screwed by referee decisions like this year’s Liverpool. All those unfair straight reds at the beginning of the yr, and now these blatant no calls vs Spurs, Arsenal & city. LFC should be up 6+ pts minimum, I’m not a conspiracy theorist but it seems like PGMOL don’t want LFC to win a title
It’s at the point where we know that Liverpool fans will bitch about something every game if they don’t win. They don’t give af about Forest getting cheated in their favor. Disgusting fanbase.
Another ‘good process’ VAR is killing it every game week