Not once the Ukrainian drones find ~~it~~ the factories.
Edit: defining “it”.
Are these like newly built shells or refurbished ones from old Cold War stocks?
Is that a new industrial target I see Ukraine can take out after oil 👀
Eu must buy it for Ukraine
They had help from north korea stock piles too
Is this orc propaganda being pushed through western media or real numbers?
I don’t believe that number.
So could we
This is incorrect.
The 3 million/year for Russia is all types of heavy ammo – 152, 122, mortar shells, Grad and other rockets etc.
The 1.2 million/year for the US and EU is ONLY 155mm.
It’s not a good 1:1 comparison.
And you still don’t have potable running water in your house if you’re not one of the Beautiful People in Russia. SMH
Expect the worst scenario and prepare accordingly
This number is confirmed by whom? The kremlin?
That’s enough to allow them to fire ~350 rounds per hour every single day every month. Compare to the pittance of rounds the West has provided.
Sanctions might be slowing that down, but not nearly enough. It’s pretty lame to say that well, without sanctions, they’d be producing two or three times as many. Sanctions haven’t had any noticeable impact on the battlefield.
The West needs to move far beyond sanctions and dribbles of equipment and ammunition and get about providing Ukraine with the massive numbers of both needed to win the war. Sending in EU troops to provide logistical, medical, and administrative support to free Ukrainian forces to go to the front lines is immediately necessary.
While its forces are brave, brilliant, and effective, there’s not nearly enough to hold back the Russian tides. The losses incurred in and the failures of the summer offensive are a direct result of the West’s failure to [provide enough of everything in anything like a timely manner, allowing the Russian time to prepare strong defensive lines. That can’t be helped now, but the West can atone for its failures by stepping up the delivery of everything.
CNN pumping fake news – Russia wants this story spread as it conveys the sense in the West “we can’t out produce Russia so it is futile”. Logic clearly says that obtaining shells for North Korea is indicative of desperation. Additionally, this desperate state was reached after a year which says the manufacturing base of Russia is crap. My guess is the estimate is an order of magnitude off.
the crap about this cnn article is yes they do , but of all calibre’s of shell not just 152 thats about half of the number produced , but when the say the west is only producing blah blah amount , that is only 155 shells, so it looks like russia is out producing the west by 3 or 4 , , when in reality the gap is much smaller , the west is catching up ,russia cant produce more than they are , and western artillery and shells are better and more accurate so you need less anyway, the cnn article is deliberately misleading
Could you point out the locations of these production facilities so I can get a better drone photo
I doubt it
Presumably, accuracy matters too.
If you strike with half the error distance, it seems you can fire 4x fewer shells and still match the enemy.
This is where worn barrels, crew motivation, and communication would come into play.
At least, this is what I say from my armchair.
Europe needs to get it’s thumbs from up it’s arse and invest in ammo production toot sweet.
I’m European.
Slava Ukraini 🙏🇺🇦
True or false, would it hurt to compete and excellent. It certainly wouldn’t hurt Ukraine.
Doubt
This is what I am including in my next letters to congress. If we can’t all come together and beat them in this wtf are we doing???
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Not once the Ukrainian drones find ~~it~~ the factories.
Edit: defining “it”.
Are these like newly built shells or refurbished ones from old Cold War stocks?
Is that a new industrial target I see Ukraine can take out after oil 👀
Eu must buy it for Ukraine
They had help from north korea stock piles too
Is this orc propaganda being pushed through western media or real numbers?
I don’t believe that number.
So could we
This is incorrect.
The 3 million/year for Russia is all types of heavy ammo – 152, 122, mortar shells, Grad and other rockets etc.
The 1.2 million/year for the US and EU is ONLY 155mm.
It’s not a good 1:1 comparison.
And you still don’t have potable running water in your house if you’re not one of the Beautiful People in Russia. SMH
Expect the worst scenario and prepare accordingly
This number is confirmed by whom? The kremlin?
That’s enough to allow them to fire ~350 rounds per hour every single day every month. Compare to the pittance of rounds the West has provided.
Sanctions might be slowing that down, but not nearly enough. It’s pretty lame to say that well, without sanctions, they’d be producing two or three times as many. Sanctions haven’t had any noticeable impact on the battlefield.
The West needs to move far beyond sanctions and dribbles of equipment and ammunition and get about providing Ukraine with the massive numbers of both needed to win the war. Sending in EU troops to provide logistical, medical, and administrative support to free Ukrainian forces to go to the front lines is immediately necessary.
While its forces are brave, brilliant, and effective, there’s not nearly enough to hold back the Russian tides. The losses incurred in and the failures of the summer offensive are a direct result of the West’s failure to [provide enough of everything in anything like a timely manner, allowing the Russian time to prepare strong defensive lines. That can’t be helped now, but the West can atone for its failures by stepping up the delivery of everything.
CNN pumping fake news – Russia wants this story spread as it conveys the sense in the West “we can’t out produce Russia so it is futile”. Logic clearly says that obtaining shells for North Korea is indicative of desperation. Additionally, this desperate state was reached after a year which says the manufacturing base of Russia is crap. My guess is the estimate is an order of magnitude off.
the crap about this cnn article is yes they do , but of all calibre’s of shell not just 152 thats about half of the number produced , but when the say the west is only producing blah blah amount , that is only 155 shells, so it looks like russia is out producing the west by 3 or 4 , , when in reality the gap is much smaller , the west is catching up ,russia cant produce more than they are , and western artillery and shells are better and more accurate so you need less anyway, the cnn article is deliberately misleading
Could you point out the locations of these production facilities so I can get a better drone photo
I doubt it
Presumably, accuracy matters too.
If you strike with half the error distance, it seems you can fire 4x fewer shells and still match the enemy.
This is where worn barrels, crew motivation, and communication would come into play.
At least, this is what I say from my armchair.
Europe needs to get it’s thumbs from up it’s arse and invest in ammo production toot sweet.
I’m European.
Slava Ukraini 🙏🇺🇦
True or false, would it hurt to compete and excellent. It certainly wouldn’t hurt Ukraine.
Doubt
This is what I am including in my next letters to congress. If we can’t all come together and beat them in this wtf are we doing???