the number of people who get upset and outraged at this proposal is … strange.
Cue the Fox News talking points about how this is socialism and the Nazis were socialist because they had socialist in their name.
How does this get enforced, I wonder?
I’m all for the concept, but if I’ve learned anything in the last few years it’s that laws are meaningless if they’re not backed up by consequences.
Love you, Bernie.
Bros if my economics 101 is still fresh, this is an excellent way to lift wages at least on an hourly basis even if they didn’t say no loss in wages, but Bernie’s way is better.
The one thing that I have learned is businesses would rather make a million dollars their way instead of a billion dollars our way, and they do not like to change.
I work at a glass factory. We work rotating shifts which means every week we are on a different shift. People come in tired which affects their ability to pack quality glass. Most can only handle the shift work for a year or two before quitting which means the company is always short-staffed.
The management knows that the shift work is an issue yet they don’t want to change it, because as our plant manager said. This is how it has always been. So they rather have customers sent back ware for bad quality and to shut down jobs. Then to get rid of the rotating shifts.
If this was the workweek literally EVERYONE would be employed because companies would have every position filled during every workable moment and it would take more people working to do that.
^*Anyone* ^*hiring* ^*remote* ^*positions?* ^😬
I switched to four 10s a while ago and never want to go back to a five day week.
I would be fine with this, ONLY if my pay goes from $21/hr x 40hrs to $26.25/hr x 32hrs in a week. And that instead of over 40 hours is overtime, over 32 hours would be overtime pay. I don’t think employers will be this generous.
No exception for salaried employees, I would hope?
I’d be down ngl after working in government for a year Mondays and Fridays are fake work days,
I’m all for three days weekends, but this law would fundamentally rewrite the way we operate public school calendars. As a teacher, I work a contractual amount of days (187), with averages of around 7.5 hours a day, not counting after-hour planning or grading, or occasionally mandatory faculty meetings.
A law like this would just mean that unless they work in provisions to reduce required contact totals for school employees (without a loss of income) then teacher summers would end up getting taken away so as to make up the difference while not exceeding the 32 hour a week limit. And remember, many teachers work extra over summers to offset their poor finances, so this is tantamount to a reduction in annual income.
But even with the argument that schools could just drop a day out every week, students receive credit based on the number of contact hours fulfilled for the courses they take. Thus, the accreditation process would also need to be modified, reducing how much time students are required to spend in school.
Now factor in the fact that schools are used as a kind of free daycare service by many parents. Suddenly parents are having to pay more for their children every week thanks to this plan. And as for kids who eat free breakfast, lunch, and dinner at school, they go hungry that day.
These are realities that need to be addressed. But if they can figure it out without screwing it up, then godspeed.
I really don’t get y’all opposed to this. I could get a job making more money if I wanted to, but why would I deal with the expanded hours and extra stress? If it were only 32 hours, though… I would take a 32 hour work week for a pay CUT in a heartbeat. Shit, I would take 20 hours for a pay cut if I could retain my health insurance.
Let’s start with the four day work week first then move to that. I love the four day work week with a passion. I work 2pm-12:30am Monday to Thursday and I’m still able to have an active social life with the crappy hours. If that were 5 8 hour shifts with Friday included I know damn well I’d be drained of PTO, miserable because I’d never get to see friends and family, feel rushed every weekend. Have an overall far worse quality of life.
Love it, but it ain’t going anywhere. Probably for the optics of the GOP voting against labor.
I know this isn’t going anywhere, but IF it does I worry that as an unintended consequence will be my employer will expect me to cram 45-50 hours of work into 32 instead of 40 as a salaried employee.
I was fortunate enough to work 32-hour weeks for about 4 months last year. 4 days per week, one extra day off. As a middle-aged guy, it was fucking awesome. Go Bernie, Go!
We’ve seen the invention of computing and the internet since 40 hours became the standard. It’s nuts that haven’t been able to shave off at least another 8 hours in the many decades since.
But what would the rich do if average people had an extra day of their life back to enjoy?!
How will that affect temp workers?
I get it, but we are already understaffed and underpaid, now we will have to speed up our output to make deadline?
This is years and years away from happening but introducing bills about it gets it into the conversation.
I mean, its a nice gesture, but how would this be enforced at all? This seems like step 4 or 5 after step 1 is increasing the Federal Minimum wage to livable standards.
my boss is all like “haha yeah” right now. I am “paid” for a 40 hour work week. I routinely work 50+ for no additional pay. They won’t care a bit what the government says the hours of a normal work week are, they’ll call it whatever, but everyone in my company will still be strapped to work unpaid overtime because that’s the expectation.
Let’s tackle what salary pay looks like for exempt employees next and stop taking advantage of salaried workers.
It’s going to happen, but not through this particular legislation. It’ll need a campaign behind it and an election mandate. Personally, my money is on Buttigieg in 4 years running a wildy popular campaign similar to Obamas and focused on things like this, and maybe even a “Worker’s Bill of Rights” that will address a lot of the bullshit we deal with in the modern workplace that’s not covered under current legislation (especially with the rise in working from home and advances in technology). At least I hope. Give people something to be excited for. Huge leaps forward that will have significant impacts on our lives (obviously in good ways) instead of all this incremental crap. If Trump goes down in flames and takes the old GOP with him, I think there can be a lot of good that comes out of that.
I’m sure this will fly through with bipartisan support
A 3 day weekend every week would be life changing.
Wish this would gain traction.
Science fiction pitches the future as a place where automation will allow for people to pursue art and leisure while machines work.
In reality the ruling class see the future where they get infinitely wealthier from automation and eventually have to wall themselves off from the slums and the people below them.
The one issue I don’t get is what about staffing? If let’s say a deli in a grocery store has five full time employees that work 32 hours instead of 40 hours a week and 5 part time employees working less than 32 hours a week. Who’s gonna do the extra work? The deli would have to hire more part timers or maybe even another full time person to make up the work but what if they can’t get people to hire or they can’t retain people?
I’d settle for a nation wide 9/80 schedule to start. Had that at my old job and loved it. Getting two long weekends a month was nice.
I sorta get this already, and it’s amazing.
This is the future and the way forward. Getting the ideas out there so we talk about about and consider them in the future more realistically is half the battle.
The standard 8 hour day/40 hour week already often so much more than that.
YOU DESERVE TO HAVE MORE TIME FOR YOUR OWN LIFE.
Sadly this not going to pass
So, Biden should run on this.
3 day weekends won’t be a difficult sell. 😀
Bernie farts in his hand and lifts it up… it blows away. About as effective as this bill.
I love Bernie
How does this work for a large corporation versus, say, a small, family owned restaurant?
Well, this will be great for everyone in an office, they’ll never let this happen in the trucking industry.
He is doing something not many others in american politics do-he reads and works to make our lives better. A large trial in the UK of the 32 work week has shown positive results in levels of productivity and enhancing workers lives. I don’t know that this legislation will have traction here because we don’t think forward like the rest of the developed world but imagine if it did and it could be signed under Biden?
This is silly. How would it work? Be enforced? It’s basically mandating a 20% increase in pay and costs. Is this for all businesses? How many small businesses would go out of business due to this?
I’m not against the idea of a 32 hour work week, I just don’t understand logistically how this is supposed to work.
More family time? More quality of life? More rest?
Wow, another opportunity for Bernie to promote himself while accomplishing nothing for his constituents or the country. What a guy.
America, F*ck yeah!
Productivity keeps going up but the pay value isn’t increasing to match. The balance has to come somewhere and if it comes in the form of working fewer hours for the same pay then so be it.
It would be interesting to see how that affects my job. I work in a steel mill where we have four crews that work 12 hour days on an alternating 4 day/3 day work week schedule.
We’d either get:
1: Everything stays the same except overtime starts at 32 hours instead of 40. (Most likely, IMO)
2. They hire and train four new crews so they can break the schedule up into three 8 hour shifts. (Not very likely, but it would be the most beneficial for everyone except payroll.)
3. They move to 8 hour shifts but shut down for 8 hours a day. (Almost a zero percent chance, but this would arguably be good from a maintenance perspective)
I already have a 32 hour workweek. Does this mean my boss would be forced to give me a raise? I suspect he’d just fire me instead.
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At least he keeps trying.
the number of people who get upset and outraged at this proposal is … strange.
Cue the Fox News talking points about how this is socialism and the Nazis were socialist because they had socialist in their name.
How does this get enforced, I wonder?
I’m all for the concept, but if I’ve learned anything in the last few years it’s that laws are meaningless if they’re not backed up by consequences.
Love you, Bernie.
Bros if my economics 101 is still fresh, this is an excellent way to lift wages at least on an hourly basis even if they didn’t say no loss in wages, but Bernie’s way is better.
The one thing that I have learned is businesses would rather make a million dollars their way instead of a billion dollars our way, and they do not like to change.
I work at a glass factory. We work rotating shifts which means every week we are on a different shift. People come in tired which affects their ability to pack quality glass. Most can only handle the shift work for a year or two before quitting which means the company is always short-staffed.
The management knows that the shift work is an issue yet they don’t want to change it, because as our plant manager said. This is how it has always been. So they rather have customers sent back ware for bad quality and to shut down jobs. Then to get rid of the rotating shifts.
If this was the workweek literally EVERYONE would be employed because companies would have every position filled during every workable moment and it would take more people working to do that.
^*Anyone* ^*hiring* ^*remote* ^*positions?* ^😬
I switched to four 10s a while ago and never want to go back to a five day week.
I would be fine with this, ONLY if my pay goes from $21/hr x 40hrs to $26.25/hr x 32hrs in a week. And that instead of over 40 hours is overtime, over 32 hours would be overtime pay. I don’t think employers will be this generous.
No exception for salaried employees, I would hope?
I’d be down ngl after working in government for a year Mondays and Fridays are fake work days,
I’m all for three days weekends, but this law would fundamentally rewrite the way we operate public school calendars. As a teacher, I work a contractual amount of days (187), with averages of around 7.5 hours a day, not counting after-hour planning or grading, or occasionally mandatory faculty meetings.
A law like this would just mean that unless they work in provisions to reduce required contact totals for school employees (without a loss of income) then teacher summers would end up getting taken away so as to make up the difference while not exceeding the 32 hour a week limit. And remember, many teachers work extra over summers to offset their poor finances, so this is tantamount to a reduction in annual income.
But even with the argument that schools could just drop a day out every week, students receive credit based on the number of contact hours fulfilled for the courses they take. Thus, the accreditation process would also need to be modified, reducing how much time students are required to spend in school.
Now factor in the fact that schools are used as a kind of free daycare service by many parents. Suddenly parents are having to pay more for their children every week thanks to this plan. And as for kids who eat free breakfast, lunch, and dinner at school, they go hungry that day.
These are realities that need to be addressed. But if they can figure it out without screwing it up, then godspeed.
I really don’t get y’all opposed to this. I could get a job making more money if I wanted to, but why would I deal with the expanded hours and extra stress? If it were only 32 hours, though… I would take a 32 hour work week for a pay CUT in a heartbeat. Shit, I would take 20 hours for a pay cut if I could retain my health insurance.
Let’s start with the four day work week first then move to that. I love the four day work week with a passion. I work 2pm-12:30am Monday to Thursday and I’m still able to have an active social life with the crappy hours. If that were 5 8 hour shifts with Friday included I know damn well I’d be drained of PTO, miserable because I’d never get to see friends and family, feel rushed every weekend. Have an overall far worse quality of life.
Love it, but it ain’t going anywhere. Probably for the optics of the GOP voting against labor.
I know this isn’t going anywhere, but IF it does I worry that as an unintended consequence will be my employer will expect me to cram 45-50 hours of work into 32 instead of 40 as a salaried employee.
I was fortunate enough to work 32-hour weeks for about 4 months last year. 4 days per week, one extra day off. As a middle-aged guy, it was fucking awesome. Go Bernie, Go!
We’ve seen the invention of computing and the internet since 40 hours became the standard. It’s nuts that haven’t been able to shave off at least another 8 hours in the many decades since.
But what would the rich do if average people had an extra day of their life back to enjoy?!
How will that affect temp workers?
I get it, but we are already understaffed and underpaid, now we will have to speed up our output to make deadline?
This is years and years away from happening but introducing bills about it gets it into the conversation.
I mean, its a nice gesture, but how would this be enforced at all? This seems like step 4 or 5 after step 1 is increasing the Federal Minimum wage to livable standards.
my boss is all like “haha yeah” right now. I am “paid” for a 40 hour work week. I routinely work 50+ for no additional pay. They won’t care a bit what the government says the hours of a normal work week are, they’ll call it whatever, but everyone in my company will still be strapped to work unpaid overtime because that’s the expectation.
Let’s tackle what salary pay looks like for exempt employees next and stop taking advantage of salaried workers.
It’s going to happen, but not through this particular legislation. It’ll need a campaign behind it and an election mandate. Personally, my money is on Buttigieg in 4 years running a wildy popular campaign similar to Obamas and focused on things like this, and maybe even a “Worker’s Bill of Rights” that will address a lot of the bullshit we deal with in the modern workplace that’s not covered under current legislation (especially with the rise in working from home and advances in technology). At least I hope. Give people something to be excited for. Huge leaps forward that will have significant impacts on our lives (obviously in good ways) instead of all this incremental crap. If Trump goes down in flames and takes the old GOP with him, I think there can be a lot of good that comes out of that.
I’m sure this will fly through with bipartisan support
A 3 day weekend every week would be life changing.
Wish this would gain traction.
Science fiction pitches the future as a place where automation will allow for people to pursue art and leisure while machines work.
In reality the ruling class see the future where they get infinitely wealthier from automation and eventually have to wall themselves off from the slums and the people below them.
The one issue I don’t get is what about staffing? If let’s say a deli in a grocery store has five full time employees that work 32 hours instead of 40 hours a week and 5 part time employees working less than 32 hours a week. Who’s gonna do the extra work? The deli would have to hire more part timers or maybe even another full time person to make up the work but what if they can’t get people to hire or they can’t retain people?
I’d settle for a nation wide 9/80 schedule to start. Had that at my old job and loved it. Getting two long weekends a month was nice.
I sorta get this already, and it’s amazing.
This is the future and the way forward. Getting the ideas out there so we talk about about and consider them in the future more realistically is half the battle.
The standard 8 hour day/40 hour week already often so much more than that.
YOU DESERVE TO HAVE MORE TIME FOR YOUR OWN LIFE.
Sadly this not going to pass
So, Biden should run on this.
3 day weekends won’t be a difficult sell. 😀
Bernie farts in his hand and lifts it up… it blows away. About as effective as this bill.
I love Bernie
How does this work for a large corporation versus, say, a small, family owned restaurant?
Well, this will be great for everyone in an office, they’ll never let this happen in the trucking industry.
He is doing something not many others in american politics do-he reads and works to make our lives better. A large trial in the UK of the 32 work week has shown positive results in levels of productivity and enhancing workers lives. I don’t know that this legislation will have traction here because we don’t think forward like the rest of the developed world but imagine if it did and it could be signed under Biden?
This is silly. How would it work? Be enforced? It’s basically mandating a 20% increase in pay and costs. Is this for all businesses? How many small businesses would go out of business due to this?
I’m not against the idea of a 32 hour work week, I just don’t understand logistically how this is supposed to work.
More family time? More quality of life? More rest?
Wow, another opportunity for Bernie to promote himself while accomplishing nothing for his constituents or the country. What a guy.
America, F*ck yeah!
Productivity keeps going up but the pay value isn’t increasing to match. The balance has to come somewhere and if it comes in the form of working fewer hours for the same pay then so be it.
It would be interesting to see how that affects my job. I work in a steel mill where we have four crews that work 12 hour days on an alternating 4 day/3 day work week schedule.
We’d either get:
1: Everything stays the same except overtime starts at 32 hours instead of 40. (Most likely, IMO)
2. They hire and train four new crews so they can break the schedule up into three 8 hour shifts. (Not very likely, but it would be the most beneficial for everyone except payroll.)
3. They move to 8 hour shifts but shut down for 8 hours a day. (Almost a zero percent chance, but this would arguably be good from a maintenance perspective)
I already have a 32 hour workweek. Does this mean my boss would be forced to give me a raise? I suspect he’d just fire me instead.
I’d be thrilled to only work 40 hrs a week.
Bernie Sanders should have been president!!