Are women being drafted into combat roles or are they going to take all the non-combat roles and cause even more young men to die?
Finally, equality
More volunteers than needed for the draft, so very very few or none at all is conscripted.
Defense got a bad rep for wages, carreer oportunities, military equipment, condition of the buildings on military bases….. A few hundred more recruits and almost 3 times the length of service could very well mean some would be conscripted in the future.
Oh 80s and 90s, how much I miss you…
If women get drafted and a lot of them die how will the population recover afterwards?? We need way more women than men to grow a population.
I served 347 days in the Finnish army and wouldn’t trade a day away. I know this is a controversial topic, but Europe needs to be ready for anything Russia will throw at us and conscription is one way to ensure that we avoid WW3
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The defense of your home is everyone’s responsibility, not just the men’s.
It’s sad Russia has forced this though
Shield Maidens are not a “first time.” And they will cut you.
Nobody wants to be conscripted. It’s fun to see women in this very thread resorting to old fashioned and, dare I say, patriarchal arguments to avoid being drafted. Oh, the irony!
EDIT: three people commented that they don’t see those comments. Sort by controversial, they have not deleted them and I’m definitely not making up anything to farm made up points, I’m not that desperate.
Women shouldn’t be absolved of military service – voluntary or not.
“More people” means an increase of 300 conscripts from the current 4,700 to 5,000. If passed, it will take effect in 2026.
There will be a draw on conscripts only if there are not enough volunteers to undergo training. There are currently more than enough volunteers and there actually is a lottery on who among them gets conscripted. Already, one-quarter of current conscripts are women volunteers. The law would allow them to be drawn for conscription…if there are not enough volunteers.
A big change is that training duration will be increased from 4 months to 11 months (5 basic, 6 in operational service and added training).
Y’all are so funny. Do you really think most of these women will be on the frontlines against Russians? No. Modern militaries don’t work like that. In the US army you have a tooth to tail ratio of front line soldiers to support is about 1:10. Most people being conscripted are not going to be fighting on front line (teeth) combat. They will be doing support work (tail).
Militaries generally do not want unmotivated conscripts to attack. They want people to support the 10-15% of the fighters on the front.
It’s why we had volunteer militaries for a while.
Besides, I think it would good for social cohesion if we implemented mandatory military service.
Edit: yes, you will be trained for front line combat. However, that will most likely not be your role.
While nobody wants to be drafted (including me) nor even more so to fight in real combat, I think it’s a step in the right direction. When you think about it, in case of a threat to own country, without proper training women are put at a disadvantage, and therefore become victims with no chance to fight back. While physically an average woman is not as strong as an average male, training can reduce the gap – especially when we look at who Russia drafts.
women should be conscripted everywhere. every country in Europe should conscript women. no exceptions.
There are plenty of jobs in military which do not require lots of physical strength, if it’s okay to force men to do them, I see no reason why women shouldn’t be forced as well.
Logistics for example, or factories.
women need to be included in drafts or we need to do away with them entirely. can’t put everything only on the men.
Haven’t the rest of the nordics already done that for quite a while now?
good for them
Conscription is bullshit so good everyone has to do it, not just people born with a penis
As they should.
You can’t spout shit like you’re for equality and then only conscript men into the army and let women get a free pass if they don’t want to join.
somethingsomething equal rights…
The Scandinavian model of conscription is limited/selective conscription, not the usual universal (usually male-only) conscription.
A much smaller proportion of what’s deemed the conscription-eligible population (typically, those who turn 18) gets conscripted, such that after the selection process (with tests/interviews during a call-up or mustering of around 25% of conscription-eligible), most if not all of them had indicated willingness to be drawn for conscription.
This is why Denmark (pop. 5.8 million) has “only” 4,700 conscripts (25% women volunteers), drawn from a pool of volunteers. The figures for Sweden (pop. 10.4 million) this year are they will train 8,000 conscripts (gender-neutral, with around a 2-to-1 male-female conscript split) out of 110,000 young Swedes eligible as they turn 18.
On the other hand, for example, Nordic Finland (pop. 5.5 million), with its long border and history with Russia, has long had universal male conscription and trains 27,000 conscripts (4% women volunteers) a year.
The Scandinavian model of limited/selective conscription is what countries like Germany, the Netherlands, maybe even the UK, and a few others in Europe are reportedly looking at, not universal conscription.
Conscription, good old slavery is back on the menue.
Denmark not only is the lest ranked #1 least corrupt country in the whole world, but I see now that is also tries to be the fairest country in the world, congratulations!
I think it’s the responsibility of every single citizen of a country to defend that country.
If exception are made, they should be made for something neutral, like the kids, not also for one of the 2 genders.
They want a hasty catastrophe… won’t they?
Good for them
conscription is slavery. but at least they take equality serious and actually seem to know what it is.
What is the purpose of the military if it isn’t to protect women from nonconsensual violence?
baZed
Finally, true equality! Woman up ladies, the easy life is over!
A woman can operate a drone. Besides, recent research shows more female psychopaths than we think.
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It feels like Europe is building up for war
si vis pacem, para bellum.
Are women being drafted into combat roles or are they going to take all the non-combat roles and cause even more young men to die?
Finally, equality
More volunteers than needed for the draft, so very very few or none at all is conscripted.
Defense got a bad rep for wages, carreer oportunities, military equipment, condition of the buildings on military bases….. A few hundred more recruits and almost 3 times the length of service could very well mean some would be conscripted in the future.
Oh 80s and 90s, how much I miss you…
If women get drafted and a lot of them die how will the population recover afterwards?? We need way more women than men to grow a population.
I served 347 days in the Finnish army and wouldn’t trade a day away. I know this is a controversial topic, but Europe needs to be ready for anything Russia will throw at us and conscription is one way to ensure that we avoid WW3
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The defense of your home is everyone’s responsibility, not just the men’s.
It’s sad Russia has forced this though
Shield Maidens are not a “first time.” And they will cut you.
Nobody wants to be conscripted. It’s fun to see women in this very thread resorting to old fashioned and, dare I say, patriarchal arguments to avoid being drafted. Oh, the irony!
EDIT: three people commented that they don’t see those comments. Sort by controversial, they have not deleted them and I’m definitely not making up anything to farm made up points, I’m not that desperate.
Women shouldn’t be absolved of military service – voluntary or not.
“More people” means an increase of 300 conscripts from the current 4,700 to 5,000. If passed, it will take effect in 2026.
There will be a draw on conscripts only if there are not enough volunteers to undergo training. There are currently more than enough volunteers and there actually is a lottery on who among them gets conscripted. Already, one-quarter of current conscripts are women volunteers. The law would allow them to be drawn for conscription…if there are not enough volunteers.
A big change is that training duration will be increased from 4 months to 11 months (5 basic, 6 in operational service and added training).
Y’all are so funny. Do you really think most of these women will be on the frontlines against Russians? No. Modern militaries don’t work like that. In the US army you have a tooth to tail ratio of front line soldiers to support is about 1:10. Most people being conscripted are not going to be fighting on front line (teeth) combat. They will be doing support work (tail).
Militaries generally do not want unmotivated conscripts to attack. They want people to support the 10-15% of the fighters on the front.
It’s why we had volunteer militaries for a while.
Besides, I think it would good for social cohesion if we implemented mandatory military service.
Edit: yes, you will be trained for front line combat. However, that will most likely not be your role.
While nobody wants to be drafted (including me) nor even more so to fight in real combat, I think it’s a step in the right direction. When you think about it, in case of a threat to own country, without proper training women are put at a disadvantage, and therefore become victims with no chance to fight back. While physically an average woman is not as strong as an average male, training can reduce the gap – especially when we look at who Russia drafts.
women should be conscripted everywhere. every country in Europe should conscript women. no exceptions.
There are plenty of jobs in military which do not require lots of physical strength, if it’s okay to force men to do them, I see no reason why women shouldn’t be forced as well.
Logistics for example, or factories.
women need to be included in drafts or we need to do away with them entirely. can’t put everything only on the men.
Haven’t the rest of the nordics already done that for quite a while now?
good for them
Conscription is bullshit so good everyone has to do it, not just people born with a penis
As they should.
You can’t spout shit like you’re for equality and then only conscript men into the army and let women get a free pass if they don’t want to join.
somethingsomething equal rights…
The Scandinavian model of conscription is limited/selective conscription, not the usual universal (usually male-only) conscription.
A much smaller proportion of what’s deemed the conscription-eligible population (typically, those who turn 18) gets conscripted, such that after the selection process (with tests/interviews during a call-up or mustering of around 25% of conscription-eligible), most if not all of them had indicated willingness to be drawn for conscription.
This is why Denmark (pop. 5.8 million) has “only” 4,700 conscripts (25% women volunteers), drawn from a pool of volunteers. The figures for Sweden (pop. 10.4 million) this year are they will train 8,000 conscripts (gender-neutral, with around a 2-to-1 male-female conscript split) out of 110,000 young Swedes eligible as they turn 18.
On the other hand, for example, Nordic Finland (pop. 5.5 million), with its long border and history with Russia, has long had universal male conscription and trains 27,000 conscripts (4% women volunteers) a year.
The Scandinavian model of limited/selective conscription is what countries like Germany, the Netherlands, maybe even the UK, and a few others in Europe are reportedly looking at, not universal conscription.
Conscription, good old slavery is back on the menue.
Denmark not only is the lest ranked #1 least corrupt country in the whole world, but I see now that is also tries to be the fairest country in the world, congratulations!
I think it’s the responsibility of every single citizen of a country to defend that country.
If exception are made, they should be made for something neutral, like the kids, not also for one of the 2 genders.
They want a hasty catastrophe… won’t they?
Good for them
conscription is slavery. but at least they take equality serious and actually seem to know what it is.
What is the purpose of the military if it isn’t to protect women from nonconsensual violence?
baZed
Finally, true equality! Woman up ladies, the easy life is over!
A woman can operate a drone. Besides, recent research shows more female psychopaths than we think.